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    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog

    Maxim Pyadushkin writes: It looks like the Indian Air Force will initially get the same PAK FA fifth-generation fighter as their Russian colleagues. Sukhoi general director Mikhail Pogosyan said Thursday that he would seek to unify the Russian and Indian requirements for the new aircraft. “The basic version of the fighter will be common”, he explained. “The difference will be only in software”.


    India agreed to join the PAK FA program in 2007. According to the bilateral agreement, the development of the modification for the Indian Air Force will be split 50:50 between Sukhoi and India’s HAL. But now it looks like Pogosyan doesn’t want to waste efforts and time by developing a special Indian version at this stage, but to focus on rolling out the first prototype by August this year, as already promised by top Russian government and military officials.

    Pogosyan also mentioned that the airframe is almost ready, while more time is needed to finish the radar. This supports the idea that the first PAK FA will be a very basic prototype, and more time will be required to define and test the production configuration.

    As Pogosyan said, the Indian requirements can be taken into account later, while HAL’s 50% share in the development of the IAF modification can be realized in the more distant future – including the creation of two-seat and ship-based variants.
     
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    weren't Russians going to get the one seat version and were getiing a special 2 seat design?
     
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    Sukhoi PAK FA Updates: First Prototype by August 2009, Special Software for Indian's

    Sukhoi PAK FA Updates: First Prototype by August 2009, Special Software for Indian Versions


    Indian Air Force will initially get the same PAK FA fifth-generation fighter as their Russian colleagues. Sukhoi general director Mikhail Pogosyan said Thursday that he would seek to unify the Russian and Indian requirements for the new aircraft. "The basic version of the fighter will be common", he explained. "The difference will be only in software".

    India agreed to join the PAK FA program in 2007. According to the bilateral agreement, the development of the modification for the Indian Air Force will be split 50:50 between Sukhoi and India's HAL. But now it looks like Pogosyan doesn't want to waste efforts and time by developing a special Indian version at this stage, but to focus on rolling out the first prototype by August this year, as already promised by top Russian government and military officials.

    Pogosyan also mentioned that the airframe is almost ready, while more time is needed to finish the radar. This supports the idea that the first PAK FA will be a very basic prototype, and more time will be required to define and test the production configuration.

    As Pogosyan said, the Indian requirements can be taken into account later, while HAL's 50% share in the development of the IAF modification can be realized in the more distant future – including the creation of two-seat and ship-based variants.

    http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4254
     
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    Sukhoi PAK FA Updates: First Prototype by August 2009, Special Software for Indian Ve

    http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4254

    Sukhoi PAK FA Updates: First Prototype by August 2009, Special Software for Indian Versions

    Indian Air Force will initially get the same PAK FA fifth-generation fighter as their Russian colleagues. Sukhoi general director Mikhail Pogosyan said Thursday that he would seek to unify the Russian and Indian requirements for the new aircraft. "The basic version of the fighter will be common", he explained. "The difference will be only in software".

    India agreed to join the PAK FA program in 2007. According to the bilateral agreement, the development of the modification for the Indian Air Force will be split 50:50 between Sukhoi and India's HAL. But now it looks like Pogosyan doesn't want to waste efforts and time by developing a special Indian version at this stage, but to focus on rolling out the first prototype by August this year, as already promised by top Russian government and military officials.

    Pogosyan also mentioned that the airframe is almost ready, while more time is needed to finish the radar. This supports the idea that the first PAK FA will be a very basic prototype, and more time will be required to define and test the production configuration.

    As Pogosyan said, the Indian requirements can be taken into account later, while HAL's 50% share in the development of the IAF modification can be realized in the more distant future – including the creation of two-seat and ship-based variants.
     
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    pakfa to have naval version for carriers.

    a carrier-borne version of the fifth-generation fighter, namely, the Prospective (Promising) Aircraft System of the Frontline Aviation (PAK FA) now being developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau, remains the best possible option so far.

    The heavy-duty PAK FA fighter will probably have a standard take-off weight of about 30 metric tons and will be fitted with 117-S power-plants developing a thrust of 14.5 metric tons and even more powerful turbines in the future.

    The new plane can be used as a multi-role fighter and will also be able to fly strike and air-defense missions.



    full article here:-http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20090303/120404573.html
     
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    Nice Pics Atul:vehicle_plane:
     
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    Nice pics indeed.
    Damn Russians are so hush hush about this project.
    I wanna see what the real thing will look like. No speculations.

    I would love it if it had forward swept wings like the Su 47 Berkut.
    However, if im not wrong, some official had stated that the Su-47 design would not be utilized [namely the wings design]?


