Pakistan, Caste and dilemma of quislings

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@LordOfTheUnderworlds which communities in Pakisatn mostly boast of Arab Persian or Tukiky ancestory
Pakhtuns heavily boosted on their persian ancestry ...baloch too probably,specially to show their contrast with Indian-Punjabis.
many Pakjabi however love to align themselves with Iran ,I encounter one who claimed that punjabis are closer to Iranian then Indian o_O Though it might possible that it's only internet punjabi .
 

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PTI chief Imran Khan married a witch (3rd wife)


This Niazi (same clan as general tiger niazi who surrendered in Bangladesh war) from Punjab claims to be Pashtun. A favorite of British, Pakistani and Indian media, his first wife was elite British Jewess Jemima Goldsmith. Second wife a gold digger British woman of Pakistani Pashtun origin Reham Khan.
Latest one is a female Pir (his 'spiritual guide'). Don't know about her but as a rule of thumb these pirs are high caste feudal lords/politicians etc that claim foreign origin.

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Imran khan also has an illegitimate daughter
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Zina (adultery /fornication) is a big sin in Islam.

The punishment for zina by a muhsan is a hundred lashes followed by stoning to death in public. Persons who are not muhsan (unmarried Muslim) are punished for zina with one hundred lashes in public, but their life is spared.
But it seems the rules only apply to poor people. Not for the elites.
 

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Looking Back at the Geopolitics Behind Pakistan’s Genocidal Split of 1971
BY AHSAN I. BUTT ON 28/12/2017


For example, during the 1960s, Bengal governor Monem Khan banned the songs of Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore from being played on Radio Pakistan because he felt that Bengali was a “non-Muslim” language. One of Yahya’s ministers admitted that the regime thought of the so-called “nonmartial” Bengalis as “Muslims converted from lower caste Hindus.” According to Ayub Khan’s autobiography, Bengalis, who “probably belong to the very original Indian races” had not known “real freedom or sovereignty” until the creation of Pakistan, before which “they have been in turn ruled either by the caste Hindus, Moghuls, Pathans or the British.” Most importantly, “they have been and still are under considerable Hindu cultural and linguistic influence.” Even the Awami League’s 1970 election win was dismissed as a product of the large Hindu minority in East Pakistan, despite it enjoying strong support from Bengali Muslims too.
Pakistani soldiers were themselves refreshingly honest about their motivations. In a famously-explosive article published by The Sunday Times in June 1971, one colonel was quoted as saying that:

“The Hindus had completely undermined the Muslim masses with their money… It had reached the point where Bengali culture was in fact Hindu culture, and East Pakistan was virtually under the control of the Marwari businessmen in Calcutta. We have to sort them out to restore the land to the people, and the people to their Faith.” A major was on the same page: “The people here may have Muslim names and call themselves Muslims. But they are Hindus at heart… Those who are left [after the operation] will be real Muslims. We will even teach them Urdu.”
 

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Caste-based Slavery in Pakistan


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Dalit women in Pakistan – denied a life in dignity and respect

For the first time, a report to a UN treaty body committee specifically addresses the situation of Dalit women in Pakistan. The report finds that these women are triple victims of discrimination – due to caste, gender and religion.

The report ‘SCHEDULED CASTE WOMEN IN PAKISTAN – Denied a life in dignity and respect’has been prepared by the Pakistan Dalit Solidarity Network in association with IDSN for the examination of Pakistan by the UN Committee on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)

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Rights violations of Dalit children in Bangladesh and Pakistan highlighted in reports to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC)

IDSN additional information on Dalit Children in Bangladesh August 2015 for the CRC review of Bangladesh taking place September 15-16 2015 (70th session) http://idsn.org/wp-content/uploads/...15-IDSN-input-to-CRC-Bangladesh-Sept-2015.pdf

IDSN and PDSN alternative report on Scheduled Caste Children in Pakistan July 2015 for the Pakistan Pre-Sessional Working Group review (List of Issues) taking place October 5-9 (72nd session) http://idsn.org/wp-content/uploads/...ildren-in-Pakistan-July-2015-CRC-Pakistan.pdf



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The human rights situation of ethnic, linguistic, religious minorities, scheduled castes Hindus and indigenous people in Pakistan

Religious minorities, nomads, indigenous people and scheduled castes in Pakistan are socially and physically excluded from the mainstream as they are compelled to live in segregated settlements.
Propaganda inciting discrimination is abundant, especially against scheduled castes and religious minorities. Due to their vulnerability, women belonging to ethnic, religious minorities and scheduled castes experience double discrimination as they are both discriminated on the basis of ethnic origin and gender.
A great majority of children are deprived of their cultural rights as there is no arrangement for imparting school level education in their mother tongue. Education policies and curriculum are laden with materials and initiatives based on intolerance to other religions. Recent attempts at reform have made little headway, and spending as a share of national output has fallen in the past five years. Vulnerable and marginalized groups of the population such as women, children, religious minorities, scheduled castes, and bonded labourers also make the majority of illiterate population within the rural districts.
Pakistan is among a few countries in the world where slavery still exists in the form of bonded labour. The majority of the bonded labour community belongs to marginalized and excluded groups such as and scheduled caste, Hindus, Christians and Muslim Sheikhs.
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Joint statement – Pakistan must act immediately to protect Dalits against forced disappearances, slavery and discrimination
Joint statement by the International Dalit Solidarity Network, Pakistan Dalit Solidarity Network, International Movement Against All Forms of Racism and Discrimination (IMADR), Minority Rights Group International, Anti-Slavery International and FORUM-ASIA.

