Pakistan approves transfer of Gwadar port from Singapore to China

[jamesvaikom]

It is wonderful.

China has taken over POK and they are taking over South Pakistan.

One wonders what they will call this area that was Pakistan.

They love changing names to Han stuff like they have done for Tibet and Xinjiang!

For China, Pakistan is Western Xinjiang.

 

[arnabmit]

Future of Pakistan... Xiakisian Autonomous Region

Anyway, jokes apart, Gwadar port going to China means Gilgit Baltistan is going to be forever lost for india... is MoD/GoI even concerned? The way things are going, GoI might as well declare LoC as IB...

 

[ice berg]

Pakistan has all potentials to become China's big problem or rather it has already become one.

Failure of Pakistan as a state would be a Chinese disaster.

If Talibans come to power, all Chinese supplied missiles and nuclear bombs will become a treat to Tibet and East Turkistan.

US bases in Pakistan are already a threat to China.

A Military defeat of Pakistan would be defeat of Chinese weapons and technology.

What more you want !!

So you are giving more reasons to keep Pakistan stabile then. Good kid.

The rest of your post dont make sense, as usual. How is US bases in Pakistan a threat to China? A lone base in a hostile territory is a threat for China?
So much time spend on a defence forum and THAT is what you can think of? ROFL

I dont see the correlation between downgraded export weapons and a "military defeat" of Pakistan.

They will toss nukes at India at the first sign of defeat. Good luck, kid.

 

[farhan_9909]

So you are giving more reasons to keep Pakistan stabile then. Good kid.

The rest of your post dont make sense, as usual. How is US bases in Pakistan a threat to China? A lone base in a hostile territory is a threat for China?
So much time spend on a defence forum and THAT is what you can think of? ROFL

I dont see the correlation between downgraded export weapons and a "military defeat" of Pakistan.

They will toss nukes at India at the first sign of defeat. Good luck, kid.

i don't know from where he got that usa has base in pakistan

while the fact is in pakistan there are only 247 american citizen(old list after the obl raid most of them deported back while of them 21 were from USA armed forces keeping an eye at Block 52 in shahbaz airbase..now that is also empty of them)

long time back they had shamsi airbase under them for drone strike which also is not under them now

they had base in pakistan in zia time

 

[farhan_9909]

i was just wondering once the work is done and china start delivery through gwadar.they must deploy their naval assets here as well and pakistan has also planned a naval base in gwadar and indian 100% of oilshipment is made through this wont in a state of war with either china or pak they can block indian oil supply be it from iran or any other arab country?

China trade with middle east alone is +200billions and if even 50% of this pass through gwadar.gwadar would still be a very busy port now add to this central asian countries

 

[captonjohn]

Indians remain 500m away from the loc and doesnt even come close
do you think india can launch rockets/smerch/pinaka into pakistan?

Don't divert the topic
and even if india did so the people of rahim yar khan without army support are enough to deter indian soldier 10km into india

Indians knows when to cross the border and when remain in our border. They are not stupid like your army guys who infiltrate LOC and kills Indian soldiers by setting up ambush. You are talking like this because you have not seen the time when Indian army crossed border in 1965 and 1971 hundreds of kilometer inside Pakistan then these 40 km does not stand anywhere. If army decides to attack then it can go to Islamabad too. Prey that day does not come.

 

[captonjohn]

Pakistan is Indias problem. You can keep her.

Even Pakistan's best friend China does not want Pakistan. "Khota sikka kai nahi chalta"

 

[captonjohn]

i was just wondering once the work is done and china start delivery through gwadar.they must deploy their naval assets here as well and pakistan has also planned a naval base in gwadar and indian 100% of oilshipment is made through this wont in a state of war with either china or pak they can block indian oil supply be it from iran or any other arab country?

China trade with middle east alone is +200billions and if even 50% of this pass through gwadar.gwadar would still be a very busy port now add to this central asian countries

Indian oil supply can not be blocked by Pakistan and China both easily. As per international rules a country can give her port only for peaceful purpose that is no military use can be done. If China station her naval ships in Gwadar then India would strongly oppose it in UN council. Also don't forget that Indian Navy is dominant in Indus ocean and we have USA's support too so when you will try to block Indian supply Indian navy would respond in the same manner and would dominate the area.

Even Chinese ships can reach Gwadar only by crossing indus ocean and Indian navy can block Chinese navy then how you would block us?

 

[captonjohn]

Everyone knows the actual reason behind this decision. Pakistan wants to secure Gwadar that she could not retain while 1971 war and resulted in decisive defeat by India. By giving it to China, Pakistan is making it safer because now China would protect that has more capable Navy than Pakistan. In case of war Indian navy would have to face Pakistan and Chinese navy both that would make it difficult to take Gwadar that was the reason of defeat for Pakistan.

