One China? What about One India policy: Sushma Swaraj to Wang Yi

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Good to learn GoI has committed to One China since Vaj Payee.

Yet does that One China mantra has any binding force on India, who has been housing a "Tibetan Govmt in Exile" ??

Chinese are not gullible to fall for Indian doublespeak, but would rather deal with India from a position of strength.

Tibetan Government in Exile pulls no strings in the Indian power center. We let them be here so that they attract western and Japanese tourists, and Indian tourism industry earns USD.

Dalai Lama is our Jia Jia, not our Snowden.
 
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power cuts happen also in PRC often one only never reads too much about it. further the cost and use of power in PRC and efficiency and revenue comparison. but that is for another thread.

india concentration towards prc is becoming more advanced and sophisticated and more assets and resources and intellectual capital are being allocated like that was done and optimised with pakistan policy. this i had anticipated before the elections step by step.

the more fascinating analysis is why prc FM and prc PM and later prc President made and are making such trips.
 

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"one india" is brilliant catch phrase and can be used. the more fascinating analysis is why prc FM and prc PM and later prc President made and are making such trips. is it co-operation - is it trying to relegate and demote india importance (prc is the reason india will grow). i am wishing it is the first part.
 

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Yes from the Chinese leaders statement on border issue, Why beg for an early settlement ?... The aggressor wants to settle the issue in a hurry !!
:lol: The side that believes its current strength advantage will enable it to get a better negotiated outcome generally is the one that offers negotiations. It is not begging, not by a long shot.

Nor will India... We will continue to fight for what we think is ours...
And that is why Chinese diplomats think India is delusional. The strength gap between China and India is wider now than it has ever been, and grows wider by the day - and yet India somehow thinks it can change a de facto border?

Aksai Chin is India's... give it back so do the illegally transferred land in Pakistan's occupied Kashmir in 1963 to China...
If that is your point of view, you should march across the border, INSAS in hand, and see how long it takes before a drone's infrared picks you up and a 5.8mm burst stitches your intestines through your lungs.

Point being, you can make territorial claims all you want, but absent real conflict, you're never going to make them a reality. This holds true even if you are the stronger party - and here, India is the weaker party.

Laughable... See the hate rate of people of Tamang for China...
And do those people love India? Has anyone ever asked them whether they prefer the Union over being on their own?

There can not be any freedom of TIBET with out blood bath ... Xinjiang understood it well now.... It is high time TIBET put same practice in place...
Mmmm, go and tell it to Lobsang, and see how he reacts to an Indian person telling him to shed Tibetan blood for India's foreign policy goals.
 

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"one india" is brilliant catch phrase and can be used. the more fascinating analysis is why prc FM and prc PM and later prc President made and are making such trips. is it co-operation - is it trying to relegate and demote india importance (prc is the reason india will grow). i am wishing it is the first part.
It is a good catch-phrase. Maybe China should recommend it to Pakistan as well.

The more India pushes back on China, the more China will aid and abet Pakistan. India would be well-advised to refrain from poking China...
 

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:lol: The side that believes its current strength advantage will enable it to get a better negotiated outcome generally is the one that offers negotiations. It is not begging, not by a long shot.
Go on trying, let see how much you get out of current negotiations... Although I am not a GOI spokes person, as an Indian I do not see any negotiation on land that is Indian.

And that is why Chinese diplomats think India is delusional. The strength gap between China and India is wider now than it has ever been, and grows wider by the day - and yet India somehow thinks it can change a de facto border?
You can try another 1962 to test your so called strength gap with India...

India will continue to fight for what it is her's... the LAC is not final...

If that is your point of view, you should march across the border, INSAS in hand, and see how long it takes before a drone's infrared picks you up and a 5.8mm burst stitches your intestines through your lungs.
It is ours prerogative if we walk in with INSAS or a BAZUKA or rain in missiles to flush out the rats illegally occupying the Aksai Chin... The fact is India believes that Aksai Chin is Indian...

Point being, you can make territorial claims all you want, but absent real conflict, you're never going to make them a reality. This holds true even if you are the stronger party - and here, India is the weaker party.
let me repeat again, India will continue to claim what it believes is her's... Like it or not... with China's uneasiness...