13 November 2017

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UN CESCR Review: Pakistan neglect to acknowledge rights abuses against Dalits

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https://twitter.com/kaykay_1974/status/956914390015627269?s=17

https://twitter.com/QuaidPakista/status/956758994374205441?s=17

https://twitter.com/danishahsen/status/956855711354576896?s=17

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https://twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/957154638788222976?s=17
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^^^^ At first glance on twitter it seems Pakisatnis with surname 'Khan' are pissed off at movie whereas others have mixed reactions.

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2 Pakistani Reviews


Padmaavat is a flawed history lesson with great visuals
The makers of Padmaavat have shamelessly played into the narratives of extremists

SADAF HAIDER
The historical Khilji was like most medieval rulers of his time a tough, often cruel and ruthless man but he was not a savage. According to historical record he was a civilised man according to his time, a brave soldier and clever tactician who saved India from the Mongol hordes as many as six times.

The truth, however, would not fit in well with the current reactionary mood of India’s right-wing nationalists, who wish to retroactively rewrite history to suit their present.

The makers of Padmaavati have shamelessly played into the narratives of extremists, casting the Muslim Sultan of Delhi as a capricious barbarian who happily murders his way to power.
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A not-so-historical masterpiece

By RAHUL AIJAZ

Verdict: Padmaavat may not be the history lesson you expect, but its all-encompassing experience will overwhelm you and not leave you until the very end.

Rating: 4.5 out of 5.
 

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Warning :the writer is a Pakistani Muslim military officer (rtd)

When Emperors turned on Gurus


Parvez Mahmood
TFT Issue: 17 Nov 2017
Parvez Mahmood traces the origins of a feud between Sikhs and Muslims in Punjab

(Parvez Mahmood retired as a Group Captain from PAF...... )

The seeds of animosity between the two communities, Muslim and Sikh, that led to the eruption of such harrowing violence were planted three-and-a-half centuries earlier by an unfortunate episode during the unsuccessful rebellion of Prince Khusrau against his father, the newly enthroned Emperor Jahangir, and nourished by bloody events during the reign of Emperor Aurangzeb and later during the invasions of Ahmed Shah Abdali. As will be observed later in this article, the people of Punjab of all faiths had continued to live in peace with each other during those cataclysmic events in the 17th and 18th centuries and had suffered in equal measures at the hands of Turkic and Afghan invaders.
Many Jats were uneducated, superstitious, gullible, simple, hardworking souls whose frail social and semi-religious state rendered them susceptible to new spiritual appeals. Under the influence of saints from Central Asia and Iraq, the Jats of Punjab, who were nominally Hindus, started becoming nominal Muslims. The teachings of Guru Nanak, that included unity of God, service to humanity, rejection of caste system, adherence to truth, etc attracted both communities. Households, families and communities started becoming divided between three religions.
Repeat warning : writer is rtd Pakistani military officer...

Arjan Dev became Guru in 1581 after the death of his father Ram Das, the fourth Guru of the Sikhs. All Gurus before him were non-hereditary. Arjan Dev thus created a hereditary tradition that lasted until the death of the last Guru in 1708. His father superseded two of his elder sons to appoint his third son as his successor. His promotion to the exalted position at the age of 18 was therefore quite controversial and one of his brothers even rebelled against him to form a rival sect.
Jahangir’s reign started with revolt by his eldest son, Prince Khusrau, and Arjan Dev backed the wrong horse.
In essence a religious-political nexus, that has been the cause of so much bloodshed in history, also forms the basis of the centuries-old conflict between the Sikhs and the Muslims. The Guru’s martyrdom had far-reaching consequences. It transformed the Sikhs into religious soldiers. The course of history, therefore, changed irrevocably due to one fatally myopic action of Emperor Jahangir. It caused a breach that kept becoming wider and more violent until the militant character of Sikhism was formalised by Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 by the founding of the Khalsa movement as a response to the bigoted policies of Aurangzeb. The tactless handling of resurgent Sikhs by Mughal rulers post-Akbar and governors ensured that relations between the Muslim rulers and Sikhs remained bitter.
The Muslim rulers and their governors up to the end of the Mughal period were all of foreign origin and they exploited the population without regard to their religious orientation. Perhaps, then, for the Muslims of Punjab to express some sort of kinship to these rulers was misplaced.
Now starts the emotional Pakistani Punjabi wishful thinking......

It is therefore tragic that these communities clashed so violently during the final stages of the independence movement, resulting in mass migration and massacres. Had they showed maturity and far sightedness, they could have stayed together in a united Punjab. The events of 1984 in India, when once again the Darbar Sahib was violated and Sikhs were massacred, show that Sikhs once again made a bad choice.

Significant populations of non-Muslims in Punjab would have made Pakistan a pluralistic society and perhaps played a role in keeping the forces of religious extremism in check.
Without doubt, an enterprising Sikh community would have contributed much to the economy of the country. A united Punjab would have preserved the integrity of its river and irrigation network, apart from keeping Kashmir firmly with Pakistan.
 

