PAF suspends Air Force Development Plan 2025 says report

[Abhijeet Dey]

Right time for India to step up sorties and make forays into Pak Airspace, maybe also setup bases and fly a few sorties from Tajikistan and Afghanistan. Initially start them as joint drills

India should speed up the following list of procurements:

1. LCA Tejas Mk-II (FOC by early 2014)
2. MMRCA Rafale contract
3. Airbus MRTT Tanker
4. Apache Helicopters
5. Indo-French Maitri SR-SAM
6. Ino-Israeli Barak-8 MR-SAM
7. HAL Intermediate Jet Trainer

 

[datguy79]

Can members please focus on the thread topic? It was a good discussion for a while...

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Today, new maintenance concepts and facilities are based on a more direct communication, optimum use of software database and reliable electronic networks. Accompanying the technological developments, education and training are duly accentuated with special emphasis on R & D.

In the wake of war on terrorism and with the reality of living with an implacable opponent, Pakistan Air Force keeps on an all-time vigil. During Ops- Sentinel 2001-2002, when India had amassed its forces on Pak borders, PAF remained ready for dealing a telling blow to the enemy.

Derived from the national military objectives, the PAF leadership has clearly visualised and laid down the operational doctrine for the nation's air arm. PAF takes its pick of the finest young people in the land. It has now acquired new depths of human skills and initiative. Together, all branches of PAF are delivering unprecedented serviceability rates and efficient management of all resources. Poised on the threshold of tomorrow, PAF remains, as the Quaid said, "Second to None"; fully abreast with the requisite will and mechanism to live by its standards in the coming millennium and beyond.

PAKISTAN AIR FORCE - Official website

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Air Chief Marshal Rafique-Butt, who is on a five-day visit to the country, arrived at the Nigerian Airforce Headquarters in the company of the Nigerian Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Alex Bardeh.

The visitor told the Nigerian military authorities that the Pakistan air force is eager to collaborate with the Nigerian military to ensure that the country becomes a self-sufficient air force like Pakistan.

Nigeria To Partner With Pakistan Airforce On Security – www.channelstv.com

 

[datguy79]

Why does PAF insist on getting 200+ JF-17 when it could get the J-10 for a somewhat negligibly higher price?

 

[LurkerBaba]

Thread cleaned. Members infracted/banned. OT comments will invite strict action

 

[Drsomnath999]

Slowly Slowly Pakistan is accepting the ground reality that it is impossible to do arms race with india.
& India should focus on eastern sector

 

[sayareakd]

Why does PAF insist on getting 200+ JF-17 when it could get the J-10 for a somewhat negligibly higher price?

Well with 200+ Junk fighter they want to take on SU 30 MKI and MRCA, J10 is costly plus new fighter will have add cost of maintenance and training.

 

[agentperry]

arent you the indian?

the country that airforce was beaten really hard by PAF?

yes. the same country that tore your nation into 2 halves. how do you feel being broken into two. just think- half of the land people and resources snatched away and liberated, if PAF had real ability it would had shown that just 6 years after its greatest victory. where was paf in 1999? hiding from BVR? where it is when subsonic drones come in and bomb anything and everything? where is your airforce when insurgent takes over balochistan and swat-fata? how a mighty AF not being able to take out country out of insurgent? after all its savior

 

[Blackwater]

i think i missed the action:shocked::shocked::shocked:

 

[drkrn]

Don't bait farhan.

"Love thy neighbour" was said by Jesus if I am correct (I am not Christian)

And remember - Peace in Pakistan is better than chaos for India. If Jihadist gets his hand on nukes, I shudder to think of the next thing.

and if such situation arises ,this will no more be a dispute between two nations but an international emergency.
all countries will pour their maximal resources to prevent terrorists laying their hand on Pakistani nukes.
a Jihadi with nuke is a mad man with a stone.no one knows who is going to be hit.

not even china can help Pakistan in such a situation

 

[The Last Stand]

and if such situation arises ,this will no more be a dispute between two nations but an international emergency.
all countries will pour their maximal resources to prevent terrorists laying their hand on Pakistani nukes.
a Jihadi with nuke is a mad man with a stone.no one knows who is going to be hit.

not even china can help Pakistan in such a situation

Tom Clancy's Locked On is a good book of what would happen if Pakistani nukes fall in wrong hands

 

[datguy79]

Well with 200+ Junk fighter they want to take on SU 30 MKI and MRCA, J10 is costly plus new fighter will have add cost of maintenance and training.