Who knew that mighty Soviets will crumble with worlds biggest military machine.. in comparison China is kid spoiling for fight with its neighbors...

Watch out your nemesis in SCS they are at your throat...

And do those people love India? Has anyone ever asked them whether they prefer the Union over being on their own?
Their love for India in un questionable, you have to ask the same to the young minister of home affairs in Modi's govt Kiren Rijiju who come from Arunachal Pradesh and represents them... You will get a reply...

Mmmm, go and tell it to Lobsang, and see how he reacts to an Indian person telling him to shed Tibetan blood for India's foreign policy goals.
TIBET volunteers did a brilliant job in 1971 fighting shoulder to shoulder with Indian Army in the eastern war front...

TIBET will never forget that India stood by their difficult times...
 

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It is a good catch-phrase. Maybe China should recommend it to Pakistan as well.

The more India pushes back on China, the more China will aid and abet Pakistan. India would be well-advised to refrain from poking China...
U are saying there is some type of restraint. How unfortunate of poor Pakistan. In fact the two countries that have the most close relations with PRC over many years are not good precedent for others. (Pakistan and North Korea). Why don't we ask the pakis they open up their markets to PRC and india on the same terms and see what happens. It's only matter of time where even the pakis recognise they do not want to be like a North Korea and doing business with india is good even compared to PRC.

I am wishing the intention and motivation of PRC is good and not back-stabbing and deceiving. I wish to look ahead to talking more with you on good developments, but it is a fact that the intellectual capital that is being invested in india to deal and co-operate with PRC is increasing day by day and becoming more advanced. I am wishing that it will be for good. But india has the capabilities and capacity and the statement is not yours but mine:

PRC would be well-advised to refrain from poking India ...
 

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U are saying there is some type of restraint. How unfortunate of poor Pakistan. In fact the two countries that have the most close relations with PRC over many years are not good precedent for others. (Pakistan and North Korea). Why don't we ask the pakis they open up their markets to PRC and india on the same terms and see what happens. It's only matter of time where even the pakis recognise they do not want to be like a North Korea and doing business with india is good even compared to PRC.
You're implying Pakistan is somehow being taken advantage of for not opening up its markets to India - and yet, it is India that has consistently refused trade talks with Pakistan. China, on Pakistan's behalf, has offered to broker Indo-Pak trade talks on no less than seven occasions over the past twenty years, yet India has refused each time. No doubt Pakistan itself has tried to reach out to India as well. So if there is any deleterious effect suffered by Pakistan, the blame rests on India's side...

I am wishing the intention and motivation of PRC is good and not back-stabbing and deceiving. I wish to look ahead to talking more with you on good developments, but it is a fact that the intellectual capital that is being invested in india to deal and co-operate with PRC is increasing day by day and becoming more advanced. I am wishing that it will be for good. But india has the capabilities and capacity and the statement is not yours but mine:

PRC would be well-advised to refrain from poking India ...
The issue is that India regards everything that happens in its near vicinity as 'poking' it. China funds a commercial port in Sri Lanka for servicing its tradeships with Europe? Poking India, let's fund the 'peaceful' wings of the Tamil separatist movement. China's PM talks to Bhutan's PM for seven minutes at some meaningless little forum? Poking India, let's overthrow the Bhutan government.

China builds a highway to Pakistan? Poking India, it runs through Kashmir. China builds a port in Pakistan? Poking India, obviously China wants to park ships there as a big fat target for half the Indian Navy. China builds a nuclear power plant in Pakistan? China builds a cell phone tower in Pakistan? Poking India.

Hell, India even gets offended when the Maldives uses Chinese contractors to pave some runways at its airport, or even does surveying along the Brahmaputra in its own territory, because obviously that means China will dam the Brahmaputra and steal water from India (never mind that the surveys came back with the conclusion that the Tibetan part of that river doesn't generate enough water compared to the earthquake and landslide risk involved). About the only time India doesn't get offended is over things that actually matter, like Saudi support for LeT (the ONGC pays the KSA dollars which get recycled into ISI bombs), or the US Federal Reserve's Quantitative Easing hijacking India's control over the value of the Rupee, or the NSA spying on 40% of the Indian population via Facebook and Gmail.

