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Where did you get that information from? That just doesn't look like a 5th gen cockpit. The SU-35, Mig-35, and Mig-29k cockpits look much more edvanced.

I would love if it looked like the Mig cockpit: http://i41.tinypic.com/20qxldt.jpg

EDIT i thought you meant PakFa, i guess it's okay for the T-50
What are you looking for in cockpit design? Compare it with Raptor's cockpit

F-22's cockpit



T-50's cockpit

 

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I think it's a tech demonstrator, 3 PakFa prototypes exist, i don't think the T-50 is one of them. I doubt the T-50 cockpit will reflect on the PakFa.
 

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DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

“The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

“The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

“The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.


The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.
 

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DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

“The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

“The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

“The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.


The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.

Ok. The source reported by the blog is authentic but requries subscription to view the message.

http://www.militarynews.ru/esearch.asp?swrd=fifth&=Go!

But, why make an announcement just to make another announcement later this week?
 

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Putin "saved" yet another plant: the creators of secret Russian fighter promised not to dismiss

At KnAAPO where secrecy created a Russian fifth generation fighter PAK FA, began reducing the workforce. Already released 80 people, it is possible that further optimization of the number - previously referred to the reduction of more than a thousand people.However, the negative glow of the factory management and workers able to pay visit to KnAAPO Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The factory told about the agreement between Putin and the head of AKH "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyanom, however, the document still has not been seen.In these circumstances, continuing the creation of a super secret PAK-FA, the first flight by the Prime Ivanov promises already this year.

The "Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation production merge them. Gagarin (KnAAPO included in AKH" Dry "), the reduction started on 3 June, laid off about 80 people - told the factory trade union representative Paul Arslanova.But according to him, formally, by the time some people went to the factory yourself: "Knowing that the reductions can not be avoided, some employees chose to do so in advance by writing a statement on the resignations." In this promise, that skilled workers, including those who collect PAK FA, reduction did not affect - mostly retirees KnAAPO fired.Would have dismissed, is not yet known.

However, at the plant believe that large-scale reductions KnAAPO rescued May visit Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who showed the most secret development of Russia in recent years - the fifth generation multipurpose fighter PAK FA - to create it in the shops KnAAPO. It can be assumed that seen but not yet the finished product impressed the Premier, and he promised the company new orders.

"After the visit of Vladimir Putin, we were told that he and Mikhail Pogosyan (Chapter aviaholdinga" Dry ", approx.) signed some agreement guaranteeing boot KnAAPO new products. However, this document has still not been seen. But there is a shift to increased rates tariff level, for which we fought all the time. Zavodskaya administration has decided to meet the team and from September will be made to recalculate it, "- said Paul Arslanov.

But as the case with construction of the PAC FA - are still unknown. At KnAAPO flatly refused to discuss this topic - it had a subscription to withhold information containing state secrets. As the correspondent of "New Region" secret PAK FA is indeed strictly protected - for several years in the media do not trickled no one photo of this development, and its layout has never publicly demonstrated. Now the special variety of countries and simple avialyubiteli burned with curiosity, and the last cheat the interpretation of the look of the car. Judging by the majority of images, almost all artists compare with the Russian aircraft F-22 Raptor - features "American" guessed almost all the outline.

Meanwhile, based on statements by government officials who promise to fly PAK FA in 2009, it can be assumed that the center's secret airplane is almost ready. This gives hope that the statement by Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov term sailplane PAK FA will be able to really try. However, whether there are working engines and avionics - the big question. At the same time aware that the draft budget-2009 funding for the development of the PAC FA were going to cut to 938.1 million rubles.


Source: Information Agency «New Region»
Published: 05.06.2009, 17:09
 

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:india:
http://sukhoi.org/news/smi/?id=3128
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18/01/2010
The rise in the air the fifth generation fighter will take place before the end of January

Interfax-AVN

Finalized the first flight of long-term aviation system Frontal Aviation (PAK FA), told Interfax-AVN on Monday a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

"The exact date of recovery in air the fifth generation fighter will be determined during this week. The very first flight is planned to meet before the end of January," - said the agency.

According to him, now at the airport of Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) conducted extensive ground testing of the first flight model of PAK FA.

"Already implemented a number of runs a fighter for the runway, during which the aircraft engines are tested at various operating modes, braking system, control system and a fighter, etc." - the source said.

According to him, "no failures during the runs was not, which gives hope that the timing of lifting fighter in the air will not be transferred."