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Syncretic Sadh Belo

Zulfiqar Ali Kalhoro
TFT Issue: 29 Dec 2017
Zulfiqar Ali Kalhoro takes us to a site where the spiritual imagery reflects Sindh’s traditions of tolerance

Sadh Belo had been home to many religious communities, be they ascetics, saints, sadhus, Naths or mahants. Some halted at the island for a temporary period and the others made it their permanent abode. Much before the arrival of Baba Bankhandi, Sado Belo was one of the sacred spaces of Naths who practiced austerities on the island. Bukkur and Rohri had many sacred spaces which are associated with Naths.....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nath

The island of Sadh Belo has always withstood the waters of the River Indus. It became famous in the British period when Baba Bankhandi arrived in Bukkur, in 1823. He made this island his permanent abode and began converting many to his faith. Baba Bankhandi was not a Hindu, but rather he was an Udasi. Udasipanth is believed to have been founded by Baba Srichand, the eldest son of Baba Guru Nanak....... Udasis follow the teachings of Baba Srichand. The udasis do not marry and their spiritual traditions continue through a guru-chela framework....... Like Naths, udasis also establish dhuni..........


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A depiction of Baba Bankhandi with devotees

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udasi
Apart from the temples, there are also Samadhis of Sadhus after whom this place is named, i.e. as Sadh Belo. These Samadhis are located near the temple of Jhulelal, which is believed to have been erected by Mukhi Devan, a rich Hindu merchant of Sukkur. As one enters into the mandir of Jhulelal, one finds the images of Jhulelal, who is shown standing on fish which is his vehicle, and Rama Pir, who is shown sitting on a horse. It is interesting – and I must say peculiar to Sindhi syncretic traditions – that the murti of the deity of Dalits and lower-caste Hindus is placed together with the murti of Jhulelal, the deity of upper-caste Hindus mainly belonging to Vaish (Vaishyas) class of the caste system.
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The darbar of Baba Bankhandi is one of the most impressive marble structures in Sindh. The building depicts both floral and figural representations of Hindu deities and Udasi saints......
 

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/the-puzzle-of-female-enrollment-in-pakistan/

another study in Pakistan found such effects to be most intense for girls of traditionally disadvantaged castes who would have to travel outside their caste enclave to attend schools, regardless of distance. That study showed that placing primary schools in low-caste hamlets increased enrollment twice as much as placing them in poor areas without taking caste composition into account.
 

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The History of the Jews in Europe during the Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries

In Russia, the large Jewish minority regarded itself as a nation and was less acculturated

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2. Acculturation

As mentioned, in Central Europe acculturation was regarded as a precondition for emancipation. Acculturation is a modern term. In the nineteenth century, the term assimilation was used, which implies a much more radical adjustment, even to the point of absorption. Jews were supposed to give up their national culture in order to become culturally German or French etc. Some supporters of assimilation assumed that the Jewish minority would eventually even accept Christianity and finally vanish by intermarriage. In con-trast to this, acculturation is a less radical and more academic term which implies that people accept a new culture or part of it, but do not give up completely their own traditions. This term describes more accurately what really happened in Western as well as—to a lesser degree—in Eastern European societies. Why did the question of acculturation become so important in Western Europe during emancipation?
Before emancipation Jews had traditionally been a separate nation with their own culture. They had not only their own religion, but their own communities, their own schools and occupations, and they dressed, wrote and spoke differently. This was regarded as a barrier to full citizenship in many modern nation States. Jews were expected to open up to the surrounding world and to leave their cultural ghetto to become individual Jewish citizens. This was a revolutionary change which most Jews in the West were eventually ready to accept. But in Poland and Russia the large Jewish population for the most part maintained their cultural traditions. A symbolic expression of this was their language, called Yiddish, which is written in Hebrew letters but derived from medieval German and was enriched with Hebrew and Polish vocabulary. In the eighteenth century, Yiddish had still been spoken by Jews all over Europe in an eastern and a western version. That made
connections possible between all of the European Jewish communities. In a certain respect, Jews in pre-modern times were a transnational European community. This became visible, for instance, in marriage networks or in the student bodies of the famous Talmud schools for advanced religious studies. But there never existed any religious or political umbrella organization for all these European Jewish communities. Each was governing itself independently by a community board whichw also hired a rabbi if the community could afford it.

Naturally there had been religious and cultural differences between Jews in Eastern and Western Europe, but they were not so important as long as all of European Jewry shared its traditional life and common culture. This ended in the second half of the eighteenth century whenwHaskala, the Jewish enlightenment, originated in Germany. It was this movement that first opened the Jewish mind to the culture of Europe. Moses Mendelssohn (1729-1786) in Berlin, himself an orthodox Jew, became the best known representative of the Haskala and advocated Jewish emancipation. He also translated the Hebrew bible into German in order to teach Jews the language of the surrounding culture. This translation was banned by Polish rabbis who felt the bible should only be read in the holy Hebrew language.