By contrast, India has done some fairly dumb crap when it comes to its China policy, like hosting a Tibetan Government in Exile too weak to actually do anything to China, and refusing to settle the LoAC, instead dreaming of some future fantasy world where it gets to settle the border to its liking and carve Tibet out as a protectorate. For that amount of idiocy, China's response to India has been quite measured.
 
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Diplomatic chess!

Wonder what the PRC next move would be if we start claiming Kailash Mansarovor as well to counterbalance?

:lol:

You do realize that when Indian diplomats say such things, they are saying them for the benefit of their domestic electorate. China already has created its facts on the ground along the Sino-Indian border, and it is up to India to either accept and formalize the de facto reality or attempt to alter it by force. Absent a governmental collapse in China, it is unlikely that China will give up an inch of the land it controls.

As for the issue of stapled visas, it's a way to remind India that so long as it claims Aksai Chin, China will not relent on South Tibet.

Finally, someone - preferably an Indian journalist - should ask Lobsang Sangay whether he believes Arunachal is a part of India, or a part of Tibet. It would be interesting to watch him squirm as he tries not to piss off his Indian hosts while maintaining the allegiance of hardline Tibetan exiles.
 

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Diplomatic chess!

Wonder what the PRC next move would be if we start claiming Kailash Mansarovor as well to counterbalance?
The PRC would laugh, and invite you to 'come and take it'.
 

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You're implying Pakistan is somehow being taken advantage of for not opening up its markets to India - and yet, it is India that has consistently refused trade talks with Pakistan. China, on Pakistan's behalf, has offered to broker Indo-Pak trade talks on no less than seven occasions over the past twenty years, yet India has refused each time. No doubt Pakistan itself has tried to reach out to India as well. So if there is any deleterious effect suffered by Pakistan, the blame rests on India's side...



The issue is that India regards everything that happens in its near vicinity as 'poking' it. China funds a commercial port in Sri Lanka for servicing its tradeships with Europe? Poking India, let's fund the 'peaceful' wings of the Tamil separatist movement. China's PM talks to Bhutan's PM for seven minutes at some meaningless little forum? Poking India, let's overthrow the Bhutan government.

China builds a highway to Pakistan? Poking India, it runs through Kashmir. China builds a port in Pakistan? Poking India, obviously China wants to park ships there as a big fat target for half the Indian Navy. China builds a nuclear power plant in Pakistan? China builds a cell phone tower in Pakistan? Poking India.

Hell, India even gets offended when the Maldives uses Chinese contractors to pave some runways at its airport, or even does surveying along the Brahmaputra in its own territory, because obviously that means China will dam the Brahmaputra and steal water from India (never mind that the surveys came back with the conclusion that the Tibetan part of that river doesn't generate enough water compared to the earthquake and landslide risk involved). About the only time India doesn't get offended is over things that actually matter, like Saudi support for LeT (the ONGC pays the KSA dollars which get recycled into ISI bombs), or the US Federal Reserve's Quantitative Easing hijacking India's control over the value of the Rupee, or the NSA spying on 40% of the Indian population via Facebook and Gmail.

By contrast, India has done some fairly dumb crap when it comes to its China policy, like hosting a Tibetan Government in Exile too weak to actually do anything to China, and refusing to settle the LoAC, instead dreaming of some future fantasy world where it gets to settle the border to its liking and carve Tibet out as a protectorate. For that amount of idiocy, China's response to India has been quite measured.
India has had a visit from PRC pm and recently the PRC fm and upcoming PRC president. That's three big visits within span of short time. I am wishing these trips are for co-operation and not PRC trying to relegate and demote india importance (prc is the reason india will grow).

Your answer on indo paki trade is symbolic of that mindset where PRC wants to take credit when it's one of the reason for stalling from paki side. Pakistan is dreaming of a PRC renaissance that will uplift the demography and geography of Islamic state of Pakistan. You are putting the blame on india when the pains and sufferings of Pakistan originates from PRC. All I say is whatever terms PRC gets in Pakistan offer the same to india and see what happens. It will be a sudden impact. The mirage of PRC making Pakistan into a Dubai is clearing and the veil is being lifted to show that PRC is making Pakistan a North Korea in appearance and approach and demonstration. Further what's is the safeguard PRC has on Pakistan if it turns hostile towards PRC. That is a uncomfortable truth that is in PRC policy and it has to be there because of Pakistan relations with others (such as NATO and America and even india) that North Korea does not have.