Earlier, the president, chairman of United Aircraft Corporation Alexei Fedorov told that we are considering two options for the first flight of the fifth generation fighter. One - in Moscow, based on the Flight Research Institute named after Gromov, the second - in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. "There are pros and cons of one and the second option, however the process of preparing the first flight is moving fast enough" - he said.

Under development by Sukhoi Aviation Complex promising Frontal Aviation has a high intellectualization side. Characteristic features of the PAK FA are also multi-functionality (ability to solve problems defeat both air and ground targets in all weather and time of day); maneuverability, low visibility in the optical, infrared and radio wavelengths, the ability to take off and land using land runway 300 -400 meters.

According to prognoses, the fifth-generation combat aircraft will be able to make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air, have a qualitatively new electronics and maximum automation of the flight.

Among other qualities of combat aircraft - multi-use weapons, the possibility to simultaneously attack multiple air targets and ground targets with high precision weapons, powerful airborne defense, high efficiency and safety.
 

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21.01.10 ?????? ????? ????? ????????? ?? 29 ?????? - ??????? ???????
FIRST FLIGHT PAKFA HELD UNTIL 29 JANUARY

The magazine Asas ( «Wings, January 20, 2010) published an article that the first flight PAKFA inevitable and will be held in the near future.

Industry sources said Russia's defense industry, which first flew fighter Sukhoi T-50 (PAKFA) may occur in the period until next Friday, January 29
. :twizt:

In December 2009 the aircraft was delivered to the airfield KNAAPO for testing and has already conducted ground running, where the tested control system, brakes and other elements. Interestingly, the prototype was delivered to the KNAAPO to the Far East of Russia, although traditionally the first flights of prototype aircraft with the 30-ies of the past century, traditionally held on the test airfield in Zhukovsky near Moscow.

"Transfer" of the aircraft KNAAPO can be regarded as a desire to hide from the eyes of a prototype of the world press, at least during the first flights.

To date, despite numerous speculations on the appearance of a fighter, not a single reliable picture of T-50, not even the image model airplane
 

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sorry but whats there to pretend ! earlier i was not completely satisfied with the news that PAK FA would take a flight . But now i feel that it will soon be flying and i think that now is the time that we will all see PAK FA fly in the sky.I m thrilled to imagine it flying in the sky and then sir we will all be very proud and will be jumping with joy . so i m taking such keen interest in the latest news about pak fa and would like to keep every body informed that the time has come.............\:dfi-1::india:
 

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Somewhat off-topic but here's a montage of the Berkut and the flanker together by Sukhoi
 

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See the internal weapons bay built on the BERKUT test bed for the raptorski
 

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HELL YEAAAHHH :D


Konstantin Makienko (member of the Scientific-Expert Advisory Council of the State Duma Committee on Defence, and editor of Moscow Defence Brief) has Q&A with 'MK'.ru:

- It is said that this Thursday will be the first flight of Fifth-Generation Fighter. Meanwhile in the U.S. the prototype heavy fighter YF-22 took off back in 1991. Now the U.S. Air Force has more than a hundred front-line F-22s. Why are we so far behind the U.S.?

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rate of fifth-generation fighter development in both countries were generally comparable. The prototype aircraft developed by Russia's Mikoyan firm (product 1.44) was ready to fly in 1994-1995, but due to lack of financial resources has made two flights in 1999 alone, and the programme was discontinued.

In conditions of chronic under-funding of Russia's military-industrial complex, it was not possible to create such a complex weapons system, like fifth-generation fighter, equal to U.S. standards. In fact, the normal budget Financing project was open only in 2005-2006, but up to this point work was carried out mainly at Sukhoi's own expense. From this point of view, if we can assume that the real hard work on the PAK-FA programme began only in mid-decade.

In addition, by following the Americans we can minimize the conceptual and technical risks, to avoid the mistakes that were committed by the leader of the race. Also note that Russia remains the only country, except the United States, with a capability to create a fifth generation fighter.
In the World there'll probably be only three such states- the United States, Russia and China.

- Why was Sukhoi declared the winner of the 5th gen fighter contest when MiG, as you said, already had a flying prototype of this aircraft?

In 2002, the most important factor in choosing "Sukhoi" as the winner was the ability of the OKB to begin work on the PAK FA with the company's own funds. Sukhoi beat "MiG" not only in the financial sense, but also, most importantly, had a much more impressive capacity to innovate. But now in the United Aircraft Building Corporation will open prospects for subcontracting the PAK FA programme.

-The U.S., along with the heavyweight F-22, has created an easier and cheaper mass-produced fifth-generation fighter- F-35. Why has Russia gone towards the creation of a heavy machine, but not a cheap lightweight fighter?