This is a long game perfectly planned by some masterminds. It is a preparation of war against India.

 

[rock127]

Pakistan is Indias problem. You can keep her.

Mr HIGH IQ Chinese ... accept the reality before its raining terrorists in China

China Blames Pakistan-Trained Militants for Attack

 

[Blackwater]

i don't know from where he got that usa has base in pakistan

while the fact is in pakistan there are only 247 american citizen(old list after the obl raid most of them deported back while of them 21 were from USA armed forces keeping an eye at Block 52 in shahbaz airbase..now that is also empty of them)

long time back they had shamsi airbase under them for drone strike which also is not under them now

they had base in pakistan in zia time

shamsi was rented to UAE prince for hunting, american got it after Sep 11

 

[farhan_9909]

Indian oil supply can not be blocked by Pakistan and China both easily. As per international rules a country can give her port only for peaceful purpose that is no military use can be done. If China station her naval ships in Gwadar then India would strongly oppose it in UN council. Also don't forget that Indian Navy is dominant in Indus ocean and we have USA's support too so when you will try to block Indian supply Indian navy would respond in the same manner and would dominate the area.

Even Chinese ships can reach Gwadar only by crossing indus ocean and Indian navy can block Chinese navy then how you would block us?

in war everything is possible it doesnt matter whether it effect the UN rules or whatever

Beside this chinese ship wont pass through indian ocean because the shipment will be done b/w middle eastern countries and back to gwadar..which would be later supplied through either rail or other means of transport

while indian oil supply would be completely blocked by PN and PLAN naval ships.

and PLAN only 15% of fleet is more than enough for whole IN

other than this china has planned port in bangladesh and sri lanka also

 

[captonjohn]

in war everything is possible it doesnt matter whether it effect the UN rules or whatever

Beside this chinese ship wont pass through indian ocean because the shipment will be done b/w middle eastern countries and back to gwadar..which would be later supplied through either rail or other means of transport

while indian oil supply would be completely blocked by PN and PLAN naval ships.

and PLAN only 15% of fleet is more than enough for whole IN

other than this china has planned port in bangladesh and sri lanka also

Yes everything is possible in war is not fought based on possibilites but on solid and proven strategies. Pakistani navy is not able to block Indian oil supply and Chinese will have to come through indian ocean choke points where Indian Navy can easily stop them. If they take another route then they will have to cross through Panama canal that would not be possible because of American presence. Hence Chinese navy will have to go through south america and the they will be able to reach Indus ocean or Arabian sea. While travelling through such long route they will run out of supply and oil and will need supply buddy. Chinese navy would not be able to fight without proper fueling and supply and that is Pakistan going to give but how? Indian navy would block Gwadar before Chinese navy arrives to Arabian sea.

The sea lanes in the Indian Ocean are considered among the most strategically important in the world—according to the Journal of the Indian Ocean Region, more than 80 percent of the world's seaborne trade in oil transits through Indian Ocean choke points, with 40 percent passing through the Strait of Hormuz, 35 percent through the Strait of Malacca and 8 percent through the Bab el-Mandab Strait.

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How China is coming to add for Pakistan without passing through choke points in Indus ocean? Land option would be an alternative but can not replace sea trade completely. During war time you would need supply more frequently and then you'll be forced to take shipping route and here PN and PLAN has disadvantages.

Now talking about Chinease bases in Shri Lanka and Bangladesh, those are not big problem those base can be down within 24 hours if needed. And even Chinese also knows that fighting with Navy with India is not a good option hence they would always prefer to fight on land rather than sea.

One more thing you should know that World prefers India over China in many cases and in war time India would have world's support that would be big advantage for us. They won't be able to give us military add but they can block trade to Pakistan and China then how you would survive without supply?

Get some research buddy and then talk.

 

[rock127]

in war everything is possible it doesnt matter whether it effect the UN rules or whatever

Beside this chinese ship wont pass through indian ocean because the shipment will be done b/w middle eastern countries and back to gwadar..which would be later supplied through either rail or other means of transport

while indian oil supply would be completely blocked by PN and PLAN naval ships.
and PLAN only 15% of fleet is more than enough for whole IN

other than this china has planned port in bangladesh and sri lanka also

farhan the internet fanboy/girl ...........

 

[captonjohn]

This map is quite useful, as it clearly shows the strategic importance of Gilgit-Baltistan. It is through GB that any overland route connecting the Arabian Sea with China must pass. The question is: is the strategic importance of this route great enough that China would go to war against India, to prevent GB from falling into India's hands (GB is claimed by India as the Northern Areas of Jammu and Kashmir State) ?

