Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Rage, Mar 22, 2009.
so nice when significant hardware gets delivered on time and to budget.
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How the US Navy's P8A Poseidon sees under the water
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Panel finishes talks to buy 4 more P-8I aircraft
The Poseidon is set to gain a new anti-submarine weapon:
PM oks $1bn deal with US for 4 Poseidons
New Delhi: The India-US strategic clinch continues to get tighter. Soon after the two finalised the bilateral military logistics pact, the US has bagged yet another mega arms deal to reassert its status as India's largest weapons supplier in recent years.
Defence ministry sources on Friday said the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), chaired by PM Narendra Modi, has cleared the acquisition of four Poseidon-8I longrange surveillance and antisubmarine warfare aircraft at a cost of over $1 billion. "The contract will be inked with Boeing in the next few days. The first P-8I will be delivered to the Navy within three years," said a source. The four new P-8I aircraft, packed with radars and weapons, will join the first eight such aircraft inducted by the Navy in 2013-2015 under a $2.1 billion deal.
The Navy is using the eight P-8Is, armed with deadly Harpoon Block-II missiles, MK-54 lightweight torpedoes, rockets and depth charges, to keep an "intelligent hawk-eye" over the entire Indian Ocean Region, which has witnessed stepped-up Chinese submarine forays over the last two years. With an operating range of 1,200 nautical miles, "with four hours on station", the P-8Is provide the reach and flexibility to undertake extensive maritime surveillance and intelligence-gathering missions.
They can detect "threats" in India's immediate and extended areas of interest and neutralise them if required. The CCS approval comes after the defence ministry last week also cleared acquisition of 145 M-777 ultra-light howitzers from the US. The Army wants these 155mm/39calibre howitzers as they can be swiftly airlifted to "threatened high-altitude areas" along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control with China.
The US, of course, is now also aggressively hawking its fighter jets — the twin-engine F/A-18 "Super Hornet" (Boeing) or the single-engine F-16 "Fighting Falcon" (Lockheed Martin) — for the Make in India programme.
As earlier reported by TOI, the Pentagonaviation majors combine had made detailed presentations to the Indian defence establishment in April for the proposed fighter production line. US under secretary of defence Frank Kendall is leading a top Pentagon-industry delegation to New Delhi again this month for further talks.
This comes after India said it wanted "a much higher level" of transfer of technology (ToT) than the "limited" one on offer. Incidentally, Swedish defence firm Saab has also submitted a detailed proposal, with "attractive ToT", for manufacture of its latest Gripen-E fighter in India.
BREAKING: India concludes deal with @BoeingDefense for 4 more P-8I Poseidons. Indian Navy fleet to swell to 12.
India orders four maritime spy planes from Boeing for $1 bn
India has already deployed eight of the long-range P-8I aircraft to track submarine movements in the Indian Ocean.
NEW DELHI, July 27:
India signed a contract on Wednesday to buy four maritime spy planes from Boeing Co for about $1 billion, defence and industry sources said, aiming to bolster the navy as it tries to check China's presence in the Indian Ocean.
India has already deployed eight of the long-range P-8I aircraft to track submarine movements in the Indian Ocean and on Wednesday exercised an option for four more, two defence ministry officials and an industry source told Reuters.
“It's a follow-on order, it was signed today,” a defence ministry official said, speaking on condition of anonymity as he is not authorised to make announcements on procurements.
A second defence official confirmed the value of the contract at about $1 billion and said the aircraft were expected to enter service over the next three years.
Amrita Dhindsa, a spokeswoman for Boeing defence, space, and security in India, said she was not in a position to say anything on the contract and referred all questions to the defence ministry.
But she said the P81 was an aircraft used for not only for long-range patrol but was also equipped with Harpoon missiles for anti-submarine warfare.
India has been building up its naval surveillance capabilities since China's navy expanded its reach and sent submarines, including a nuclear-powered boat that docked in Sri Lanka, across the Indian Ocean.
The deal, signed during a visit by the U.S. Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition Frank Kendall, marks a further tightening of India's ties with the United States, which has emerged as a top arms supplier in recent years for India's largely Soviet-equipped military.
A U.S. embassy spokesman was not immediately available for comment.
Boeing last year completed the delivery of the last of the aircraft under the previous order worth $2.1 billion, an industry source said.
The Indian navy has deployed some of its P8-I aircraft to the remote Andaman and Nicobar islands near the Malacca Straits and two other routes into the Indian Ocean for military and commercial shipping.
Tata Advanced Materials Limited and Boeing sign an agreement for providing interior panels for the P-8 aircraft
Indian Navy To Get Additional P8I Submarine Hunter, Reconnaissance Aircraft In 2020
SEATTLE: The Indian Navy will get its additional P8I submarine killer, maritime reconnaissance aircraft starting July 2020, with work being initiated at the Boeing facility here to deliver an updated version of the combat plane.
The boost to the Indian fleet will come at a time when the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), which has been growing at a scorching pace over the past decade, is projected to have over 70 submarines in service.
India, which already operates eight of the long range sea patrol aircraft, has placed an order for an additional four planes in July this year and the Navy has shared an undisclosed list of upgrades and new features that it requires on the new planes, a senior Boeing executive has shared.
"We are looking forward to delivering the options in the July 2020 timeframe. We also have a long list of upgrades that the Indian Navy is interested in, we are working on that," Mark Jordan, Chief Engineer of the P8 program said.
