Pak may give nukes to 'surrogate Taliban' for use against India: U.S.

[DaRk WaVe]

It could be a dirty bomb!

good read

The Myth of the "Dirty Bomb"

You also have a 600,000 strong army but they chose to send the likes of LET and JEM to bomb market places and trains rather than fight it out. This would be for the same reason.

These are NUCLEAR WEAPONS & miniaturizing them is no joke & Pakistan has got no capability to miniaturize them, Good Night Folks

 

[LETHALFORCE]

well..............



I am not saying tht Indian ABMs are just 'crap' but what makes you think Pakistan will not go for ways to neutralize this thing, but still i have to say that recent excerses are showing that Pakistan is shifting more towards the conventional side, i still dont see why we need some 'non state actors' to press the button when we can do it ourselves



& who knows about the Indian ABMs

97% of your missiles will not get thru no matter what you are saying and 100% of ours will so i would say it does neutralize and take your ballistic missiles out of the equation.

 

[ajtr]

If Pakistan does pass one such nuke device to Taliban it is USA who would be having sleepless nights , India can care two hoots about Pak nukes falling into Taliban's hands. It is USA who makes distinction between good/bad Taliban or even the Pak army and the terrorists as far as India is concerned Pak nukes are under the control of Pak Army.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

If Pakistan does pass one such nuke device to Taliban it is USA who would be having sleepless nights , India can care two hoots about Pak nukes falling into Taliban's hands. It is USA who makes distinction between good/bad Taliban or even the Pak army and the terrorists as far as India is concerned Pak nukes are under the control of Pak Army.

also after the trasfer I doubt Pakistan will have any nukes left, or if there is even a pakistan left.

 

[ajtr]

also after the trasfer I doubt Pakistan will have any nukes left, or if there is even a pakistan left.

Are sure there are still nuke left anymore???????=heheh

 

[ajtr]

Defendant in N.Y. terror plot says al-Qaeda leaders ordered attack

Ahmedzay pleaded guilty to conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction and providing material support to al-Qaeda, and he faces a sentence of up to life in prison.

Ahmedzay, Zazi and the third individual -- all U.S. residents -- told the al-Qaeda leaders during the August 2008 meeting that they wanted to fight in Afghanistan, but the al-Qaeda officials said they would be more useful if they returned to New York and carried out suicide attacks, according to court testimony and federal officials.

The three received weapons training and spoke further with the al-Qaeda leadership, who emphasized the need to hit well-known structures in Manhattan, with maximum casualties, officials said. The three Americans later met up in Queens and agreed to carry out suicide bombings during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ran from Aug. 22 to Sept. 20, 2009.

 

[ajtr]

This is what usa actually fears-threat from failed states like pakistan and afghanistan which are safe heavens for every terror group.India boegy is used by usa think tank just to tell india that usa and indian interests converge in these two country.but in reality it doesnt.lose pakistani nukes are more sort of night mare to usa than india.Let them live this nightmare coz pakistani nuke proliferation and terror groups are Frankenstein created by usa so let them deal with it.India bogey is invoked just to seek indian govt. co-operation,which india is not doing right now coz of drifting interests in afghanistan.

Helping Others Defend Themselves

Summary: In coming years, the greatest threats to the United States are likely to emanate from states that cannot adequately govern themselves or secure their own territory. The U.S. government must improve its ability to help its partners defend themselves or, if necessary, fight alongside U.S. troops.

In the decades to come, the most lethal threats to the United States' safety and security -- a city poisoned or reduced to rubble by a terrorist attack -- are likely to emanate from states that cannot adequately govern themselves or secure their own territory. Dealing with such fractured or failing states is, in many ways, the main security challenge of our time.