Nobody fears from war buddy. India would take GB if needed.

 

[arnabmit]

No India will not. I hope they would, but they would not.

PLA presence in GB is a 2yr old and ever increasing threat. Now they have even shifted from tents to permanents encampments. Pak finalizing deals to lease GB to China for 50yrs. Port also going to them.

What has india done? Zero, Zilch, Nada!!! Maybe a docile letter of protest to UN and nothing more...

Hopeless... Just Hopeless!!!

MARK MY WORDS... Unless GoI changes its attitude, India will loose Kashmir and entire NE to Pak and China.

Pak and China despite their weird ways are atleast ferociously protective about their motherland. All GoI seems to be interested in is Land Philanthropism.

Nobody fears from war buddy. India would take GB if needed.

 

[captonjohn]

No India will not. I hope they would, but they would not.

PLA presence in GB is a 2yr old and ever increasing threat. Now they have even shifted from tents to permanents encampments. Pak finalizing deals to lease GB to China for 50yrs. Port also going to them.

What has india done? Zero, Zilch, Nada!!! Maybe a docile letter of protest to UN and nothing more...

Hopeless... Just Hopeless!!!

MARK MY WORDS... Unless GoI changes its attitude, India will loose Kashmir and entire NE to Pak and China.

Pak and China despite their weird ways are atleast ferociously protective about their motherland. All GoI seems to be interested in is Land Philanthropism.

You forgot one proverbs my friend "Sau sunaar ki, ek lohaar ki". May be our government has not done anything but when war breaks out then we will hit hard enough to teach everyone lesson who thinks we are weak.

 

[arnabmit]

How?

with 270 active 155x39 guns? with no war reserve ammo?

with no bullets for the INSAS rifles? the bayonet might work though...

with no decent armor or night vision for all infantry?

with 31 depleted squadrons of fighters?

with no aircraft carrier in current service? AFAIK INS Viraat is undergoing re-fitment currently...

with rusting lumbering BMP-2s?

with night-blind Ajeya?

with Bhishma with no war reserve ammo?

with our pathetic external intelligence?

enough said... India might be ready for war post 2020, but as of now we are just a Lohaar without a Hammer...

by then China would have annexed GB and would have lost a part of our motherland forever.

You forgot one proverbs my friend "Sau sunaar ki, ek lohaar ki". May be our government has not done anything but when war breaks out then we will hit hard enough to teach everyone lesson who thinks we are weak.

 

[Bhadra]

in war everything is possible it doesnt matter whether it effect the UN rules or whatever

Beside this chinese ship wont pass through indian ocean because the shipment will be done b/w middle eastern countries and back to gwadar..which would be later supplied through either rail or other means of transport

while indian oil supply would be completely blocked by PN and PLAN naval ships.

and PLAN only 15% of fleet is more than enough for whole IN

other than this china has planned port in bangladesh and sri lanka also

All dreams and nonsense.

All these happens if Pakistan remains.

Gwadar can only be uswfull if communication / road rail between Gwadar and Northern Areas remain.

What if it is captured by India?

Then both China and Pakistan will twidle their thumbs.

 

[captonjohn]

How?

with 270 active 155x39 guns? with no war reserve ammo?

with no bullets for the INSAS rifles? the bayonet might work though...

with no decent armor or night vision for all infantry?

with 31 depleted squadrons of fighters?

with no aircraft carrier in current service? AFAIK INS Viraat is undergoing re-fitment currently...

with rusting lumbering BMP-2s?

with night-blind Ajeya?

with Bhishma with no war reserve ammo?

with our pathetic external intelligence?

enough said... India might be ready for war post 2020, but as of now we are just a Lohaar without a Hammer...

by then China would have annexed GB and would have lost a part of our motherland forever.

With the army of more than 1.3 million soldiers may be under armed but well trained to handle any attack.
With better strategies because strategy decide the outcome of war.
with strong economy that can sustain war for longer period.
with young india that has more than 70% people young and fit for military service hence there would be no shortage of soldiers.
with our well trained air force that is counted in best forces in the world NOT in terms of equipments but in terms of skills and it has been seen by US air force during exercises.

with our modern navy that is equipped with more advanced weapons than army and air force. Currently no Pakistan nor China can defeat us.
with our commandos and operations behind the enemy lines that is very effective way to cripple enemy's defense.
with our new volunteer spys that would put their life in danger to get the secrets of enemy just like many people did in WW2 and succeeded.

Remember if you have strong will then you can over perform others who have more experience.

War is fought by weapons but won only by better strategies.