Orbat Libya Conflict

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Armand any chances of NATO Ground forces also participating on ground or it will be in Air support role only?
NATO doesn't have anything to do with it because Germans are too weak to support it. Ground forces are a resort of last option by France and UK only. If rebels can't do what they need to do, it might be required but we will talk about that AFTER we bomb the stuffing out of Gaddafi.
 

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USA is not even contributing much to Air support as well. If there is any Involvement it will be form NATO not from USA . They dont want any bad publicity this time. Their hands are quite tied to contribute to this operation.
USA is only going to provide Tomahawk strikes against the IADS. No fighters and no troops Obama said.
 
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CANADA:

Operation MOBILE

Operation MOBILE is the Canadian Forces' participation in the multinational response to the continuing crisis in Libya.

Current deployments

Task Force Charlottetown

On 1 March 2011, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced that HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339) would deploy from Halifax on 2 March to take part in Canadian and international operations already under way in Libya. Charlottetown departed Halifax on schedule, cleared Gibraltar and joined Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 (SNMG1) on 14 March, and arrived on station on 17 March.

HMCS Charlottetown is a Halifax-class frigate under the command of Commander Craig Skjerpen with a crew of about 240 officers and sailors, and a CH-124 Sea King helicopter and air detachment. With the other ships of SNMG1, Charlottetown is engaged in regional maritime security operations in the central Mediterranean Sea.

Task Force Libeccio

Named for the strong southwesterly wind that blows all year in the Mediterranean, Task Force Libeccio is the air detachment participating in the enforcement of the no-fly zone in Libya authorized by Resolution 1973, adopted by the U.N. Security Council on 17 March 2011.

Task Force Libeccio comprises six CF-188 Hornet fighter aircraft and about 200 Canadian Forces personnel, including aircrews and ground technicians from 425 (Tactical Fighter) Squadron at 3 Wing Bagotville and other locations across Canada.

Mission context

Conflict in Libya

The wave of popular uprisings that swept the Arabic-speaking countries of North Africa and the Middle East in the "Arab Spring" movement of 2011 began in Tunisia on 18 December 2010. Demonstrations began on 13 January 2011 in Libya, rapidly developing into armed rebellion centred on Benghazi. The government of Colonel Muammar Qadhafi responded with widespread systematic attacks by air and ground forces that frequently targeted non-combatant civilians.

The United Nations Security Council reacted with two resolutions:

"¢1970 of 26 February, which called for an international arms embargo on Libya and froze the assets of individuals close to the regime of Muammar Qadhafi, or implicated in major violations of human rights, and
"¢1973 of 17 March, which imposed a no-fly zone over Libya to ensure the safety of civilians.



Source: National Defence and the Canadian Forces


File Photo: HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339) is a Halifax-class frigate



File Photo: A Canadian Forces CH-124 Sea King Helicopter



File Photo: Canadian Airforce CF-18 Hornet
 

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NATO doesn't have anything to do with it because Germans are too weak to support it. Ground forces are a resort of last option by France and UK only. If rebels can't do what they need to do, it might be required but we will talk about that AFTER we bomb the stuffing out of Gaddafi.
I beg to differ. The Germans are more capable of an objective evaluation. This has got nothing to do with weakness or anything related. Read the Deutche-Welle article I posted in the other thread. That will help you understand.
 

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USA is not even contributing much to Air support as well. If there is any Involvement it will be form NATO not from USA . They dont want any bad publicity this time. Their hands are quite tied to contribute to this operation.
Moreover, this is France's Iraq. France gets the oil, not US after the rebels defeat Gaddafi's forces. US does not gain a whole lot anyway. So they will keep their support to the minimum to show 'we are with you' while not committing to too much.
 

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NATO doesn't have anything to do with it because Germans are too weak to support it. Ground forces are a resort of last option by France and UK only. If rebels can't do what they need to do, it might be required but we will talk about that AFTER we bomb the stuffing out of Gaddafi.
Germans are helping you people one way or others . They have promised to increase their strength in Afghanistan so that you can free some resources to be used in Libya. Systems like Awacs will play major roles .
 

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Norway sending six warplanes to Libya action: PM
Norway - 19 MARCH 2011

Norway will contribute six F-16 warplanes to an international military operation to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said Saturday.

"Norway is prepared to send six F-16 airplanes to a military action in Libya. The planes can be in place within a few days," Stoltenberg told reporters in Paris, where he is attending a summit on Libya hosted by French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

"Norway will take its responsibility. We want to contribute to the resolution being carried out," he was quoted by news agency NTB as saying, referring to the adoption of a United Nations resolution establishing a no-fly zone over Libya.

Late Friday, neighbouring Denmark's parliament voted unanimously to support a government proposal on sending warplanes to Libya.

The Danish defence ministry said in a statement the country would contribute four F-16s along with two reserve fighter jets and a transport plane.

