Pak to acquire new Subs: Saudi paid 'Bounty'?
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No need of creating hype on submarine deal between Pakistan and china....
Don't you know that Pakistan enjoy qualitative ,technological, superiority over India since beginning.
Let's start from 1965 .Pakistan had F-104 star fighter ,superior to our gnat in sky. On ground they had M-48 Patton against our british centurion and Stuart .
In water too, Pakistani navy launched attack on our shore city dwarka in Gujarat .But indian navy never launched any offensive against Pakistan in 1965.
Despite of having HMS-hercules (ins -vikrant) we were failed ,and never give them be fitted reply.
From 1965 to 1971 ,Pakistani navy operated two American submarines on lease .and renamed them ,PNS -GHAZI ,and PNS - HANGOOR ,respectively..
Hangoor claimed our INS khukri in Arabian sea .while GHAZI were sunk off Visakhapatnam coast. Later claimed by INS- ranjeet but natural sources never given any credit to ranjeet .as it was more then 30miles away from the area ,where GHAZI was buried in sea after a technical snag or depth charges...
So ,no need to worry ,we will manage everything after announcement of war with Pakistan .emergency purchase during war is a habit in our babudom at ministry of defence .after all it gives them more chances to secure handsome wealth for themselves.....
Jai hind......
Don't you know that Pakistan enjoy qualitative ,technological, superiority over India since beginning.
Let's start from 1965 .Pakistan had F-104 star fighter ,superior to our gnat in sky. On ground they had M-48 Patton against our british centurion and Stuart .
In water too, Pakistani navy launched attack on our shore city dwarka in Gujarat .But indian navy never launched any offensive against Pakistan in 1965.
Despite of having HMS-hercules (ins -vikrant) we were failed ,and never give them be fitted reply.
From 1965 to 1971 ,Pakistani navy operated two American submarines on lease .and renamed them ,PNS -GHAZI ,and PNS - HANGOOR ,respectively..
Hangoor claimed our INS khukri in Arabian sea .while GHAZI were sunk off Visakhapatnam coast. Later claimed by INS- ranjeet but natural sources never given any credit to ranjeet .as it was more then 30miles away from the area ,where GHAZI was buried in sea after a technical snag or depth charges...
So ,no need to worry ,we will manage everything after announcement of war with Pakistan .emergency purchase during war is a habit in our babudom at ministry of defence .after all it gives them more chances to secure handsome wealth for themselves.....
Jai hind......
Why worry about Pakistani submarines?? What huge impact will these make?
India is doing the right thing by increasing patrol ships rapidly. In addition, India has approved purchases of anti-sub helicopters and is constantly increasing the fleet size of anti-sub fixed wing platforms.
It is unlikely that 6-8 subs will tilt the balance in PN's favour. It may increase losses for India but will the losses even match the price of these subs??
India is doing the right thing by increasing patrol ships rapidly. In addition, India has approved purchases of anti-sub helicopters and is constantly increasing the fleet size of anti-sub fixed wing platforms.
It is unlikely that 6-8 subs will tilt the balance in PN's favour. It may increase losses for India but will the losses even match the price of these subs??
India will soon have 12 P8I anti-sub planes in addition to older Soviet origin planes. This is supplemented by dozens of Dorniers (more being acquired) and ship based anti-sub helicopters.
The risk from subs is to shipping in Arabian sea but it remains to be seen how much damage isolated subs can cause when these are actively hunted.
The risk from subs is to shipping in Arabian sea but it remains to be seen how much damage isolated subs can cause when these are actively hunted.
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The Subs are essential for the "Sea Denial" concept of PN and they are great assets to wage a gorilla warfare in the ocean against a numerically stronger opponent that is why they are going for the Chinese subs..... that too 8!! I guess thats the quick fix for PN in absence of heavy Destroyers or Frigates!!
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Seems more like the chinese trying to stimulate their sub industry and arms exporting.. similar to french deal with egypt for rafales. Also China keeps its best asset against India well armed.
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They had no choice other than chinese subs. Same story as F-22p. Tried to get western options even second hand ones and failed miserably. A few mediocre chinese sub does not threaten IN at all but increases the cost of protecting Indian merchant ships during war.
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India Keeping a Close Eye on China-Pak Military Cooperation: Navy Chief
India is keeping a close eye on the growing military cooperation between Pakistan and China as Islamabad and Beijing inch closer to hammering out a landmark submarine deal, navy chief Admiral Robin Dhowan said on Sunday.
In an exclusive interview to HT, Dhowan said the navy was keeping the Indian Ocean under tight surveillance to be ready for any eventuality.
"We have our eyes firmly set on waters of interest around us. The navy is a multi-dimensional combat force and we are looking at all aspects related to sea control and sea denial amid the unfolding developments in the region," Dhowan said in his first-ever interview after completing a year in office.
His comments come a day before Chinese President Xi Jinping lands in Pakistan for his maiden visit that is likely to see the finalisation of a deal for buying eight diesel-electric submarines, strengthening Islamabad's current fleet of five French submarines, including two ageing vessels manufactured in the 1970s.