From now on cultural and religious differences between eastern and western Jews became much stronger and soon alienated them from each other. In the West, Jews were fast to embrace contemporary culture. While Mendelssohn had been combining Jewish and European culture, the next generation started to neglect Jewish traditions and advocated religious reforms in Judaism. They gave up speaking western Yiddish, learned less Hebrew and became culturally German. The Jewish religion, which had formerly dominated almost every aspect of their lives, was subjected to reforms in order to better adjust to modern life. This was the birth of liberal Judaism.

This cultural revolution that took place within only about two generations, shocked most Jews in Eastern Europe while a minority of them was attracted to it. But in Poland, Russia and Lithuania, the Haskala never took deeper roots. The poor masses continued their traditional life observing Jewish ritual law. The Tsarist government tried with little success to force them into modern life by founding Jewish schools with secular subjects in the curriculum. Eastern Jews kept speaking Yiddish and an important literature developed in this language. Still, at the end of the nineteenth century even here changes became visible. The extreme lack of work forced some Jews into the factories turning them into industrial workers. Here they encountered socialist ideas and union life. In 1897,Jews founded the “Bund”, the Federation of Jewish Workers from Lithuania, Russia and Poland. This organization acted as trade union and became part of the Russian Socialist Party. Besides this Jewish labour movement the Jewish national movement had its origin in Eastern Europe as well. Oppression by poverty and pogroms made many Jews look for a solution. Millions left for the United States. Because eastern Jews perceived themselves as a separate Jewish nation, some saw the solution in the return to Zion and the founding of a Jewish state.

In Western Europe, the Zionist movement faced strong opposition from most Jews. They had not only become acculturated but were by now patriotic citizens of their countries and in large part, became middle class. They felt threatened by Zionism because they had a lot to lose. They did not want their loyalty to their country to be questioned or to endanger their citizenship. Thus, in Western Europe the Zionist movement grew very slowly and mostly among the young. Very few western Jews left for Palestine before 1933.
In the above section, if you replaces Europe, Jews and Yiddish with India, Muslims and Urdu; you get interesting results.

Funny coincidence, both Israel and Pakistan were first nations in recent history created in name of religion; both created at the same time.
 

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http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...n-idiotic-musings.21193/page-523#post-1404008

It is their natural instinct.

Men might make stories of a great ancestor that came from central asia. But all those mard e momeens from steppes and arabia couldn't be riding their horses with their wives. Even if one were to believe the story of the great turk arab persian ancestor, most that settled would have married (kidnapped) local women.

So if given some freedom, Pakistani women need not carry the burden of identity crisis of Pakistani men on their nazuk shoulders.
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Bride Kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan - VICE

Bride kidnapping - Wikipedia

Bride Kidnapping in Central Asia by Ian Dedrickson April 27, 2015
 

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Systemic Sexual Violence and Abuse of Power in Sindh
BY AYESHA ASGHAR | JANUARY 6, 2013

The particular cases that I will be writing today are alarming as they are indicative of the systemic violence involved in addressing reported cases of sexual assault of minors in religious minority communities of Pakistan, especially in rural areas.....
It is believed that as many as 20 to 25 girls from the Hindu community in Sindh, Pakistan are abducted every month and converted forcibly. Amarnath Motumal, an advocate and council member of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan told The News in 2010:“The families of victims are scared to register cases against the influential perpetrators as death threats are issued to them in case they raise their voice. So, the victims choose to remain silent to save their lives.”
The following are recorded cases of rape and forced conversions. These girls were abducted, married off to Muslim men after being forced to convert. Their ages are anywhere from 13 to 18 years......
In recent cases of sexual assault of minors from December 2012, the survivor is a Bheel – not just Hindu, but a scheduled caste Hindu. “The rape of children from scheduled castes is very common in Sindh.‘Bheel’ are scheduled caste Hindus and unfortunately in rural Sindh, sexual assault of minor girls in their community is common due to their minority status,” explained Sachal Lakhwani, agriculturist from Sanghar, Sindh & grassroots Hindu rights activist.
Chandar Parkash, resident of Umerkot, expressed his anger saying, “In Sindh, two Pirs/dargahs (shrines) are famous for forced conversion of young Hindu girls via abduction and sexual assault. One is....

..... there are members of Parliament who are involved in facilitating such rapes by providing systemic protection to rapists through legal and political means.....
 

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Flowers, queens, and goons: unruly women in rural Pakistan

... The differential relationships (14) of Southern, Central, and Northern Punjab to colonial and post-independence centers of power have translated into different paths to modernization with profound implications for women's relationships to space, their economic status, and their access to healthcare, education, and the rule of law. (15) Reshaped by the colonial development of the canal-based irrigation system, Central Punjab, especially, became home to increasingly affluent politically active landlords and progressively poorer sharecroppers and small farmers. Post-independence, Central Punjab has continued to be at the center of Pakistani electoral politics, paradoxically characterized by a fragmentation of local community structures intensified through post-Partition population transfers, and an acute sense of caste-based loyalty. Despite the persistence of socioeconomic disparities, compared to both Southern and Northern Punjab, it is more "developed" with better roads, more functional schools, and more accessible basic healthcare (Chaudhry, 2009). Interestingly, however, it is the rain-fed Northern Punjab, where peoples' livelihoods are not mostly dependent on agriculture, and relatively free of feudal constraints, where poverty indicators seem to be the lowest (Arif and Ahmad, 2001). Southern Punjab remains the least developed part of Punjab, exemplifying the continuation of a colonial mode of control that predates the commercialization of agriculture in the 1800s: the landlords in Southern Punjab receive state patronage in exchange for keeping the masses in check (Chaudhry, 2008a).

