Osama Bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan

What do you think was Pakistan's role in Osama Bin Laden killing?

  • 1. US operation, ISI, Pak Army or Government did not know squat

    Votes: 100 62.5%
  • 2. US operation, Pak agencies were in the know, but did not play any role

    Votes: 7 4.4%
  • 3. US led operation with cooperation with active support from Pak

    Votes: 3 1.9%
  • 4. US led operation reluctantly supported by Pak

    Votes: 12 7.5%
  • 5. US operation, Pak agencies knew and were told to lay off or face consequences

    Votes: 33 20.6%
  • 6. US operation, Pak agencies knew and tried to put a spanner losing men, machines and face in the p

    Votes: 5 3.1%

  • Total voters
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Bin Laden considered seeking deal with Pakistan, U.S. official says

Washington (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden considered seeking a deal with Pakistan under which al Qaeda leaders in the country would be protected and, in return, al Qaeda would refrain from attacking Pakistan, a U.S. official told CNN Friday.

The revelation surfaced as American agents analyzed the documents that were seized in the May 2 raid of bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, according to the official, who was not authorized to speak on the record.

The documents show the al Qaeda leader communicated with his operations chief, Atiya Abdul Rahman, about a possible deal with Pakistan, the official said.

The New York Times first reported on the possible deal.

The official said there is no evidence an approach was ever made to any Pakistani officials to try to cut such a deal.

"This appeared to be a discussion inside al Qaeda," the official said.

Husain Haqqani, Pakistani ambassador to the United States, told CNN's Suzanne Malveaux that Pakistan is "not aware" of any such idea.

"The question is, 'Did he raise it with anyone?' The U.S. government clearly says that he did not. It was something that he and his associates were considering amongst themselves, Haqqani said.

"So if we knew something about it, we would have done something about it long ago."

In the aftermath of the raid, U.S. officials have said that they suspect elements of the Pakistani government knew of bin Laden's hideaway in Abbottabad. But Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said recently that was just a "supposition."

The U.S. official would say Friday only that the Pakistanis are conducting their own investigation and that the United States "has no evidence Pakistan was aware he was living in Abbottabad."

But the official stressed agents are still going through the material that was seized and whether there are any "links to people inside Pakistan is still an open question."

The official said the documents also confirmed a point that U.S. agents were aware of: That bin Laden vetoed a proposal to change the leadership of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

The documents say Rahman notified bin Laden that AQAP wanted to make Anwar al-Awlaki the leader of that group, the official said, but bin Laden did not go along.

Bin Laden considered seeking deal with Pakistan, U.S. official says - CNN.com
 

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I wish more power to them, beer and popcorn time, also this news says that kashmiri is alive

Senior al Qaeda leader attacks Pakistani state in bin Laden eulogy - The Long War Journal


A senior al Qaeda leader who is rumored to have been killed in a Predator airstrike in early June has appeared on a propaganda tape that eulogizes Osama bin Laden. On the videotape, Ustadh Ahmad Farooq, al Qaeda's media emir and head of "Islamic Propagation" for Pakistan, condemns the Pakistani state for betraying the terror group and allied organizations.
In today's tape, Farooq attacked Pakistan for betraying al Qaeda and allied groups such as the Afghan Taliban.

"Pakistani armed forces and its intelligence agencies have betrayed the Ummah, the religion and the global Jihadi movement," Farooq said.

He then went on to list several al Qaeda leaders who were captured in Pakistan and turned over to the US since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Included are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, "the great military commander and mastermind of September 11"; Sheikh Abu Zubaidah, "the great military commander and genius knight"; Ramzi bin al Shibh, "the distinguished military commander"; Abu Faraj al Libi, " the important leader, the unique military commander"; Sheikh Abu Mus'ab "of the Sham" (Abu Musab al Suri), "the great Mujahid, preacher, and intellectual of Sham"; and Aafia Siddiqui, "the chaste daughter of their own nation."

I guess, we will see more fireworks, Green vs Green. Let's see which side is more greener.
 