    Perhaps Invincible could shed more light. you seem to know a lot about this.
     
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    ST the whole issue is beyond the knowledge of the common man,there are conflicting reports in the media but as per the official statement refer here
    http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?t=6&page=2 post 11 for the parameters on which the 3 prototypes are being built.

    thnx
     
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    PAK-FA proposed designs

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    Great. So, when will the PAK-FA prototypes fly??? And, what about FGFA since it is to be a derivative of the PAK-FA project???
     
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    probable date of the first flight for pakfa is 19 august 2009 at MAKS 2009 moscow airshow.

    its not confirmed remember.
     
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    Dear Lethal ,

    The First Snap, looks more like the MIG-1.44.
     
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    atul the first one is a computer generated image its not mig1.44
    i have original picture of mig 1.44 and 1.42 will post it.

    thnx
     
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    I Firmly believe the SU-47 Berkut design will be incorporated in the PAK-FA,

    the Reason being the + points the Russians proved with the experimental design, For high manoeuvrability and high angles of attack.

    The Berkut proved to be the testbed for developing fifth-generation technologies, It was the Berkut, Probably that got Sukhoi the FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) Order & not the MIG-1.44 ( This is my Conclusion, Correct me if i am Wrong )
     
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    atul russia is developing 2types 5th gen planes the sukhoi pakfa and the mig LMFS work on paper has already started on the mig project to commence on 2016 once pakfa is finished and funds for the mig project has already being promished.

    so its not that sukhoi got the only deal for 5th gen plane it got the goahead because the company was in a better state than mig at that point of time.
    atleast the pakfa is not having the forward swept wings like the berkut thats confirmed also there will be internal weapons bay like the raptor so as per design it will be different.
     
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    The first pic looks more like the fighter bases on the M-ATF program between Russia and Iran.

    here are some pictures......
    View attachment 135
    View attachment 136
    View attachment 137

    this aircraft was also referred to as the MiG-I-2000 or Vityaz2000

    ...Oh both the first and the second pics are the artistic impression of the same concept.
     
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    Su-PAKFA a Russian Stealth Fighter

    http://www.defenceaviation.com/2008/01/su-pakfa-russian-stealth-fighter.html



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    The Sukhoi PAK FA (or PAK-FA) is a fifth-generation fighter which is being developed by Russia. PAK FAstands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации in Russian) which roughly means Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter. It is being developed by a consortium of companies spearheaded by Sukhoi OKB. Sukhoi's internal project codename is T-50. The PAK FA is intended to replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker in the Russian Air Force. It is scheduled to have its first flight in 2009 and enter service with the Russian Air Force subsequently. It is designed to be comparable to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

    The aircraft will feature a long combat radius, supersonic cruise speed, low radar cross section, super maneuverability, and the ability to make short takeoffs and landings. In accordance with the technical requirements, the PAK FA will have a normal takeoff weight of 20 tons, which is close to the average normal takeoff weight of the two American airplanes, the F-35 JSF (17.2 tons) and the F-22 (24 tons). The new fighter (a medium version) will have a traditional wing form, though the experience gathered as a result of Berkut's test flights will be taken in consideration when designing the fighter. It is supposed that it will be created using the Stealth technology, and equipped with two AL-41F engines by the Saturn scientific and industrial enterprise, a radar system with an active phased array (to all appearances, it will be produced by the Fazatron-NIIR corporation), and high-precision weapons.

    In early 2002 Sukhoi was chosen as prime contractor for the planned Russian fifth-generation fighter is called the PAK FA [ Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces]. This intermediate class twin-engined fighter will be larger than a MiG-29 and smaller than a Su-27. The new fighter is intended to be about the same size as the US F-35 JSF, with a primary air superiority mission and ground attack and reconnaissance being secondary missions.

    The aircraft will feature a long combat radius, supersonic cruise speed, low radar cross section, supermaneuverability, and the ability to make short takeoffs and landings. In accordance with the technical requirements, the PAK FA will have a normal takeoff weight of 20 tons, which is close to the average normal takeoff weight of the two American airplanes, the F-35 JSF (17.2 tons) and the F-22 (24 tons). The new fighter (a medium version) will have a traditional wing form, though the experience gathered as a result of Berkut's test flights will be taken in consideration when designing the fighter. It is supposed that it will be created using the Stealth technology, and equipped with two AL-41F engines by the Saturn scientific and industrial enterprise, a radar system with an active phased array (to all appearances, it will be produced by the Fazatron-NIIR corporation), and high-precision weapons.