The narrative and analysis in the next section illustrate how regional differences, and caste and class based hierarchies within the regions, demarcate the contours, scope, and consequences of women's deviance and unruliness.....
 

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Akbaruddin in trouble for hate speech
TNN | Dec 29, 2012,
HYDERABAD: Akbaruddin Owaisi, the firebrand leader of the Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM), was on Friday taken to court over his disparaging remarks against Hindus in a hate speech, the main content of which was that Muslims would need just 15 minutes without the police to show 100 crore Hindus who is more powerful.
In a complaint filed against the MIM legislator, an advocate said he had stumbled upon YouTube ......

Akbaruddin Owaisi makes shocking statement, says laws that destroy Muslims are made in Parliament, assemblies
By: FE Online July 3, 2017

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This kind of bluster, these type of local political leaders and this style of speech is not really unusual in certain muslim majority pockets often derogatorily (or even casually) referred to as 'mini Pakistan'.

Anyway about these Shia Owaisis, here in some thread there was mention of arab ancestry and @pmaitra said something about their semitic hooked nose. But some hindu extremists in these videos claim their great grandfather was Hindu Brahmin.

 

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^^^ these guys are from Hyderabad old city. They lead some party called MIM :

https://pakistanoverview.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/muhammad-bahadur-khan/

.........Muhammad Bahadur Khan (3 February 1905 – 25 June 1944), alias Saadi Khan. Titles Bahadur Yar Jung (Urdu: بہادر یار جنگ‎) and Quaid-e-Millath (Urdu: قائد ملت‎) was an Hyderabadi Muslim who argued for the formation of Muslim states in India during the British Occupation in the 1930s and 1940s.

