PAKFA & FGFA News and Discussions

[icecoolben]

It would truly be a bulk-ward against the possible success of j-xx program.the f-35 is quite expensive and v are barred industrial participation as per the jsf contract. To achieve qualitative superiority over both china and paki, we need the program. Also as we look at the us for weapons, transport aircraft, commercial business etc. A strategic tilt toward russia is required to balance our relation-ship with the us.

 

[Vladimir79]

AV! how about the AESA Radar front and rear ! India opted for twin seater version, where as the russians opted for the single seaters! The initial 3 protos will be single seaters...How about usage of conformal antennas? satcom links etc...

seen your previous posts on radar! compared to Phazotron ZHUK-AE, NIIP's IRBIS seems to be a clever design with gimablled PESA antenna array unit, which definetely covers more scan volume than ZHUL-AE!

What is the point of creating a stealth fighter without LPI radar? PESA shows up like a light bulb.

 

[Vladimir79]

PAK FAGA will be better than the F-22 raptor and F-35 for many reasons ..first if russian are able to develop plasma technology further then these aircraft are literally not visible to any radar ( plasma technology reduces rcs of the aircraft by 100 times)...and plus the weapons on raptor are old generation ...hence when pak faga come out then it also come with new generation BVR WVR missile plus we all know that whenever russians come with new aircraft the most impressive part of the aircraft is the airframe in which russians have enough exprience ...hence i think PAK FAGA will be better than the raptor they should name it " raptor killer " or raptoriski

PAK FA is not going to be getting complete plasma stealth to begin with. What is being worked on is called a plasma wing. What this provides is increased aerodynamics in all areas of flight by controlling flight surfaces through plasma fields. This will also provide RCS reduction on the wing and fueselage sections of the aerocraft. The final version of PAK FA is not going to have a fueselage like the F-22 or F-35 according to Vladimir Fortov, who is the world's leader in plasma technology.

 

[p2prada]

PAK FA is not going to be getting complete plasma stealth to begin with. What is being worked on is called a plasma wing. What this provides is increased aerodynamics in all areas of flight by controlling flight surfaces through plasma fields. This will also provide RCS reduction on the wing and fueselage sections of the aerocraft. The final version of PAK FA is not going to have a fueselage like the F-22 or F-35 according to Vladimir Fortov, who is the world's leader in plasma technology.

I doubt even an engine capable of 17.5 tons of thrust is capable of powering the plasma generator. Maybe a plasma envelope on the nose cone as mentioned by Andrey Lagarjkov would be a better option.

I would love to see how you guys manage to maintain a steady stream of stable plasma on to the wing surface at Mach speeds.

 

[Vladimir79]

guys there is no raptor killer the PAKFA is a good initiative and the f-22 and JSF both are equally good in their own rights lets not behave like the media fanboys and have logical discussions on how can pakfa benefit ? and what might be expected from it

Well there are big differences between the F-22 and F-35. F-35 has no supercruise, no thrust-vektor, and RCS is several times larger. The PAK FA is going to supercruise, thrust-vektor, and a better RCS than F-35, but none of which will be on par with F-22. On the other hand, F-35 has better AESA, better situational awareness and sensors than both F-22 and PAK FA. When it comes to sheer air superiority it is going to be hard to surpass F-22. Luckily for us, they stopped producing it.

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

India's first stealth fighter to fly soon

In less than four months from now, India's first stealth fighter will fly for the first time. It is called the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft or FGFA being developed in Russia by Sukhoi.

Video on NDTV

 

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^^ Check out the video!!

 

[NSG_Blackcats]

^^Rohit first few seconds are advertisement.

 

[Vladimir79]

I doubt even an engine capable of 17.5 tons of thrust is capable of powering the plasma generator. Maybe a plasma envelope on the nose cone as mentioned by Andrey Lagarjkov would be a better option.

I would love to see how you guys manage to maintain a steady stream of stable plasma on to the wing surface at Mach speeds.

Creating the electric discharge of ionised gas on the wing edges is not that difficult, controlling the magnetic field is.

 

[p2prada]

Stupid Video. It was just the jurno scoring brownie points for his career.

 

[1.44]

^^Rohit first few seconds are advertisement.

Those are the best

 

[p2prada]

Creating the electric discharge of ionised gas on the wing edges is not that difficult, controlling the magnetic field is.

How well can the ionized gas be stable at very high temperature at very high speeds. The gases will be mixing with the atmosphere very quickly. You could say the gas would simply disperse at those speeds. Will that not mean the gas generation speed must be greater than the gas disperses. This is considering the plasma is in a controlled magnetic field.

The natural form of plasma stays in its form only at low temperatures found at high altitudes.

 

[Vladimir79]

It would truly be a bulk-ward against the possible success of j-xx program.the f-35 is quite expensive and v are barred industrial participation as per the jsf contract. To achieve qualitative superiority over both china and paki, we need the program. Also as we look at the us for weapons, transport aircraft, commercial business etc. A strategic tilt toward russia is required to balance our relation-ship with the us.

I wouldn't be too worried about the JXX programme. PRC is having trouble copying the technologies in the J-11, for example we caught them stealing one of our powerpacks for the Su-27. If they can't copy that right, much less the engines, or complete a fighter without old Italian radar, they don't have much hope of creating a competitive fifth gen fighter in the next 20 years.