    The government commission decided on 26 April 2002 to choose the Sukhoi holding company as the head company to develop and produce the fighter of the fifth generation. The prototype of the PAK FA would take-off in 2006 and that in 2010 the aircraft would be ready for series production. The first deliveries, both for Russian armed forces and for export, would be possible in 2011-12.

    The new airplane is being proposed to be brought from the concept design to a prototype series in less than 9 years. Historically, fourth and fifth generation fighters have not been created in less than 15 years. The Russian government has promised to allocate 1.5 billion dollars for the PAK FA through 2010. But the Russian Air Force is receiving less than 200 million dollars a year during this period, and will spend it primarily on other needs.

    The prices and sources of funding will determine the destiny of the whole program. To date officials agree that the program will cost $1.5 billion. However, $1.5 billion is the sum needed for creating a new generation of avionics for the fighter (considering the fact that pre-production models of the phased array have already been produced, and will soon be tested). Completion of the AL-41F engine (present readiness is 30 percent) will require, in the opinion of the boss of Rosaviakosmos, 600 - 800 million dollars. Saturn said that launching of production of the AL-41F engine would take $150 million. An improved version of the AL-31F will be used on the aircraft originally (though it is not clear how these heavy motors are reconciled with the concept of a 20-ton fighter). The upgrade of these engines will require expenditures of 1.2-1.5 billion dollars. And finally, desi gners will have to spend several hundred millions of dollars on creating a new airframe.

    State financing will cover not more than 20-22 percent of the cost of the development of the PAK FA. It will thus be nece ssary to draw extra budgetary sources of funding, lending the development program a principle of openness for international cooperation. In the opinion of experts, export income, if it is taken from the plants, can provide not more than 1 billion dollars. It is maintained that the insufficient amounts can be received from foreign partners.

    The plane's development will be conducted with a view of achieving a reasonable compromise between its cost and com bat efficiency, and take into account the market demand. exports sales of the new warplane must reach 500 to 600 fighters at a price of $35 to $40 million each to make production of the new aircraft profitable.

    According to some reports, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop this fifth-generation fighter, under a scheduled with entry into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between the two countries.

    There is little chance that Russia will have fifth-generation pursuit planes of its own. Development and constr uction of a fifth-generation fighter would require about $20 billion dollars, and as of early 2004 it was unlikely that the government will appropriate financing of this scale. "The problem is that economic and military authorities in this country live in parallel spaces and have no comm on approach to problems," according to Deputy Director of the analytical department of the Political and Military Analysis Institute Alexander Khramchikhin.

    General characteristics
    * Crew: 1 (pilot)
    * Length: 22.0 m (72 ft 2 in)
    * Wingspan: 14.2 m (46 ft 7 in)
    * Height: 6.05 m (19 ft 10 in)
    * Wing area: 78.8 m² (848 ft²)
    * Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,786 lb)
    * Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
    * Useful load: 7,500 kg (16,535 lb)
    * Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,571 lb)
    * Powerplant: 2× Saturn-Lyulka AL-41F turbofan
    o Dry thrust: 9,800 kgf (21,605 lbf) each
    o Thrust with afterburner: 15,500 kgf (34,172 lbf) each

    Performance
    * Maximum speed: Mach 2.5 at altitude (2,527 km/h, 1,586 mph)
    * g-limits: +10 to +11 g (+98.1 to +107.9 m/s², +321.7 to +353.9 ft/s²)
    * Cruise speed: 1,300 km/h (807.8 mph)
    * Ferry range: 4,000 to 5,500 km (2,485 to 3,418 mi)
    * Service ceiling 20,000 m (65,617 ft)
    * Rate of climb: 350 m/s (68,898 ft/min)
    * Wing loading: 470 kg/m² (96.3 lb/ft²)
    * Thrust/weight: 0.84 (dry thrust)
    * Minimum thrust/weight:
    o With afterburner: 1.19
    * Runway length requirement: 350 m (1,148 ft)
    * Endurance: 3.3 hrs (198 mins)

    Armament

    * Guns: 2× 30 mm internal cannon
    * Hardpoints: 8 total, 4 on each side of the aircraft

    Avionics
    * Radar:BRLS AFAR/AESA radar

    * Frequency: 3 mm (0.118 in)
    * Diameter: 0.7 m (2 ft 4 in)
    * Targets: 32 tracked, 8 engaged
    * Range: 400 km (248 mi)
    o EPR: 3 m² (32.3 ft²): 160 km (99.4 mi)
    o Azimuth: +/-70°, +90/-50°
    * Power: 4,000 W
    * Weight: 65 to 80 kg (143 to 176 lb)
     
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