This is quite justified. Russia and our partner on this project, India - are countries with vast territories, and in any case, we need a powerful machine with a big heavy capability and increased radius of action.

- It is considered that the distinctive features of a fifth generation fighter - are low profile RCS, radar with active phased array antenna, supersonic cruising speed and maneuverability. Will PAK FA have all these attributes?


Yes. The aerodynamic configuration of PAK FA is slightly more conservative compared to the F-22, but without a doubt, measures have been implemented on the aircraft to reduce it's visibility in all (not just radar) physical fields. For the PAK FA is being developed not just a radar with an active antenna, but an entire multi-purpose integrated radar system, which will contain five built-in antennas.


-When the plane finally actually appears, won't it will be "golden"? So expensive that it will not find buyers. What is your prediction: How many of these machines are the Russian and the Indian Air Forces planning to buy?


Based on the economic opportunities in Russia and the needs of its air force, we can assume that prior to 2025-2030 we should have to buy from between 150 to 200 fifth-generation fighters. Today, however, to accurately predict this, is of course, impossible, because the real economic situation for Russia in 2020 is unknown.

The Indian Air Force, I think, will order a minimum of 200-250 such aircraft, and India's the rate of economic growth remain at levels of the current decade, that is about 7-8%, we can hope for larger purchases.


Full article:

http://www.mk.ru/politics/interview/2010/01/26/418435-degustatsiya-suhogo.html
 

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Thanks for the article Murugan. btw he didn't confirm whether the maiden flight is scheduled for Thursday or not
 

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The first flight tests of the fighter of the fifth generation will pass on this week in Russia

In Russia there are two main arrogant projects of the armaments, for which the management of the country made a basic rate. These are sea-launched rocket “[Bulava]” and aircraft of the fifth generation, received conditional design designation T -50. On that which occurs with “The [bulavoy]”, it is known for all - its unsuccessful tests the entire world follows.


On the aircraft of the 5th generation known somewhat less. Entire connected with it is stored in the deepest secret, even its real appearance. On it into the latter several years audibly only the fact that it any minute now will take off. Until now these promises only were extended in the time. And here, as it became known “for MK”, on this week the aircraft nevertheless must finally rise into the sky…

The aircraft of the fifth generation its first flight must complete on this week in Komsomol'sk-na-Amur - the basic production area of firm “dry”, where it is done by T -50. On the eve of the flight “MK” it had a talk with the chief military expert in the region of armaments, the member of the Scientifically- expert council of the committee of the State Duma on defense, the editor of the periodical Of moscow Of defense Of brief Constantine [MAKIENKO].


- They indicate that the first flight of the Russian fighter of the fifth generation takes place on this Thursday. Meanwhile in the USA a similar prototype of heavy fighter F -22 took off still in 1991. Now in the arsenal by USAF (United States Air Force) it is already more than hundred combatant F -22. Why we thus did remain the USA?


- Before the collapse of the USSR the rates of the creation of the fighter of the fifth generation in both countries were as a whole compared. The prototype of the Russian machine of the development of [mikoyanovskoy] firm (article 1.44) was ready to flight in 1994-1995, but for lack of the financial resources it completed two flights only in 1999, and subsequently this program did not obtain continuation.


Under chronic conditions the underfinancing of Russian defense- industrial complex it is not possible to create this complex weapon system as the fighter of the fifth generation, equal with the USA rates. Actually the normal budget financing of project was opened only in 2005-2006, and to this moment of work they conducted mainly due to its own means “of dry”. From this point of view, assuming that real intensive work according to the program of the promising aviation complex of front aviation (PACK [FA]) began only in the middle of decade, its dynamics appears thus far very not bad.
Furthermore, movement after the Americans makes it possible to minimize conceptual and technical risks, to avoid the errors, which were perfected by the leader of race. I note also that Russia thus far remains the only, besides the USA, country, which creates the complex of the fifth generation. Probably, in the world such states there will be entire of tri- USA, Russia and China.


- Why by the conqueror of competition VVS on the creation of the aircraft of the 5th generation it did become “dry”, but not “the MiG”, which, as you did say, already did have the flying prototype of this aircraft?


- In 2002 the important factor in favor of the selection “of dry” was the ability this KB to begin works on THE PACK [FA] on its own means. “Dry” won “MiG” not only in financial sense, but also, most important, had much more imposing innovation potential. But now in the united aircraft construction corporation are opened the prospects for use in the program THE PACK [FA] of possibilities both KB.


- However “dry”, it seems, not too- that did justify the given to it advantage? To us they promised the first flight of prototype first 2008- m, then in 2009, but program constantly lagged behind the declared graph.