Early life
He was born in 1905 to Nawab Nasib Yawar Jung and named Saadi Khan alias Muhammad Bahadur Khan. He was descended from the Kakazai Pashtun family which had come to Hyderabad during the reign of the Nizam Sikandar Jah (1903–29) and was granted a minor jagir of Lal Garhi, He was also a hereditary jamadar of the nazim-e-jamiat (commander of the Irregular Forces) of the Nizam.
His mother died barely seven days after his birth. He was therefore brought up by his maternal grandmother up to the age of 14 and thereafter by his paternal grandmother. He was educated at the Madarsa-e-Aliya and Darul-Uloom ( now City College Hyderabad ) and acquired proficiency in wrestling, swimming, marksmanship, andswordsmanship. He was also very fond of shikar. He was married at the age of 14 to Talmain Khatoon, an older cousin. Right from school days he used to excel in declamation and became a popular orator.
When Bahadur Khan inherited the jagir on the death of his father in 1923 he also inherited a debt of Rs.4.5 Lakhs. Within four years he set the affairs right and having cleared all the debt, doubled the income from his estate to Rs.40,000per annum.[1][self-published source?]
Career
Bahadur Yar Jung was a practical and realistic person.[2] Particularly, he wanted his own home state, Princely Hyderabad, to be separate from the rest of India as an Islamic state with Sharia Law in force, and led an organisation called Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, for the propagation of Islam. A friend and aide to Mohammed Iqbal and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, he was one of the most admired leaders of thePakistan Movement. In 1926 Bahadur Yar Jung was elected president of the Society of Mahdavis.In 1938 he was made president of Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen .The party has roots back to the days of the princely State of Hyderabad. It was founded and shaped by Nawab Mahmood Nawaz Khan Qiledar Golconda of Hyderabad State by the advice of His Highness Nawab Mir Osman Ali Khan the Nizam of Hyderabad and in the presence of Ulma-e-Mashaeqeen in 1927 as a pro-Nizam party. then it was only Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) and the first meeting was held in the house of Nawab Mahmood Nawaz Khan his house name was “Touheed Manzil” at Chowk-e-Aspan opposite asha talkies Qazipura Hyderabad. The MIM advocated the set up of a Muslim dominion rather than integration with India. In 1938 Bahadur Yar Jung was elected President of the MIM which had a cultural and religious manifesto soon acquired political complexion and became aligned with the Muslim League in British India. He soon rose to be the supreme and unquestioned leader of the MIM and imparted a new militancy to it.
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In November, 1930 a public meeting was held in the Victory Playground to celebrate the birthday of Prophet Muhammad. A young man was moving his audience to tears by his oration. Midway through his speech, there was a general commotion. Policemen on duty started blowing whistles nervously. Mir Osman Ali Khan, Nizam VII, had arrived unannounced to attend the meeting. The young speaker paused only for a while and then greeted the Nizam in an emotion-charged manner and referred him with these words:
Oh! Crowned slave of the Muhammad of Arabia, come,
let me tell thee about the style of governance of that emperor of both the spiritual and the corporeal worlds
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Mir Osman Ali Khan, Nizam VII, sat there completely mesmerized and like the thousands amongst the audience, washed by the flood of words coming from that young speaker, tears began to roll down from Mir Osman Ali Khan cheeks.[3] He asked some of the telling sentences of the speech to be repeated, as people say encore in mushairas (Urdu poetry conferences).[1][self-published source?]
A week later, on 25 November 1930, he received a firman. It read:
The royal personage was delighted to hear your sermon and on the auspicious occasion of his birthday is pleased to confer the title of Bahadur Yar Jung on you.[1]
When Jagirdars were not allowed to participate in politics. To overcome that constraint, Bahadur Yar Jung renounced his Jagir and Title of (Bahadur Yar Jung) in 1940 and intensified his activities. That added to his popularity, thus the people of erstwhile Hyderabad Deccan used to call him as Quaid-e-Millath.[1]
Oratory
Matched by very few, his oratory skills served as a catalyst to the independence struggle. A sample is presented here:
  • On the December 26, 1943, he delivered an important speech in the All India Muslim League Conference. In the first half of his speech he laid stress on the struggle for Pakistan. In the second half he talked about the creation of Pakistan. At the end he said,
“Muslims! Decisions made under pressure do not last for long. To-day we are not in need of a tree that blooms like a flower or in need of fruit that tastes sweet to our mouths. Instead, we are in the need of fine manure that dissolves in the soil and strengthens the roots. That will unite with the water and soil to produce beautiful flowers. That will destroy itself but will leave its scent and taste in the flowers. We are at present not in need of beautiful scenery that looks good to the eyes, but what we need are foundation stones that will bury themselves in the soil to make the building standing on them strong.”[4][dead link]
  • The first time he spoke at the Aligarh University‘s famous strachey Hall, he spoke till early morning 3 a.m, and still the audience showed no sign of restlessness or boredom and were demanding more from him such was his oratory skills. In 1942 at the leagues Allahabad session when Bahadur Yar Jung appealed for funds, no less than Rs 1,25,000 were contributed on the spot within minutes. In 1943 at the next Muslim League session at Delhi he spoke till early morning 4 a.m, in the last on his appeal for funds the large contingent of women in the audience gave away even their jewellery amounting to nearly ten lakhs. The Quaid-e-Millath was of course, overwhelmed by their generous response.
  • Once Syed Abul Ala Maududi wrote a letter to Bahadur Yar Jung seeking work that the Bahadur Yar Jung deems fit for the status of Mawdudi. In response Bahadur Yar Jung wrote back,
the time has come for the muslims not to wait for any allotment of work, instead we should by ourselves join the masses and start working in between them in the branch we are capable to handle, as no work is unfit for a genuine worker and make ourselves as bricks and get fixed where ever necessary and strengthen the dilapidating wall of the Muslim community.[5][self-published source?]
Struggle for Muslim nation
See also: Pakistan Movement
In 1926 he was elected president of the Society of Mahdavias and in 1927 he started the Society for the Propagation of Islam. In 1930 he was elected secretary of the Union of Jagirdars which had been established in 1892 but was moribund. He served in that capacity for four years and infused new life into it. He was fond of reading and knew Urdu, Arabic, Persian and English and had smattering of Telugu. Because of his oratorical skills he became immensely popular and also very close to the Muslim League leaders, Specially to Mohammed Ali Jinnah and Mohammed Iqbalwhose speeches he often interpreted from English into Urdu.[1]
To make matters absolutely sure, the demographic balance of the State had to be altered. Bahadur Yar Jung founded the Majlis-e-Tabligh-e-Islam in 1927 to counter the Arya Samaj movement in Hyderabad Deccan. Enlisted and trained a missionary corps, organized campaigns of tabligh and was instrumental in conversion of Hindus into Muslims – particularly those belonging to theuntouchable and backward classes in rural areas. He advised his band of missionary workers to aim not at the conversion of individuals but of whole groups. This work was done with particular zeal for three years and during that period he is credited with the conversion of 24,000 persons.[1]
In 1931, he performed Haj along with 82 persons and thereafter undertook a tour of the Islamic Countries of West Asia, and of Europe.[1][6]
In early 1935, The Muslims in India under the leadership of Nawab Bahadur Yar Jung of Hyderabad Deccan started campaigning for restoration of Caliphate. The response from the Arab world andTurkey was disappointing. Arabs were disintegrated in various kingdoms, Emirates and Turkey became a secular state.[7][dead link]
In 1938 he was elected president of the Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, a society with a cultural and religious manifesto. However, it soon acquired political complexion and became aligned theMuslim League in British India. He soon rose to be the supreme and unquestioned leader of the MIM and imparted a new militancy to it.[1]
Bahadur Yar Jung noted the peculiar political situation of Hyderabad State. It was a State with an overwhelming Hindu population (some 87%) and a Muslim ruler. With the winds of change blowing all over and the talk of democracy and the demands for a responsible government, the control of power was bound to pass from the ruling Muslim minority to the Hindu majority. To perpetuate the existing state of affairs, heavily weighted in favour of the Muslims, he therefore propounded an ingenious theory. The Nizam claimed that, as a ruler, he was sovereign. Louis XIV ofFrance had proclaimed in the 17th century L’etat!– c’est moi! (I am the State). In 1938, Bahadur Yar Jung enunciated the doctrine of Ana’ Al Malik, (We are sovereign). According to this theory, sovereignty did not vest in the ruler, but in the Muslim community. The Nizam was merely a symbol of that sovereignty. Every Muslim in the State thus became a participant and a sharer in sovereignty. It thus sought to make it the vested interest of every Muslim to protect his sovereignty and its symbol, the Nizam. It became the official doctrine of the MIM and Bahadur Yar Jung insisted that Hyderabad should be declared a Muslim State.[1][8]
Bahadur Yar Jung thus reduced the Nizam from the personification of sovereignty to its mere symbol. He often said things which caused the Nizam discomfiture, and, not unoften, even offence. Once when he thundered against the British presence and their direction of administration in the State, the Nizam was compelled by the British Resident to censure and to silence him and to be confined to his house for some time. The Jagirdars were not allowed to participate in politics. To overcome that constraint, Bahadur Yar Jung renounced his Jagir and Title in 1940 and intensified his activities.[1][3] At that very moment he announced that:
I was not made to sit on an official seat and look after the affairs of the state. The aim of my life is to go on streets and raise storms in the hearts of men[9]
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....... His sudden and unexpected death raised suspicion that he was poisoned allegedly at he instance of theNizam. But only whispers were heard. However, the Nizam joined the mammoth funeral procession the next morning. His early death changed the course of history in the Hyderabad State.[1]
After his death the Muslims mourned throughout the India. And his absence was acutely felt during the rest of the separation and formation of Pakistan, especially the 1945-46 general elections when the fate of Muslim state was hung in the balance. After the integration of Hyderabad with the Indian Union, the fist wave of immigrants from the state were committed enough to set up an Academy named after him in Karachi, Pakistan.
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Some Pakistanis have some kind of nostalgic feelings for Hyderabad Deccan.