The agreement will be one of Beijing's biggest exports and make Islamabad's submarine strength competitive with that of New Delhi, which operates 14 such vessels.
"The navy is closely tracking the developments in the Chinese navy and keeping an eye on their deployment patterns in the Indian Ocean region (IOR). We will have to see which way Pakistan-China military cooperation is headed," the navy chief said.
India has rapidly modernised its navy in recent years but still lags behind the Chinese Navy, which operates close to 60 submarines, including nuclear-powered attack and ballistic missile submarines. It is also preparing to commission three more advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines.
The last decade has seen Beijing scale up its presence in the Indian Ocean, building a string of ports, power plants and highways across the small island nations at the cost of billions of dollars. But India hasn't been caught unawares and is planning to boost its undersea capabilities by inducting 24 more submarines, including six nuclear-powered attack vessels, by 2030, the navy chief said.
The navy was scaling up its strengths under its 15-year maritime capabilities perspective plan and "we cannot have knee-jerk reactions (to capability build up by neighbours) in these long-term plans," Dhowan said.
The navy chief also said the only change in the Chinese navy deployment in the Indian Ocean region in the last six to seven years was the "occasional deployment" of submarines. "The navy keeps its surveillance on waters of interest to see that we are ready for any eventuality, anytime" he added.
In an exclusive interview to HT last week, defence minister Manohar Parrikar had also cautioned against Pakistani naval expansion becoming "a weakness in India's armour of controlling the ocean".
"We are not going to neglect any area because our maritime interests need to be guarded on all fronts and in all dimensions," Dhowan said.
Read more: India Keeping a Close Eye on China-Pak Military Cooperation: Navy Chief / Sputnik India English - News, Opinion, Radio
India is keeping a close eye on the growing military cooperation between Pakistan and China as Islamabad and Beijing inch closer to hammering out a landmark submarine deal, navy chief Admiral Robin Dhowan said on Sunday.
In an exclusive interview to HT, Dhowan said the navy was keeping the Indian Ocean under tight surveillance to be ready for any eventuality.
"We have our eyes firmly set on waters of interest around us. The navy is a multi-dimensional combat force and we are looking at all aspects related to sea control and sea denial amid the unfolding developments in the region," Dhowan said in his first-ever interview after completing a year in office.
His comments come a day before Chinese President Xi Jinping lands in Pakistan for his maiden visit that is likely to see the finalisation of a deal for buying eight diesel-electric submarines, strengthening Islamabad's current fleet of five French submarines, including two ageing vessels manufactured in the 1970s.
The agreement will be one of Beijing's biggest exports and make Islamabad's submarine strength competitive with that of New Delhi, which operates 14 such vessels.
"The navy is closely tracking the developments in the Chinese navy and keeping an eye on their deployment patterns in the Indian Ocean region (IOR). We will have to see which way Pakistan-China military cooperation is headed," the navy chief said.
India has rapidly modernised its navy in recent years but still lags behind the Chinese Navy, which operates close to 60 submarines, including nuclear-powered attack and ballistic missile submarines. It is also preparing to commission three more advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines.
The last decade has seen Beijing scale up its presence in the Indian Ocean, building a string of ports, power plants and highways across the small island nations at the cost of billions of dollars. But India hasn't been caught unawares and is planning to boost its undersea capabilities by inducting 24 more submarines, including six nuclear-powered attack vessels, by 2030, the navy chief said.
The navy was scaling up its strengths under its 15-year maritime capabilities perspective plan and "we cannot have knee-jerk reactions (to capability build up by neighbours) in these long-term plans," Dhowan said.
The navy chief also said the only change in the Chinese navy deployment in the Indian Ocean region in the last six to seven years was the "occasional deployment" of submarines. "The navy keeps its surveillance on waters of interest to see that we are ready for any eventuality, anytime" he added.
In an exclusive interview to HT last week, defence minister Manohar Parrikar had also cautioned against Pakistani naval expansion becoming "a weakness in India's armour of controlling the ocean".
"We are not going to neglect any area because our maritime interests need to be guarded on all fronts and in all dimensions," Dhowan said.
Read more: India Keeping a Close Eye on China-Pak Military Cooperation: Navy Chief / Sputnik India English - News, Opinion, Radio
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it will end up like u get merc as a dowry but after few days u realize u r not capable enough to bear fuel + maintenance charges
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You have to understand warfare and the combat environment to realise why somethings happened and something did not happen.
By having an aircraft carrier, could you tell us where and when it should have been used and what all would comprise of its 'safety net'?
Pakistan had Pattons, but we did not have Stuarts. We had Centurions and Shermans.
No one is worried. It is just that any addition to the adversary's combat strength requires a relook at our own plans and capabilities and change of tactics.
Pakistan adding to its submarines does give them a capability that they did not have. It requires operational attention.
What is important to note, that unlike the surface ships, Submarines require no vulnerable underway logistics chain nor depend on mutual defense from other platforms for survivability. That is what makes them dangerous when they prowl.
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