For the Defense Department and the entire U.S. government, it is also a complex institutional challenge. The United States is unlikely to repeat a mission on the scale of those in Afghanistan or Iraq anytime soon -- that is, forced regime change followed by nation building under fire. But as the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review recently concluded, the United States is still likely to face scenarios requiring a familiar tool kit of capabilities, albeit on a smaller scale. In these situations, the effectiveness and credibility of the United States will only be as good as the effectiveness, credibility, and sustainability of its local partners.

This strategic reality demands that the U.S. government get better at what is called "building partner capacity": helping other countries defend themselves or, if necessary, fight alongside U.S. forces by providing them with equipment, training, or other forms of security assistance. This is something that the United States has been doing in various ways for nearly three-quarters of a century. It dates back to the period before the United States entered World War II, when Winston Churchill famously said, "Give us the tools, and we will finish the job." Through the Lend-Lease program, the United States sent some $31 billion worth of supplies (in 1940s dollars) to the United Kingdom over the course of the war. U.S. aid to the Soviet Union during those years exceeded $11 billion, including hundreds of thousands of trucks and thousands of tanks, aircraft, and artillery pieces.

Building up the military and security forces of key allies and local partners was also a major component of U.S. strategy in the Cold War, first in Western Europe, then in Greece, South Korea, and elsewhere. One of the major tenets of President Richard Nixon's national security strategy, the Nixon Doctrine, was to use military and economic assistance to help U.S. partners and allies resist Soviet-sponsored insurgencies without using U.S. troops in the kind of military interventions that had proved so costly and controversial in Korea and Vietnam.

 

[SATISH]

If Pakistan does pass one such nuke device to Taliban it is USA who would be having sleepless nights , India can care two hoots about Pak nukes falling into Taliban's hands. It is USA who makes distinction between good/bad Taliban or even the Pak army and the terrorists as far as India is concerned Pak nukes are under the control of Pak Army.

No, A separate Command authority has been set up for the Pakistani Nuclear arsenal.

 

[ajtr]

No, A separate Command authority has been set up for the Pakistani Nuclear arsenal.

ultimate authority is pak army.it still rules the country from behind the civilian govt.case in point the recent kiyani's vist to usa for strategic dialogue with usa.remember the quote,"every country has army but pak army has a country for it"

 

[DaRk WaVe]

97% of your missiles will not get thru no matter what you are saying and 100% of ours will so i would say it does neutralize and take your ballistic missiles out of the equation.

this means that whole Pakistani Idea of Using Nuclear Weapons as a deterrence to keep India away from a full fledge Conventional War, will become totally flawed?????

97% is a BIG, I want you to explain me, HOW & why you are so 'confident' about elimination of BMs?

 

[ajtr]

The AfPak crisis between the US and Iran

More than Iran, what Obama fears is Pakistan's Islamic extremist taking control of the country's nuclear arsenal. The AfPak scenario drawn by the US intelligence is more than alarming. If the current trends are not reversed, the US risk to loose both the war in Afghanistan and control of its Muslim neighbour.

Therefore, the White House has shifted the main goal of its military engagement, from crushing the Taliban-Pashtun insurgency, to defeating the Islamist galaxy in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

It's in fact from Pakistan, which "invented" the Taliban, that the Afghan chaos stems. This is a direct consequence of the historic rivalry between Pakistan and India, where Islamabad considers Afghanistan as a strategic background in case of an Indian massive attack.

The geographic core of the crisis spans from the Iranian-Afghan-Pakistani frontier to the long disputed Kashmir region. But the biggest threat to the regional stability comes from Punjab and Baluchistan.

In the last two years, the Jihadist pressure has shifted from the Tribal Areas to the very heart of Pakistan – Punjab. A region that houses the Army's headquarters and the main nuclear sites of the country. As a consequence, the cooperation between the army and the Jihadists seems to have come to an end.

The other strategic area is Baluchistan, located between Pakistan and Iran, home to several Jihadist and separatist movements and theatre of massive illegal trafficking. A very instable region, that in the future should be crossed by the planned Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline, to be theoretically prolonged to India and, maybe, China.