While the Boeing official did not share details of the upgrades being discussed, the Indian Navy is also likely to contract for a simultaneous upgrade of its existing fleet of eight plans to the latest standard. The P8 aircraft are being flown by the US Navy and Australia has got deliveries of its first aircraft last week. In addition, the Royal Air Force is also placing an order for the unique maritime patrol and combat aircraft.
One of the projects being worked on the aircraft – which is equipped with Harpoon anti shipping missiles – is to give it the capacity to take in fuel while flying. While the Indian P8Is are equipped with aerial refueling system, it was not a contracted requirement from the Indian side.
Boeing officials said that the P8 planes are likely to be certified for aerial refueling by next year, giving a tremendous increase in range for maritime missions. While India does not have a tanker that is capable of refueling the P8I, it can take in fuel from American tankers – missions that have been made easy with the recent signing of a logistics sharing pact between the two nations.
India has been using its P8I fleet extensively for missions ranging from patrolling and spotting passing submarines and ships to search missions in the Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea. Large scale search missions were recently carried out by the aircraft in search of the missing An 32 transporter off the Chennai coast. India is also looking to placing some aircraft at the Andaman islands to give them more reach to patrol regions of interest.
While 12 P8Is are now contracted by the Indian Navy, Boeing is hopeful for more orders with a top executive saying that the Indian side has expressed its willingness to look at adding additional planes in the future.
tender pass hua kya???
Sir, tender ka jarurat hanin ... It is part of the original contract with follow on orders of 4 more... India is just exercising its option...
India, Russia to Hold Joint Naval Exercise
Will Uncle Sam be happy about this?
The Americans better get used to this.
U.S. P-8A Poseidon • Confrontation With Chinese Navy ...
Looks like P8I has latest intelligence and surveillance technologies
Ahead of Mike Pompeo's visit, India takes first steps to sign major defence deal with US
India wants ten more P-8I aircraft for surveillance, reconnaissance and anti-submarine operations in addition to the eight it contracted for in 2009 for the Navy.
New Delhi: On the eve of the visit of the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, to India, the first step towards a major defence deal with the United States has been taken.
India wants ten more P-8I aircraft for surveillance, reconnaissance and anti-submarine operations in addition to the eight it contracted for in 2009 for the Navy. The search for the additional ten P8!s cleared its first hurdle today when the Services Capital Acquisition Categorization Higher Committee (SCAPCHC), headed by the Chief of Integrated Staff or CISC, a senior lieutenant-general and including the three vice chiefs of staff of the three services cleared the proposal of about Rs 22,500 crore.
This is only the first step. The deal will have to be cleared by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) headed by defence minister Rajnath Singh and including the three chiefs and the defence secretary and then, by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and including the finance, defence, home and external affairs ministers.
The purchase will be through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, meaning it is a government-to-government deal. It is also a follow-on order. This avoids the lengthy process of bidding and usually, charges of corruption and favouritism. Many large orders have taken the FMS route including very recently, the 145 M-777 light howitzers for the Indian Army and also, the C-130 and C-17 aircraft and the Apache and Chinook helicopters.
"This is a follow-on order and through the FMS system. We have indicated we especially want this aircraft," a senior navy official said.
The Pompeo visit later this month comes at a time when Indo-US defence ties are at a high, primarily after the signing of the COMCASA (Communications, Compatibility and Security Agreement) and a similar logistics agreement earlier.
But there are also some major differences: the USA is not happy with the purchase of the S-400 air-defence missiles from Russia. The Indian side feels there were indications of acceptance by the USA earlier. Issues like the purchase of Iranian oil, though that is coming down and the differences over the Generalised System of Preferences (GSP) trade agreement also have to be sorted out between the two countries.
The USA is also keen that the Indian Air Force buys the F-35 fighter aircraft. India is keen to buy about 114 fighters and the French, Russians and Swedes are also bidding for the deal.
Well India ocean is big so more p8i make sense. With harpoon missile they are a danger for Chinese navy.
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Such aircraft are way to expensive to buy and maintain!!
All surveillance should be done via unmanned aircraft in future! This automatically reduces the size of the aircraft and increases the flight endurance (as there's no 30+ crew onboard)!
This is not just air surveillance but killing ships/submarines via missiles/torpedoes. P-8 carries more weapons, radars. sensors and sonobuoys as compared to unmanned aircraft.
Unmanned aircraft can be GPS spoofed plus the data links jammed. Thus they cannot function independently. While P-8 with crew onboard can function independently even if communication from base disrupted.
P-8 can also perhaps talk with other air/ship assets nearby more effectively in realtime. Even america is depending on P-8 and not completely shifting to UAVs.
Instead of the expanding the fleet of expensive P8s, something like Guardian drones could be used. It has long endurance, long range. & it can drop sonobuoys too.
If and when a sub is detected, the limited P8s in the sky can swoop in to drop the torpedo (the sub would barely cover substantial distance by the time a P8 swoops in)
P8I are good and useful. We can't make them ourselves yet but drones we can. Rustom 2 is almost ready . So buying sea guardian is not very prudent. .
I say buy more p8i and cancel sea guardian rather deploy rustom 2 in huge numbers.
Rustom 2 will have 24 hrs endurance very good for sea patrolling.
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