Pak pilot writes to kin of Indian he killed in 1965

[utubekhiladi]

@Pakistani Nationalist,

you see, we are not the one who are shooting un-armed planes... your peoples are the one who are shooting unarmed plane carrying civilians. and the so called apology letter form your ex-pilot is evidence.

 

[nitesh]

what can we do about it man?

Write the comments, every where, use the Internet to propragate the true face, this is one of the platform. Encourage others to read what is getting said here

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

hey nitesh u deleted my post but not this youtube khiladis?

Also atleast hes a gentleman.... he followed orders and shot a indian jet in the run of katch where there was a battle going on!

Unlike indians who shot down a cessna and atlantique which were unarmed shamelessly.

 

[Payeng]

I know the atlantique event which of the cessna are you referring to, please enlighten me.

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

after 65 ... during peace time a gnat shot down a cessna-bird dog of Pakistan... what abt tht?

 

[Payeng]

At least a link please so that I can make some valid argument.

 

[nitesh]

hey nitesh u deleted my post but not this youtube khiladis?

first, I didn't deleted any post, and second don't crib like this, if you have problem with mods action, please PM them, repeating such actions will result in disciplinary action

Also atleast hes a gentleman.... he followed orders and shot a Indian jet in the run of katch where there was a battle going on!

So according to pakistanis the gentlemen is person, who acts like a true ghazi, and murders a kaffir which is begging for mercy. And enjoys the murder.

Unlike indians who shot down a cessna and atlantique which were unarmed shamelessly.

Don't try to derail the topic with unrelated discussions

 

[Sabir]

@ Nitesh and DD...if you are a fighter pilot you are bound to listen what is commanded. You hardly have any option to becoma a coward or superhero on your on wish. You have to shoot be it is a fighter plane or a paper plane. If someone tries to console the families of the victim of his unethical act there is nothing wrong in it. Even if it is late.

 

[nitesh]

You are completely missing the point, we are trying to make. Sigh

 

[Payeng]

This matter of apology from the Pakistani pilot is making more of a useless buzz in the media remember he conveyed an apology its no such an act of bravery but a sign of good will for the Pakistani pilot in his personal capacity, comparing that with the atlantique incident would be inappropriate, both of them performed their duty in national interest, while the Pakistani pilot made a misjudgment of killing a civilian aircraft, the Indian counterpart performed his duty well done, speculation are IAF would like to take captive of that aircraft and when the aircraft deliberately tried to escape form the conflict zone the available option was a shoot down, as war rules don't suggest a retreating enemy not to be shoot down but only one who surrenders in front of the enemy, armed or unarmed it was a military class aircraft around the International boarder where it should not be, even a human spy can be unarmed but his act itself violate the rule of the land and even if he tries to run away he will be shoot down before he is gone from hand. Anyways loss of life is always a tragedy, and further lets not derail this threat to a India-Pakistan battle zone.

The act of the Pakistani pilot suits his reason for an apology while the act of the Indian pilot deserves his prize for a job well done. Loss of life is a tragedy but becomes inevitable for such a situation, so even the daughter of the Indian civilian pilot accepted the apology of the Pakistani fighter pilot.

 

[nitesh]

Payeng, the pakistani pilot is not apologizing at all, please don't twist the facts

 

[Payeng]

Payeng, the pakistani pilot is not apologizing at all, please don't twist the facts

Ok, gone through the thread and got it: the point of argument , well my reply was against the comparison of the point Pakistani Nationalist put forward...I missed the point that the PAF pilot had not conveyed any apology and the controversial nature of the story based. My point was no ways the both incident PakistaniNationalist had put forward can be compared in equal.

 

[Daredevil]

@ Nitesh and DD...if you are a fighter pilot you are bound to listen what is commanded. You hardly have any option to becoma a coward or superhero on your on wish. You have to shoot be it is a fighter plane or a paper plane. If someone tries to console the families of the victim of his unethical act there is nothing wrong in it. Even if it is late.