To Tehran, the attacks on the Iranian side of the border are not just a matter of separatist movements, but an aggression from Pakistan, the US and Israel, that sooner or later could justify appropriate countermeasures.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

The point remains, Pakistan has got no Capability to miniaturize a Nuclear Weapon & give it over to non state actors & at present Pakistan don't need do anything 'stupid'

 

[lodaxstax]

what 'deniability', from where on God's Green Earth will OBL get people to make a suitcase Nuke & moreover we don't need any 'non state actor' to push the button for a Nuclear Weapon

thanks for accepting. tell that to zardari and others. we have known all along and have said state, non-state actors are all the same.

true, exploding a nuke is no kid's play and hence if and if the weapons do fall in hands of al qaeda, let, jem and others it will happen only complicity of pakistani establishment and the post event scenario will be very scary.

its in pakistan's interest to, if they intend to exist, to keep their nukes safe assuming if they even have any nukes=heheh

 

[DaRk WaVe]

thanks for accepting. tell that to zardari and others. we have known all along and have said state, non-state actors are all the same.

true, exploding a nuke is no kid's play and hence if and if the weapons do fall in hands of al qaeda, let, jem and others it will happen only complicity of pakistani establishment and the post event scenario will be very scary.

its in pakistan's interest to, if they intend to exist, to keep their nukes safe assuming if they even have any nukes=heheh

what i meant was if Pakistan ever got miniaturized a Nuclear Weapons why will it need non state actors to press the button?

& BTW you know if your assumption is wrong it can lead to.......

Reminds me of a Joke

' A cracked Mathematician was eating rice with empty spoon, some asked what are you doing?
he said, "I have assumed that spoon has rice in it'

 

[Vinod2070]

what i meant was if Pakistan ever miniaturized a Nuclear Weapons why will it need non state actors to press the button?

To try and escape the massive response!

It will not work BTW.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

To try and escape the massive response!

It will not work BTW.

Indians ain't fools they know no 'non state actor' can have a miniaturized nuke without any state's support, plus Pakistanis don't have a empty skull

 

[Vinod2070]

^^ Yeah. But still shyt happenz.

 

[lodaxstax]

what i meant was if Pakistan ever got miniaturized a Nuclear Weapons why will it need non state actors to press the button?

That is precisely the point. if ever there is nuke initiative it is going to be from the establishment and not any terrorist groups.

& BTW you know if your assumption is wrong it can lead to.......

please enlighten me..

Reminds me of a Joke

' A cracked Mathematician was eating rice with empty spoon, some asked what are you doing?
he said, "I have assumed that spoon has rice in it'

be grateful we are playing along with the assumption that there is indeed rice in the spoon.

 

[lodaxstax]

Indians ain't fools they know no 'non state actor' can have a miniaturized nuke without any state's support, plus Pakistanis don't have a empty skull[/QUOTE]

you would want to check that again. 1965, 1971, 1999 and it continues.....

an establishment taking support of terrorists group to achieve objectives isnt a representation of grey matter between the ears.

besides we do have generation in pakistan dreaming of ghazwa -e-hind and radio pakistan from delhi and who actually believe its a possibility. that includes generals and colonels as well. talk about empty skulls.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

you would want to check that again. 1965, 1971, 1999 and it continues.....

an establishment taking support of terrorists group to achieve objectives isnt a representation of grey matter between the ears.

besides we do have generation in pakistan dreaming of ghazwa -e-hind and radio pakistan from delhi and who actually believe its a possibility. that includes generals and colonels as well. talk about empty skulls.

are you trying to say that IA has got some 'super natural soldiers & generals', who never committed any mistake?

i am not going deny the existence of generation which is dreaming of Gazwa-e-hind but their number is not very considerable only Indians take them way too seriously & are absolutely obsessed with them but I don't think any of the present generals believe in it ( don't bring in that Hamid Gull for the F***s sake)