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Getting Bin Laden
What happened that night in Abbottabad.
by Nicholas Schmidle

Read more The Mission to Get Osama Bin Laden : The New Yorker
An excellent account of how the Americans moved in and out of Abbottabad, Pakistan, killed their most wanted foe and shredded the pretense of any and all Pakistani ghairat to nothing on the way.

No wonder the gahiratmand across the border are hurting and fuming to this day. Talk about being comprehensively violated.

A must read for DFI members.
 

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before the usa operation(2 months earlier) there were statements in news from usa and India diplomats (on different occasions)that bin laden is in pakistan and suddenly later he was killed in operation.. I believe India too know that he is in pak , and usa called pakis bluff..(so pakis didnt expect its a suprise gift(they are incompitent) .
 

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before the usa operation(2 months earlier) there were statements in news from usa and India diplomats (on different occasions)that bin laden is in pakistan and suddenly later he was killed in operation.. I believe India too know that he is in pak , and usa called pakis bluff..(so pakis didnt expect its a suprise gift(they are incompitent) .
everyone knew where he was.... except the pakistanis[as they say]....but only US knew his exact location and took him out....
 

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GOP says Obama playing politics with bin Laden anniversary

GOP says Obama playing politics with bin Laden anniversary

Washington (CNN) -- Days before the one-year anniversary of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, top surrogates for President Barack Obama and presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney took to the national stage to argue the politics of the attack.

Senior Obama campaign adviser Robert Gibbs defended the campaign's use of the event in a recent Web video and in a speech from Vice President Joe Biden. Meanwhile, senior Romney adviser Ed Gillespie characterized the political steps surrounding the death as a "bridge too far."

Team Obama released a video on Friday, partially narrated by former President Bill Clinton, that praised the president's decision to order the killing of the al Qaeda chief one year from Tuesday and questioned whether Romney would have made the same choice. Biden similarly questioned the former Massachusetts governor in a campaign-style speech on Thursday.

Gibbs, the former White House press secretary, said the video was "not over the line" and criticized comments Romney made on the issue during his first White House bid as "foolish."

The video quotes Romney in 2007 during his first White House bid, saying, "It's not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person." Days later, he said, "We'll move everything to get him (bin Laden)."

Boehner: Romney is a very likeable person Boehner: Obama's getting bad advice Pres. Obama gives and takes zingers Coverage of Obama largely negative

"There's a difference in the roles they would play as commander in chief, and I certainly think that's fair game," Gibbs said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

During his second White House bid, Romney has repeatedly praised the president for launching the raid on bin Laden.

Gillespie, a former aide to former President George W. Bush and former chairman of the Republican National Committee, said utilizing the raid for political purposes is one of the reasons Obama has "become one of the most divisive presidents in American history."

"He took something that was a unifying event for all Americans, and he's managed to turn it into a divisive, partisan political attack," Gillespie said in a separate interview on the same NBC program. "I think most Americans will see it as a sign of a desperate campaign."

The campaign video received criticism from Republicans, including from 2008 Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain. On Friday, he called the minute-long spot "a cheap political attack ad."

White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan avoided the politics of the issue but did praise the president's decision-making skills surrounding bin Laden's death by U.S. Navy SEALs during a raid in Pakistan.

"I don't do politics," Brennan said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." "I just know that President Obama, when the time came for him to make a momentous decision like that, he took the action that did bring bin Laden to justice."

Biden teed off what will likely remain a talking point from Team Obama through the election in a Thursday address that previewed a potential 2012 slogan.

"If you are looking for a bumper sticker to sum up how President Obama has handled what we inherited, it's pretty simple: Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive," Biden said during a speech at New York University, lines Gibbs echoed on Sunday.

The president will pick up the message with what the campaign has billed as the president's re-election kick-off on Saturday. Obama is expected to attend campaign rallies in Columbus, Ohio, and Richmond, Virginia, two likely battleground states in the November election.

Biden will attend campaign events in Missouri and Indiana on Monday and in Washington on Thursday.
Obama rallied young voters on college campuses in North Carolina, Iowa and Colorado last week, calling for Congress to stop an increase in the interest rate for student loans in July.