http://www.criterion-quarterly.com/jinnah-the-nizam-of-hyderabad-a-tragic-liaison/

So the Nizam of Hyderabad provided financial support to Pakistan, wanted to accede to Pakistan and all that...

This Hyderabad was one of the largest princely states, Nizam was one of the richest people in world, Golconda (Hyderabad) was famous for its diamond mines etc etc.



But this Nizam was not the original ruler of Golconda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_State

Hyderabad State was founded by Mir Qamar-ud-din Khan who was the governor of Deccan under the Mughals from 1713 to 1721. In 1724, he once again resumed rule under the title of Asaf Jah. His other title Nizam ul-Mulk(Order of the Realm), became the title of his position "Nizam of Hyderabad". By the end of his rule, the Nizam had become independent from the Mughals, and had founded the Asaf Jahi dynasty.[10]

Following the decline of the Mughal power, the region of Deccan saw the rise of Maratha Empire. The Nizam himself saw many invasions by the Marathas in the 1720s, which resulted in the Nizam paying a regular tax (Chauth) to the Marathas. The major battles fought between the Marathas and the Nizam include Palkhed, Rakshasbhuvan, and Kharda, in all of which the Nizam lost.[11][12] Following the conquest of Deccan by Bajirao I and the imposition of chauth by him, Nizam remained a tributary of the Marathas for all intent and purposes.[13]

From 1778, a British resident and soldiers were installed in his dominions. In 1795, the Nizam lost some of his own territories to the Marathas. The territorial gains of the Nizam from Mysore as an ally of the British were ceded to the British to meet the cost of maintaining the British soldiers.....

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.. ...In.1, Nizam ʿĀlī Khan (Nizam Ali Khan Nizam-ul-Mulk (Asaf Jah II)) was forced to enter into an agreement that put Hyderabad under British protection. He was the first Indian prince to sign such an agreement. Consequently, Hyderabad was the senior-most (23-gun) salute state during the period of British India. The Crown retained the right to intervene in case of misrule.[10]

Hyderabad under Nizam Ali Khan(Asif Jah II) was a British ally in the second and third Maratha Wars (1803–05, 1817–19), and remained loyal to the British during the Indian Rebellion of 1857 (1857–58)...
Nizam is actually short form of the title 'Nizam il Mulk' given by Aurangzeb to his powerful general who was made Subedar of Deccan after Golkonda was captured form previous rulers by the Mughal forces, with the massacre that followed etc etc...

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The previous rulers were also Muslims. The Qutb Shahs of Golkonda.
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before all this there was one Bahamani sultanate in deccan and one Vijayanagar empire south of that.......
 
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Akbaruddin in trouble for hate speech
TNN | Dec 29, 2012,


Akbaruddin Owaisi makes shocking statement, says laws that destroy Muslims are made in Parliament, assemblies
By: FE Online July 3, 2017

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This kind of bluster, these type of local political leaders and this style of speech is not really unusual in certain muslim majority pockets often derogatorily (or even casually) referred to as 'mini Pakistan'.

Anyway about these Shia Owaisis, here in some thread there was mention of arab ancestry and @pmaitra said something about their semitic hooked nose. But some hindu extremists in these videos claim their great grandfather was Hindu Brahmin.

Hooked noses are very common among Deccan population. You can see it from Satavahana coins to Shivaji.
 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daulatabad,_Maharashtra
http://topbesttouristplaces.blogspot.in/2012/09/daulatabad-fort-aurangabad.html?m=1

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Daulatabad fort formerly called Devagiri.
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Alauddin Khalji's raid on Devagiri

"Alauddin's raid was the first successful Muslim invasion of Deccan."