What was he consoling expect the fact that he was describing what he has done. He was not sorry about what he did. It is like shooting an unarmed man and then going to his family and say I shot him because somebody told me to shoot him. There is no consolation whatsoever. But the Indian media is twisting it as an apology to the family. So sorry, I don't accept your explanation.

 

[Daredevil]

PakNationalist, I think others have adequately answered about the Atlantique incident. To further add to their points, MuradK a retired PAF pilot on a Pak forum slipped his tongue (in anger) that Atlantique was indeed armed and would have shot at MiG-21 if it would have faced it but alas it was returning back to Pakistan with its tail firmly tucked between the legs. Also the case was lost in front of International court of Justice and India was not at fault.

And I don't know about the other incident you are talking about. If you know more post with details and links.

 

[nitesh]

This is floating in the net, I too got it

Death in Enemy Action

My father is a retired Indian Air force officer (Wing Commander). He knows first hand the true story of the death of the then Chief Minister of Gujarat Balwant Rai Mehta. My father, then Sqn Ldr BC Roy was the commanding officer of the only Air Force unit, which was a lone Radar unit at Bhuj during the Rann of Kutch operations, September 1965 India-Pakistan war.

After watching NDTV programme 46 years after the war (46 years after the war, a moment of humanity), rubbished the sequence and circumstance in which the Pakistan Air Force pilot Flying Officer Qais Hussein was compelled to shoot down the Beechcraft that was ferrying the then Chief Minister of Gujarat Balwant Rai Mehta along with his wife. It was being piloted by none other than ace retd Indian Air Force pilot Jehangir Engineer. This is what my father had to say:

1. Beechcraft takes off from Tata Chemicals, Mithapur. It was being piloted by former ace Indian Air Force officer pilot Jehangir Engineer and on board was the then serving Chief Minister of Gujarat Balwant Rai Mehta along with his wife and journalists, on 19th September 1965.

2. The movement of the Chief Minister was well publicised in newspapers, including advertisements. The Pakistan(is) knew of his movement all along.

3. Two Sabres from Pakistan chased the plane, twenty kilometers deep into Indian territory from international border and wanted to hijack this aircraft. They asked the plane to follow them to their airbase. The Pak Air Force knew all along that the Beechcraft was being flown by none other than the ace IAF pilot Jehangir Engineer, ferrying the then Gujarat Chief Minister and wife. Pakistan wanted to take them along as their prisoners which would certainly have been a great prize catch indeed.

4. While being escorted Jehangir Engineer, whose younger brother Group Captain Ronnie Engineer was then the Station Commander in Pune Airbase and another was Air Vice Marshal (famous Engineer brothers of IAF), could not let the Pak Air Force do this to them. He found a patch of land within Indian territory at Rann of Kutch. He ducked and wanted to force land the aircraft to save the Chief Minister from the two enemy Sabre jets.

5. The Sabres were totally merciless and pumped bullets, killing the pilot, the chief minister, his wife and other passengers on board, even though the pilot had waggled his wings, indicating it to be a civilian aircraft, thereby Pakistan Air Force violated an important international treaty, by shooting down a civilian aircraft killing unarmed innocent people including a lady.

Somik Ranjan Roy, Salt Lake, Kolkata

also here is one more: PAF pilot says he did not apologise, only shared the grief

 

[ALBY]

He just carried out the orders given to him.It is nothing wrong in that.He had done the duty of a responsible soldier so there is no point in critisizing him.

 

[nitesh]

The point here is the total chain of command was responsible for cold blooded murder, and this mofo is coming on TV and gloating about it. Truely sick headed.

 

[utubekhiladi]

also here is one more: PAF pilot says he did not apologise, only shared the grief

that's exactly what i am trying to say for couple of days now..... infact he is not even sharing any grief.. he is just being a smart ass.

India already know who shot that unarmed civilian plane. he is telling nothing new..

thanks for posting it.

 

[Daredevil]

And it deeply pains to see dhimmi comments from some of the Indians without knowing what is being said.

 

[ALBY]

Daredevil i share your feelings..but just think you were in the position of him and that too during a war. Would you risk to disobey your superior's orders?I don't know if am right or wrong but just viewed from the angle of a soldier.