“Pakistan-China Military nexus an area of serious concern”: Antony

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  1. RPK

    RPK Indyakudimahan Senior Member

    Jun 29, 2009
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    “Pakistan-China Military nexus an area of serious concern”: Antony

    The Defence Minister AK Antony has said the nexus between China and Pakistan in the military sphere is of serious concern. Delivering the Presidential address at the 44th Foundation Day Celebrations of the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA) here today, Shri Antony said we have to carry out continuous appraisal of Chinese military capability. He hoped that China would reciprocate India’s trust-building initiatives. Shri Antony said Pakistan is yet to demonstrate willingness to take speedy action against terrorists and international criminals.

    Following is the extract of the Defence Minister’s address at the function:-

    “It is a real pleasure to be back amidst you for the 44th Foundation Day of the Institute. The Foundation Day is an occasion for both – reflection and introspection. I congratulate IDSA scholars for doing a good job over the past four-and-a-half decades.

    Since our last meeting, the quality and quantity of the work output has been enhanced. The research done at IDSA has been well-received by members of the strategic community for its content, objectivity and analysis. Thanks are also due to my colleagues on the Executive Council for their support for the Institute’s agenda for development. I express my thanks to the entire staff of IDSA. However, we cannot afford to be complacent and must continue to work with renewed vigour. We cannot say everything is perfect. There is always room for improvement.

    The various commentaries and reports on the website have gained wider acceptance and visibility. The attempt to activate your defence studies programme with the launch of the Journal of Defence Studies and through seminars on topical subjects like defence budget, defence acquisition and civil-military relations, is particularly welcome.

    I would like to congratulate the young winners of the IDSA debating Awards for their commendable performance. I once again congratulate you. You all are the future. A rising India needs bright, young thinkers like you. I am confident that participation of youth in debates on national security issues would encourage the youth to seriously pursue studies in related disciplines in the future. At the same time, through you all, I invite youth to join our Armed Forces.

    I felicitate Dr Harsh V Pant, the winner of the K Subrahmanyam Award, for his outstanding contribution to the field of strategic studies. I also congratulate Air Commodore Arjun Subramaniam, who has earned an Honourable Mention for his work in defence and security studies. It is gratifying that despite a demanding schedule, a serving Air Force officer has devoted time and energy to pen well-researched articles for prestigious defence journals. I am sure that such recognition would encourage more serving officers to follow suit. We need more officers with a broader vision of the new challenges confronting India’s security.

    Let me now focus on IDSA and our country’s defence and a few other related issues.

    India’s profile is growing in the international arena. Other nations are expecting more and more from us in meeting some common challenges. We have been making sincere and continuous efforts to resolve long outstanding issues in our region. We have always strived for peaceful relations with all our neighbours. Even with a vibrant democracy and a prospering economy, we cannot ignore the security calculus.

    Our Prime Minister’s willingness to resume the dialogue with Pakistan must be seen in this context. Pakistan must put an end to terror activities emanating from its soil. However, the terror infrastructure on the ground remains intact - and is actually thriving. Pakistan is yet to demonstrate any will to take speedy action against terrorists and international criminals. We need to closely monitor the developments in Pakistan.

    We are hopeful that China will reciprocate the initiatives aimed at mutual trust-building and understanding. The increasing nexus between China and Pakistan in military sphere remains an area of serious concern. We have to carry out continuous appraisals of Chinese military capabilities and shape our responses accordingly. At the same time, we need to be vigilant at all times.

    We have taken several steps for enhancing the capacity-building of our Armed Forces to meet new and varied challenges. However, we will remain steadfast in our pursuit of regional and global peace. It is here that a committed pool of strategic thinkers and policy analysts need to undertake quality research. We will need high-quality research papers and studies of on a wide array of subjects to counter information or misinformation campaigns. The role of organisations like IDSA in providing such qualitative inputs to assist policy formulation can never be underestimated.

    Over the past couple of years, we have also seen how issues of national security and foreign policy have arrived at the forefront of public debates. As public awareness of such issues grows, the debates will only gain currency. In a vibrant democracy like ours, such debates are both natural and healthy. So I welcome more and more thought-provoking speeches and articles. However, to enhance the quality of these debates, think tanks like IDSA will have to play a far more proactive role by undertaking a thorough research and wide dissemination of their findings. As one of the premier think tanks of the country, IDSA will have to shoulder the responsibility in this regard. You need to constantly ask yourself whether your work is making a significant contribution towards improving the quality of policy debates? As President of IDSA, I am not the judge. The others will have to say that you are doing good work. You also need to deliberate on whether the quality of work is respected by experts.