Alauddin's raid was the first successful Muslim invasion of Deccan.[12][4] Instead of surrendering the loot from Devagiri to Sultan Jalaluddin, Alauddin took it to his residence in Kara. Later, he invited Jalaluddin to Kara and killed him there. He then proclaimed himself as the new Sultan.[13] In the 1300s, when Ramachandra stopped sending yearly tributes to Delhi, Alauddin sent a large army to subdue him. This second expedition to Devagiriresulted in Ramachandra becoming a vassal to Alauddin.[14]

Alauddin married Ramachandra's daughter Jhatyapali,
After this in this region it's all about Turkic sultanates for few centuries.

Some years after Khilji, Muhammad bin Tughlaq captured Devagiri from Yadav king and shifted his capital there for short period and then back to Delhi.
Muhammad bin Tughluq (also Prince Fakhr Malik, Jauna Khan, Ulugh Khan; died 20 March 1351) was the Sultan of Delhi from 1325 to 1351. He was the eldest son of Ghiyath al-Din Tughluq, the Turko-Indian[1]founder of the Tughluq dynasty. He was born in Kotla Tolay Khan in Multan.His wife was the daughter of the Raja of Dipalpur.[2] Ghiyas-ud-din sent the young Muhammad to the Deccanto campaign against king Prataparudra of the Kakatiya dynasty whose capital was at Warangal in 1321 and 1323.[3] Muhammad ascended to the Delhi throne upon his father's death in 1325.
As the eccentric Tughlaq shifted back the capital to Delhi one of his men rebelled and that started this Bahmani Sultanate.

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After decades of wars with contemporary Vijayanagar empire, finally Vijayanagar was destroyed.

Bahmani sultanate also scattered into multiple factions.
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After 1518 the sultanate broke up into five states: Nizamshahi of Ahmednagar, Qutubshahi of Golconda (Hydrabad), Baridshahi of Bidar, Imadshahi of Berar, Adilshahi of Bijapur. They are collectively known as the "Deccan Sultanates".
http://indiancoinsgks.blogspot.in/2014/12/brief-history-of-bahmani-sultanate-and.html?m=1
With all these sultanates at war with each other and a new player in north in form of Mughals (who had replaced Turkic sultanates in Delhi/Agra) it must have been a chaos, especially as much of the region is arid.

Marathas were serving these various sultans as mercenary warlords till Shivaji built his independent empire. ( Shivaji's father also served various sultans. A small coincidence - Shivaji's mother Jijabai's maternal family name was ''Jadhav' which is claimed to be modification of 'Yadav'. Last Hindu king in what is now Maharashtra was also called Yadav dynasty. Jijabai was looking after Shahaji's small Jagir around Pune as regent as Shahaji settled faraway in Bangaluru. Young Shivaji stayed with her while his older brother stayed with father. She lived long life. Shivaji was just 16-18years old when he took first fort. Jijabai died after his coronation)

So one of these sultanates formed after Bahmani sultanate had scattered, was the Qutb Shahi of Golkonda (with a new expanding city called Hyderabad at foothills of the Golkonda fort.)

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Shivaji defeated the powerful sultanate of Bijapur and the Qutb Shah of Golkonda accepted his alliance and paid him tribute. Shivaji also visited Golkonda.

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After Shivaji's death, Aurangzeb returned back to Deccan (as a younger prince (born in Malwa) he was kept far away from Agra/Delhi and was Mughal governor in Deccan for long time, had built walled city named after himself, Aurangabad, near Daulatabad i.e. Devagiri) and stayed there till his death. Mughal army captured Golkonda/Hyderabad. After Aurangzeb's death his Subhedar became independent and thus started reign of Nizam. Nizams managed to continue to be in power for long. They were defeated by Peshwas and paid tribute to them. Later they promptly joined British and hence managed to retain huge landmass in the princely state.

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So coming back to Bahmani sultanate, why the name?

Bahmani Sultanate

Ala-ud-Din Bahman Shah

After Muhammad bin Tughlaq returned to Delhi this Bahaman Shah revolted and thus started Bahmani Sultanate.

So who is this Bahaman Shah?

Ala-ud-Din Hasan Bahman Shah (r. 3 August 1347 – 11 February 1358), whose original name was Zafar Khan, was the founder of the Bahmani sultanate.
Bahmanid Sultanate was the first independent Muslim kingdom in South India.
Incidentally, he was a servant of a Brahmin astrologer named Gangu (Gangadhar Shastri Wabale) of Delhi. According to a popular legend narrated by Ferishta, he had a bestowed name of Hasan Gangu, but this is not corroborated by historians.
This smells fishy. Difficult to believe some Turk who later became Sultan, was slave of some Brahmin in Delhi and continued to call himself by his master's name even after becoming Sultan. Would have been more believable if someone claimed he was himself Gangadhar Shastri or his son or something. Or even something like this would sound more logical.
The name Bahmani probably came from the Brahmin Gangu who was Hasan’s master during the early days. Some believe it could have come from Hasan’s lineage tracing back to the Iranian hero Bahman.
http://www.ghumakkar.com/bidar-of-hasan-gangu-mahumd-gawan-and-barid-shahis/amp/
 

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