A defence ministry spokesman told AFP the warplanes had left Denmark early Saturday and had reached a military base in Sicily.


File Photo: Royal Norwegian Airforce F-16



Source: AFP
 

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Germans are helping you people one way or others . They have promised to increase their strength in Afghanistan so that you can free some resources to be used in Libya. Systems like Awacs will play major roles .
Germans are preventing NATO from being involved. They are taking their AWACs controllers that have been operating in Malta and moving them to Astan. Now we have to cover for their absence and get no official moves from NATO. It is all about individual contributions now which is fine for me as it shows the obsolescence of this US led alliance that has no relevance in a post-Cold War world. The Franco-Anglo alliance is leading Europe in a new direction where the White House does not call the shots.
 

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French fighters coming from Chad shouldn't have much problems in the South.
 

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French fighters are over Libyan skies now enforcing the NFZ.
 

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Gaddafi should have indeed enforced the ceasefire. He was just buying time by the unilateral declaration of ceasefire and has now probably pushed into Benghazi.

On hindsight, this will make them less vulnerable because when NATO strikes them, they will have to strike in Benghazi, there will be collateral damage and Gaddafi can blame NATO for it.

Interesting twist.
 
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Given the location of most of Air defence systems near cost it should be pretty simple to destroy most of them . It can be done easily done by the Navy itself .
most of the SAM's are Russian from the 1970's. S-200's seem to be the mainstay but again 40 year old SAMS.
 

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We are going to hit his fuel depots and supply lines that are stretched 500km. Artillery units outside of town will be hit. Armour inside Benghazi will quickly run out of gas and ammo.
 

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French military jets over Libya


French military jets are preventing forces loyal to Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi from attacking the rebel-held city of Benghazi, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says.
It is believed to be the first act of intervention since the UN voted on Thursday for a no-fly zone over Libya.
Western and Arab leaders have been meeting in Paris to agree a course of action to confront Col Gaddafi.
"Our air force will oppose any aggression," Mr Sarkozy said.
Hours earlier, pro-Gaddafi forces launched an assault on the Libyan rebel stronghold of Benghazi, a BBC journalist witnessed.
However, the Libyan government has denied it is attacking.


French reconnaissance jets are clearly scoping out targets in Libya. I would assume there have been special forces on the ground as well, assessing potential targets.
The planning parts of enforcing this UN resolution have been very complex - we may be talking about 100 planes involved - so once you begin enforcing that no-fly zone, you need to think about enforcing it 24 hours a day to ensure no Libyan jets get up in the air, dividing up the tasks and the bases that are going to be used.
British jets will be performing a range of tasks, with RAF Tornadoes aiming at targets on the ground, Typhoons performing air-to-air sorties, and Awacs planes and Sentinel R1s helping with mapping the ground and reconnaissance.
The supposition is that an awful lot of the operation will be based in southern Italy and the Mediterranean.

French aircraft have also flown over "all Libyan territory" on reconnaissance missions, French military sources said earlier.
The French Rafale jets took off from their base at Saint-Dizier in eastern France, a source told the Agence France-Presse news agency.
The planes encountered no problems during the first few hours of their mission, the source said, and the flights would continue for the next several hours.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told journalists at the summit in Paris that he believed British, French and Canadian aircraft would launch the first airstrikes, the BBC's Carole Walker in Paris reports.
Asked if those strikes would take place later on Saturday, Mr Rutte admitted that was a possibility, our correspondent says.
'Anguished appeal' The new UN resolution authorises "all necessary measures" to protect Libyan civilians.
The international community was intervening to stop the "murderous madness" of Col Gaddafi, Mr Sarkozy said.
"In Libya, the civilian population, which is demanding nothing more than the right to choose their own destiny, is in mortal danger," he warned. "It is our duty to respond to their anguished appeal."
The rebels' leader had earlier appealed to the international community to stop the bombardment by pro-Gaddafi forces.
A jet also appears to have been shot down over Benghazi. A rebel spokesman was quoted as saying the downed jet was a rebel plane which had been shot down by pro-government forces.
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Ian Pannell in Benghazi: "The fighter jet... span out of control and plummeted to the ground"

Reports from Benghazi suggest hundreds of cars packed with people were fleeing eastwards as fighting spread.
The United Nations refugee agency says it is preparing to receive 200,000 people fleeing the fighting, amid reports of hundreds of cars full of people heading for the Egyptian border, while others are attempting to flee on foot.
The first families had arrived at the Egyptian border, extremely frightened and traumatised, saying some of their homes have been completely flattened said UNHCR spokeswoman Elizabeth Tan.
However, the BBC's Ben Brown, who is at the border, says so far there are a handful of families, in addition to the migrant workers who have been there since the crisis started.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said the world must "speak with one voice" on Libya.
 

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