Jim Messina, Obama campaign manager, said that Saturday will mark the end of the Republican "monologue."
"Now Romney has to put his record and his agenda up against the president's, and we look forward to that debate," Messina said Wednesday on a conference call with reporters.

Romney is expected to meet with former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum on Friday, a long-awaited rendezvous given that the former Pennsylvania senator has yet to endorse his party's presumptive nominee.
Santorum danced around the issue last week with CNN's Piers Morgan during his first televised interview since he suspended his candidacy on April 10.

He acknowledged Romney would be the "person that's going against Barack Obama," but said he was still "working through it" and discussing it with this wife, Karen.

Newt Gingrich is scheduled to announce the suspension of his campaign on Wednesday, at which point he will back Romney, sources told CNN.

Romney will spend much of the coming week fundraising, with events in Pennsylvania and Virginia.

He will also campaign Monday with Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, the latest potential vice presidential candidate to appear with the GOP frontrunner. The freshman senator was an early backer of Romney and appeared with him repeatedly on the stump ahead of her state's primary.

Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida got the VP scrutiny treatment last week when he appeared with Romney in Pennsylvania. Many political observers see Rubio as the favorite for Romney's vice presidential pick, given his ties to the swing state of Florida, the Hispanic community (he is the son of Cuban immigrants) and members of the grassroots tea party movement.

Rubio was one of three potential candidates mentioned by House Speaker John Boehner in an interview that aired Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." Boehner said there is a "long list" of qualified candidates for the GOP ticket, including Rubio, Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio and Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana, all of whom fit his criteria that the pick be capable of serving as president.

"There are a lot of people that I like. But this is a personal choice for Gov. Romney, and I'm confident that he'll have a running mate that will be helpful to the ticket," Boehner told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley. "I think the number one quality is: Are they capable of being president in the case of an emergency?"

Democratic Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Angeles and Haley Barbour, former Mississippi governor and RNC chairman, on Sunday downplayed the importance of the No. 2 pick.

Villaraigosa, a Mexican-American, said he wouldn't expect a Rubio pick to make a large difference with Hispanic voters.

"I don't expect that it's going to win you an election or win you an entire demographic. This is going to be fought on the issues," Villaraigosa said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"Can a vice presidential candidate just change the whole deck? No I don't think so," Barbour said on the CBS program. "The idea that you're going to reshuffle the deck would be very unusual in American history."

GOP says Obama playing politics with bin Laden anniversary - CNN.com
 

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How fitting that the Pakhanis are drinking this water from its source?

Now waiting for a Typhoid/cholera epidemic in Pakhanaland.
 

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This Treasure Hunter Says He Has Located Bin Laden's Body

"I've located where they threw him away. I'm the only one with this information. He's 200 miles to the west of the Indian city of Surat."

This Treasure Hunter Says He Has Located Bin Laden's Body | Danger Room | Wired.com
I guess the guys at Stratfor were wrong :D

The body of Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was not buried at sea, according to leaked emails of intelligence firm Stratfor, as revealed by WikiLeaks.

Stratfor's vice-president for intelligence, Fred Burton, believes the body was "bound for Dover, [Delaware] on [a] CIA plane" and then "onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda [Maryland]," an email says.
Leaked: Bin Laden not buried at sea, body moved on CIA plane to US — RT
 

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STRATFOR does not know AFIP no longer exists?

Stratfor's vice-president for intelligence, Fred Burton, believes the body was "bound for Dover, [Delaware] on [a] CIA plane" and then "onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda [Maryland]," an email says.

Armed Forces Institute of Pathology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Base Realignment and Closure proposal for 2005 included a realignment of the WRAMC campus that had as one element the disestablishment of AFIP with relocation of its "military relevant functions" to the NNMC, Bethesda, Maryland; Dover AFB, Delaware; and Fort Sam Houston, Texas.
 

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I think this should be added to the poll: "Pak Pres, PM and then US Ambassador knew but did not inform the military."
 

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Bin Laden (cadaver) is now in exhibit in some US Museum look at this photo...

 

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