 

[p2prada]

I wouldn't be too worried about the JXX programme. PRC is having trouble copying the technologies in the J-11, for example we caught them stealing one of our powerpacks for the Su-27. If they can't copy that right, much less the engines, or complete a fighter without old Italian radar, they don't have much hope of creating a competitive fifth gen fighter in the next 20 years.

ROFL. Quite a revelation there sir.

Whatever happened to Chinese dreams of making a navalized version of the J-11. Have they achieved something good without Russian help so far?

 

[Vladimir79]

How well can the ionized gas be stable at very high temperature at very high speeds. The gases will be mixing with the atmosphere very quickly. You could say the gas would simply disperse at those speeds. Will that not mean the gas generation speed must be greater than the gas disperses. This is considering the plasma is in a controlled magnetic field.

The natural form of plasma stays in its form only at low temperatures found at high altitudes.

Plasma flow will be adjusted according to speed gained. Since only the leading edges must be covered, the expense is not so great. The flow of particles can be directed to follow the lines of the aerocraft with field manipulation. As for true plasma stealth, I don't see it anytime soon.

 

[Vladimir79]

ROFL. Quite a revelation there sir.

Whatever happened to Chinese dreams of making a navalized version of the J-11. Have they achieved something good without Russian help so far?

They have failed there too. They came crawling to us to buy Su-33s but we sent them away since they are intent on trying to copy our designs.

 

[p2prada]

They have failed there too. They came crawling to us to buy Su-33s but we sent them away since they are intent on trying to copy our designs.

They may have alternate plans. Like fielding Navalized J-10s or even buying Mig-29ks from Mig. The ailing corporation may find a breather in that deal. And the Russian Govt may give the go ahead if the Chinese are willing to buy atleast 40 Mig-29s.

Plasma flow will be adjusted according to speed gained. Since only the leading edges must be covered, the expense is not so great. The flow of particles can be directed to follow the lines of the aerocraft with field manipulation. As for true plasma stealth, I don't see it anytime soon.

The space required for the gas pipes and the power to deliver them will be astonoshingly high. Of course, we will not be able to find any answers in any text book. I am sure the scientists have already worked out those intricate details.

Sir, will the plasma field be of very small width (microscopic) or will the envelope be big enough to be seen with the naked eye or even the enemies OLS systems. Plasma frequency is certainly quite high when the plasma comes in contact with neutral electrons and could perhaps be measured.......by a long shot.

Nevertheless, will Russia develop a more conventional way of stealth(curved surfaces and RAM) first before embarking on the final version of PAKFA(plasma). Or can we expect the Plasma version ready in the immediate future.

 

[Vladimir79]

Those are the best

I don't mind the lovely (Christian?) girl at the start either.

 

[Vladimir79]

They may have alternate plans. Like fielding Navalized J-10s or even buying Mig-29ks from Mig. The ailing corporation may find a breather in that deal. And the Russian Govt may give the go ahead if the Chinese are willing to buy atleast 40 Mig-29s.

Maybe... the order has to be big enough to forgive past transgressions.

The space required for the gas pipes and the power to deliver them will be astonoshingly high. Of course, we will not be able to find any answers in any text book. I am sure the scientists have already worked out those intricate details.

Our leading expert says it is, so I believe.

Sir, will the plasma field be of very small width (microscopic) or will the envelope be big enough to be seen with the naked eye or even the enemies OLS systems. Plasma frequency is certainly quite high when the plasma comes in contact with neutral electrons and could perhaps be measured.......by a long shot.

It will be a dark blue field on the edge. OLS would have to be pretty damned good to see a discharge no more than a few centimetres wide.

Nevertheless, will Russia develop a more conventional way of stealth(curved surfaces and RAM) first before embarking on the final version of PAKFA(plasma). Or can we expect the Plasma version ready in the immediate future.

As I said, the fuselage will not be like Western stealth fighters, the rest will be composite materials and leading edges like theirs.

 

[IBRIS]

India's first stealth fighter to fly in 4 months

In less than four months from now, India's first stealth fighter will fly for the first time. It is called the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft or FGFA being developed in Russia by Sukhoi.

The FGFA is designed to have a top speed of approximately Mach 2, or twice the speed of sound.

It has the ability to supercruise or operate at speeds beyond the speed of sound without engaging systems such as afterburners which consume huge amounts of fuel.

The aircraft will be equipped with an electronically scanned array radar whose beams are electronically steered to detect targets with maximum accuracy.

India, which has partnered Russia in the development of multi-role fighter Sukhoi 30 MKI, is a key player in the FGFA project and is expected to pay a sizeable chunk of the $3 billion needed to fund development of the fighter.

"The prototype will take off this year," said Alexei Fedorov, president of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.

Several of the technologies being developed for the stealth fighter have evolved from those used in the Sukhoi 30 MKI.

Considered the most maneuverable fighter in the world, the Sukhoi 30 MKI uses thrust vectored engines which deflect the exhaust from its engines to extreme angles which enable the jet to pull off violent maneuvers like a flat spin where the jet literally spins around on its axis.

As new technological advancements are being developed for the stealth fighter, they will also find their way into the Sukhoi 30.
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India's first stealth fighter to fly in 4 months