    In this context, I compliment the initiative taken by IDSA last year to produce valuable reports based on studies carried out by Task Forces of in-house scholars and outside experts on such burning issues as Climate Change and Space Security. I understand that similar Task Forces are also working on other issues like Water Security and Nuclear Disarmament. You must aim at an early finalization of these reports for the strategic community, as well as for the public. This is a vital requirement in a democratic polity, where governments have to take policy decisions based on informed opinions and at the same time, take adequate care of the sensitivities and preferences of citizens.

    I once again congratulate the IDSA family for the Foundation Day celebrations. I urge all of you to redouble your efforts to fulfil the vision of becoming an Institute of international repute”.
  3. Emperor

    Emperor Regular Member

    May 19, 2009
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    IMHO,there is no need to press the panic button now.
    India needs to beef up the forces all along the border.with 2 more mountain divisions coming up and newer air bases in NE India can cope up easily against any chinese aggression based on a purely conventional war.

    China wont be invading India before 2015. It is looking for itself to be completely stable and free from domestic democrazy mess. Before the Indian invasion has to happen, it needs to gain control of Taiwan which wont happen before I jump out of earth.
    In any future conventional war with China, the NE based and Ladakh based and himalayan region based forces can repel any attack and might walk easily onto tibet AR.

    But in order to counter both chinese and Pak nexus, All India needs to implement is beefing up its airforce to 60 squads to get a air dominance on both at the same time.

    IN can tackle both PLAN and PN given the strenght of current and future assets.IA will be ok with the artillery modernization and new inductions .
    while a decisive victory can only be played with the help of Airforce.
    current IAF strength is roughly 645 and will only bound to increase in future with new inductions and replacements It will reach 45 sqad as per proposed to take on a 2 front war.But for a decisive victory,we need 60 sqads to finish the war in no time.
    the current PLAF strength is
    around 1000 planes and roughly matches
    by Chinese Military Aviation by Hui Tong. He is considered on of the most reliable 3rd party sources (in English). Off-course neither are official.

    JH-7A - serial # 30x9x, 11x6x, 20x2x (Scroll down to the JH-7A part), known/Spotted Serial Nos.

    If PLA-NAF is excluded.... then the numbers drop further. again I'll exclude all earlier versions of J-7, J-8, Q-5, H-6.

    PLA-AF : Losses due to various reasons not counted. 24 per regiment (Sometimes 20)
    J-7E : 240 (10x2x, 10x4x, 10x5x, 20x0x, 20x5x, 21x5x, 30x2x, 40x1x, 41x8x, 60x8x)
    J-7G : 72 (10x8x, 20x3x, 40x8x)
    J-8H/G/F : 144 (11x2x, 40x8x, 6009x, 30x2x, 41x0x, 81x9x)
    Su-27SK : 78 (Batch-1 : 26, Batch-2 : 24, Batch-3 : 28)
    J-11/11A : 105 (4 batches)
    J-11B : 20 - 24? (10x2x)
    Su-30MKK : 78 (Batch-1 : 38, Batch-2 : 38)
    J-10 : 96? (50x5x, 10x4x, 10x3x, 10x2x)
    J-10S : ?? (Not sure about this)
    JH-7/7A : 60? (30x9x, 11x6x, 20x2x)
    Q-5L : 20 - 24? (10x6x)
    H-6G/H/M : 60? (40x7x, 18x9x, 20x1x)

    Surveillance type - KJ-2000 : 4, Y-8W (KJ-200) : 3, Y-8G : 4, Y-8T : 3, Y-8XZ : 1, Tu-154M/D : 4, Y-8CB : 3
    ( detailed by a neutral observer)
    and some odd 400 aircraft from PAF.

    Even if IAF has to go against the dual It will be 1400 Vs 645.Can hold a good defencive posture.

    when we have numbers with high quality and turn around rate, we dont have to panic.All I intend to say is,Indian armed forces need to co-ordinate with each other and pass on intel.
  4. qilaotou

    qilaotou Regular Member

    Oct 14, 2009
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    Let me help you
    Su-27SK+UBK : 70-, more than 6 lost
    J-11: 50, equivalent to 27SK
    11A : 55 various standards approaching 11B
    J-11B : 16 (by June 2009)
    Su-30MKK : 76
    J-10 : 150+
    J-10S : 20+
    JH-7A : 100+

    India has 105 MKI and 50-60 Mig 29 accountable. How could you manage with both PLAF and PAF?
  5. rockdog

    rockdog Guest

    Till middle of 2009, J-10 already passed 120.

    And there is official information, China imported 100 Su-30 (76 MKK, 24 MKK2)

    This estimation is really out of date. China currently producing around 60-80 fighters per year:

    This is an estimation for 2008 production data by Chinese military fans:
    J-10: 20-24
    JH-7A: 16-24
    J11B: 12-18
    J-8F: 12-18

    I don't know the speed about IAF, but i think recent years, India only receive around 10 Su30mik, am i right?

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