Wiki says they are getting about 36 J-10 starting next year with 114 in total, seems a total waste to throw that many resources at jf-17.

 

[sayareakd]

Wiki says they are getting about 36 J-10 starting next year with 114 in total, seems a total waste to throw that many resources at jf-17.

most of wiki info is posted by PAF fan boys.

 

[SamwiseTheBrave]

Nigeria To Partner With Pakistan Airforce On Security – www.channelstv.com

lol...have a look at the lone comment on that article !

 

[p2prada]

They clearly cannot afford an arms race with India.

 

[DivineHeretic]

They clearly cannot afford an arms race with India.

Their financial condition can be judged from the fact that they have done away with the idea of putting IFR probes into their JF-17block 2 fighters due to cash crunch, which was originally planned to be in the initial batches as well.

We also know that PAF will not be able to replace the damaged/gutted SAAB AWE&C without external assistance or another set of soft loans. Their initial plan, by many accounts for 4 Chinese (prop driven AC) has been skittled down to 3.

It seems the PAF are marshalling all resources to ensure the MLU of F-16s continue unffected,the deliveries of Brazillian MARS continues and a steady induction of lightly modified JF-17 block 2.

 

[p2prada]

Their financial condition can be judged from the fact that they have done away with the idea of putting IFR probes into their JF-17block 2 fighters due to cash crunch, which was originally planned to be in the initial batches as well.

We also know that PAF will not be able to replace the damaged/gutted SAAB AWE&C without external assistance or another set of soft loans. Their initial plan, by many accounts for 4 Chinese (prop driven AC) has been skittled down to 3.

It seems the PAF are marshalling all resources to ensure the MLU of F-16s continue unffected,the deliveries of Brazillian MARS continues and a steady induction of lightly modified JF-17 block 2.

True. They will be lucky to even get 2 squadrons of J-10 in the future, let alone order J-31s.

The difference between PAF and IAF will slowly start resembling the difference in power between IN and PN.

Those ZDK-03s are not even AESA. Old slotted arrays.

 

[DivineHeretic]

True. They will be lucky to even get 2 squadrons of J-10 in the future, let alone order J-31s.

The difference between PAF and IAF will slowly start resembling the difference in power between IN and PN.

Those ZDK-03s are not even AESA. Old slotted arrays.

Initially,(Atleast according to some self-claimed insiders) the plan was from 36 to as many as 108 J10Bs in PAF, replacing the F-16 as the high end of the fleet. This was before the economy nosedived from the artificial growth.

When the economy began unraveling, the PAF decided that they'd have to stick with the F-16s and JF-17s, until atleast 2014-15, (thus the order for 36 J-10Bs). The hope was that with AESA, IRST and IFRs, the JF-17 would be just about capable enough to present some sort of a deterrence to the IAF. They already realised they were in a sinking ship as far as matching the IAF was concerned. ( Note the Wikileaks revelations about PAF request more F-16s, and the US analysis of PAF against IAF).

Now they are finding themselves in a state where they can't even finance even the IFR probes into the JF-17B2. There is severe cash crunch as far as development and future plans are concerned. There is also creeping doubt whether the J10B will indeed be available, given Russia will likely block sales of AL31 engines to Pak. The idea is that they'll save the money and instead by 2022-25, they'll have more 5th gen ACs then initially planned.

Their fleet will whittle down to about 200-250 jets, (150 JF-17s, 63+18 F16s and J-31) post 2020, as per some sources. These numbers, if correct, will give the IAF disproportionate superiority, even in their airspace. I also believe that the time required to establish IAF dominance over PAF will come down from the current 6 days. Perhaps its time the IAF began planning towards air Supremacy over Pak skies instead of air superiority.

 

[DivineHeretic]

There is one thing though thats not being discussed. And its a pretty significant factor.

As of now, we know is under severe economic stress. We know that their future plans are being screwed over by this. However, what is the effect of this on their pilot training?

Pilot training is very expensive business. To maintain them fighting fit even more so. With such low cash reserves, the PAF pilot training will (maybe already) suffer. The number of flight hours a pilot can put in will go down, if not already. My guess is they will prioritise pilots of the F-16C/D block 52s over that of the Mirage and F7P to maintain a max combat fitness of their best pilots.



The quality of their pilots, their eternal bragging will decrease significantly, if the economy does not take off. With the US WoT winding down, they will also reduce CSF funds to the Pakistanis.