Pakistan Delays Granting India Most-Favored-Nation Status - India Real Time - WSJ

The second part of your dictation is specific and turns on many parameters. The last paragraph is where the problem is. Proportionate and also measured response one assumes you are referring to. But you know from PRC trade figures with others that there are many other countries that have done worse to PRC and in fact do worse to PRC (by supporting dissents and even stretching one china principle and sometimes even making anti prc laws to dare I say supporting secessionist movements in PRC and even terrorism within PRC ) yet there are such specific examples of PRC and others where you refer to vis a vis india.

India response and behaviour to PRC has been measured and sometimes less but each day more and more intellectual capital and assets are being developed. India is becoming more advanced and sophisticated in dealing with PRC. This include people. I notice a certain critique where prc posters here are defaming their own PRC foreign ministry saying its stupid and useless. I don't know if it is a charade and if it's its acting and if it's true. That is the danger between PRC and india. The hierarchy and people in place in PRC dealing with india might not be of certain calibre and capability.

Iam wishing that the india and PRC relationship is good in years to come. But if PRC backstab and deceives the response from india will also be measured like PRC is doing these days (if your definition of measured is to be taken).

India has the capability and capacity but iam wishing that PRC and india move in a good direction that is good for the region and the world,

I look head to talking more with you and others like you in the future.

When narendra modi met wang yi with others also present in the room it downplayed the reason for PRC fm meeting. It is a test to see the honesty of PRC.
 
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The PRC would laugh, and invite you to 'come and take it'.
We need access to it like PRC needs access to its west. What was the dissuasions before 1962. PRC "came and took" in 1962 and now when it's india that wants access it's about repeating the past precedent accordingly. Have you ever thought there might be another way to deal with such things and not only war. PRC wants to have effective occupation in aksai chin and access to its west and india reminds PRC of its reasonable history on cession to provide access to mount kailash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cession
 
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Only way to guarantee an Asian century is for India and China to resolve their differences.
 

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We need access to it like PRC needs access to its west.
India has 'access' to the mountain. China has ownership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kailash

Every year, thousands make a pilgrimage to Kailash, following a tradition going back thousands of years. Pilgrims of several religions believe that circumambulating Mount Kailash on foot is a holy ritual that will bring good fortune. The peregrination is made in a clockwise direction by Hindus and Buddhists. Followers of the Jain and Bönpo religions circumambulate the mountain in a counterclockwise direction. The path around Mount Kailash is 52 km (32 mi) long.
China even banned people from climbing the mountain, out of deference to Hindu and Jain religious sensitivities.

Climbing the Mount Kailas is forbidden now, but the only persons to have ever been atop the sacred mountain are Karaikkal Ammeiyar one of the greatest figures of early Tamil literature. She was born at Karaikkal, South India, and probably lived during the 6th century. She was a great devotee of Lord Shiva, and Milarepa, a 11th century Tibetan Buddhist yogi.
Asking the PRC to cede that mountain on the basis of its significance to Indian tourists would be like China asking France to cede all the luxury malls in Paris on the basis that Chinese people love going there for China's national religion...
 

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Like India laughs, and invites PRC to 'come and take Arunachal'?
China has what it wants out of the border already - Aksai Chin, the road there, and a border with India cemented on mountain passes that slow down or inflict exposure casualties to infantry, are too rugged for tanks, and too windy for helicopters. It is India that keeps asking to get back what it does not have.
 
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And PRC does not keep asking to get back what it does not have? The so called "South Tibet"?

China has what it wants out of the border already - Aksai Chin, the road there, and a border with India cemented on mountain passes that slow down or inflict exposure casualties to infantry, are too rugged for tanks, and too windy for helicopters. It is India that keeps asking to get back what it does not have.
 

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And PRC does not keep asking to get back what it does not have? The so called "South Tibet"?
India is the one who publishes an article 3x per week on it; China stays mum.
 

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