- The life cycle of the complex of the fifth generation will be 40-50 years, or 480-600 months. On this scale the delay into the pair or at least even in 12 months does not have fundamental value. The delays in the implementation of complex engineering designs - this is standard not only for Russia, but also for the USA, and European Countries. It suffices to recall, as complicatedly is born the plastic American dream Of boeing of 787 Dreamliner or European military transport aircraft A -400[m].


- IN the USA together with heavy F -22 is created the lighter and cheaper mass fighter of the fifth generation F -35. Why Russia is banal by means of creating of heavy machine, but not cheap lightweight fighter?


- This completely [opravdanno]. Russia and our partner in this project India - this of the country with the large territory, and powerful heavy machine with the large load and the increased radius of action is in any event necessary to us.


Furthermore, domestic equipment, radars and rockets are, as a rule, heavier and more dimensional than their western analogs; therefore for guaranteeing the same characteristics of complex as a whole it is necessary to have heavier platform. Finally, VVS of many countries of world encounter the problem of the scarcity of crew and prefer to have the limited quantity of fighters with the increased possibilities, but there are many simpler and cheaper machines.


Certainly, in the ideal would be preferably have in VVS RF two types of fighters - heavy and light. I think, if the economic possibilities of the country allow, the program of the creation of light machine will be also realized. However, in the first stage its role can play fighter “Su-35”.


- It is customary to assume that the distinguishing features of the fighter of the fifth generation - radar low observability, radar with the impulse phased cascade, cruising supersonic speed and super-maneuverability. Will possess PACK [FA] all these signs?


- Yes. Aerodynamic configuration PACK [FA] is somewhat more conservative in comparison with F -22, but, out of any doubt, in the machine package of measures for reduction in its distinctness in all (but not only radar) physical fields will be realized. For PACK [FA] is developed not simply radar with the impulse cascade, but the entire multifunctional integrated radio-electronic system, which will contain five built-in antennas.





- You all so beautifully describe, but, when you pose questions to military leaders, they, after casting down eyes, although reluctantly, they nevertheless recognize that with this aircraft there are still too many problems: there are questions to the armament, not all is smooth with the radar, and the main thing - there is no engine of the fifth generation. But without entire this some “[nedopyatoe]” generation is obtained…


- Actually, the prototype of the fighter of the fifth generation is now equipped with the engines of intermediate generation and does not bear radar with the impulse cascade. But this is the normal practice: first experiment T -10 (prototypes of aircraft “Su-27”) were also first equipped with the motors of the previous generation. This the cycle of the development of engine, as a rule, connected with the fact that exceeds the duration of works directly on the glider. Tests PACK [FA] will engage another [pyat]-[sem] of years, and by this time, I hope, the motor of the fifth generation will be created.


However, as far as radar is concerned, work on the creation of onboard radar system of the new generation actively moves. Certainly, technical risks exist always, and the hundred per-cent guarantee of success be it cannot, but it is necessary to note that in Russia the work on the creation of radar Afar moved already to the stage of flight tests by one of the stations, which was represented in the tender of Indian VVS. Yes even in principle the school of the design of radars in Russia is very strong. In this region unpleasant surprises are improbable.


Finally, the complex of onboard equipment, close one in their appearance to the fifth generation, are intended to realize already on the intermediate fighter “Su-35”. Generally parallel development PACK [FA] and “Su-35” will make it possible to perfect separate elements for the fighter of the fifth generation on “Su-35”, and subsequently these technical solutions can be will be used, also, for the modernization of very “Su-35”.


As far as rockets are concerned, this is the very closed theme. It is reliably known that the work on the creation of the rockets, which can be placed not only during the external suspensions, but also in the internal sections of fighter, in Russia is conducted. It is possible to also confidently indicate that also industry, and VVS, and even the high political management of the country (military technical competence of which it is not excessive) they realize that rocket weapon together with onboard equipment - these are the key elements of the effectiveness of contemporary and all the more of promising fighters.


- Well it is good, but will not prove to be so that when this aircraft finally actually it will appear, then it will prove to be “gold”? It will be so expensive, which for it will not be located buyers. Your forecast: how many such machines they do plan to stock up Russian and Indian VVS?


- On the basis of the economic possibilities of Russia and the needs of its VVS, it is possible to assume that in the period up to 2025-2030 it should be stocked up from 150 to 200 fighters of the fifth generation. But it is not possible to today accurately forecast this, of course, since it is unknown, what will be real economic situation in Russia in 2020.


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