Once Taboo, Germans' Anti-Israel Whispers Grow Louder

[Iamanidiot]

@Pmaitra Hitler would have sent all the Indians he deemed unworthy the Shudras and Dalits to the gas chambers.He did not get the chance for that.For the Indian PoWs he saw them as hired mercenaries who were not expendable in an increasingly tight scenario

 

[pmaitra]

@Pmaitra Hitler would have sent all the Indians he deemed unworthy the Shudras and Dalits to the gas chambers.He did not get the chance for that.For the Indian PoWs he saw them as hired mercenaries who were not expendable in an increasingly tight scenario

I don't think so, but then that's what I think (or do not think). We know for sure that Indian PoWs were not sent to the gas chambers, even before Netaji formally allied with Hitler. These are all facts.

 

[Tronic]

^^

Agreed. What I am saying is he would not have been dead if he were in Nazi Germany. Many Indians, apart from PoWs were also living there. They were not harmed.

Ah. I got your point.

IMO, It was only a matter of time the Nazis got to the Indians. The Jews were first in line simply because they were the most assimilated of the "non-Aryans".

 

[pmaitra]

^^

I see what you are saying. What is the guarantee, that if Hitler managed to kill all the Jews and win the WW2, that he would not have then turned his attention to Indians? Valid point.

 

[Tronic]

^^

I see what you are saying. What is the guarantee, that if Hitler managed to kill all the Jews and win the WW2, that he would not have then turned his attention to Indians? Valid point.

Yes.

And to elaborate further on another point you raised;

Hitler changed his mind about Indians. Moreover, Indians were still considered Indo-Aryans. If Hitler did not think any better of Indians, he would have sent them to the gas chambers.

Most Indians and Iranians, who consider themselves the "true Aryans", forget the fact that Hitler's Aryans did not originate from Iran, they originated from Scandinavia. The Nazis considered the Nordic people to be the true Aryans, not Iranians.

The Nazis did believe that a few Iranians and Indians (only the upper caste) had Nordic/Aryan blood; but they believe that these people had been "racially degenerated" by mixing with "inferior people".

Therefore Indians would probably have gotten the same treatment the Jewish "Mischlings" would have got after the war, if not worse.

 

[Son of Govinda]

This is what Hitler writes in Mein Kempf:



Had an Indo-German army marched into India through the West, it would only be to replace British rule with German, not to end colonial rule.

That quote is bullshit. I've read both volumes of Mein Kampf in their original German. That quote itself is clearly past tense, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in 1925 14 years before WW2 even broke out, he had no vision of an indo-German army back in 1925.

 

[Son of Govinda]

Ah. I got your point.

IMO, It was only a matter of time the Nazis got to the Indians. The Jews were first in line simply because they were the most assimilated of the "non-Aryans".

"Our racial pride is not aggressive except in so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race. There does, however, exist a community, to which, in fact, the term can be applied and the existence of which is admitted by the Jews themselves. It is the spiritually homogeneous group, to membership of which all Jews throughout the world deliberately adhere, regardless of their whereabouts and of their country of domicile; and it is this group of human beings to which we give the title Jewish race. It is not, mark you, a religious entity; although the Hebrew religion serves them as a pretext to present themselves as such." - Adolf Hitler

Like I said opposition to and genocide of the Jews is nothing unique to Hitler. He is no different than any of the other leaders that have tried to exterminate the Jews. Those gas chambers were reserved exclusively for the Jews, and Gypsies.

Netaji even openly violated the German purity laws and married a German Austrian girl in 1937 and had a half-German daughter that survived the war.

 

[Naren1987]

the red army saved the world !
you [edited] do the crimes of soviet union
redeem the Nazi Satan from its own crimes ???!!!!!

may god forgive you moral relativist scum that you are

They were still a necessary evil,
I, for one, believe that the Germans should've won the second world war.
I don't know, had Col Stauffenberg succeeded in July 20th,, and the Wehrmacht were led by saner Generals and with Anglo Saxon allies.
They could've exterminated Communism, then and there.

All he's trying to say is, that ridding Poland of Nazism came at the cost of Bolshevik installation of Marxist regimes which bled the whole of eastern Europe(including Poland) dry.
Not a wise trade off, IMHO, the Saxons should have stayed out of the second world war.

 

[Naren1987]

@Pmaitra Hitler would have sent all the Indians he deemed unworthy the Shudras and Dalits to the gas chambers.He did not get the chance for that.For the Indian PoWs he saw them as hired mercenaries who were not expendable in an increasingly tight scenario

You really need to do more research on Hitler,
He was a National Socialist, he was actually pro-working class.
We are not taught the real history of the second world war.
Hitler was definitely bad, just not that bad.

 

[Naren1987]

Are you a tall fair blue eyed blonde haired Aryan...?

If not I'm sure a Bolsheveik world is better for you.

Oh puh-leeeze, the man had plenty of non whites in the Waffen SS.
We would've done just fine.

 

[methos]

Mr. Grass has some points supporting at least partial his opinions. But interesting to see that Godwin's law is working as always.

 

[pack leader]

Mr. Grass has some points supporting at least partial his opinions. But interesting to see that Godwin's law is working as always.

what valid points are you talking about
seriously accepting Israel is a threat to world peace
is like blaming Poland and Czechoslovakia for the start off ww2
in refusing to surrender to Hitler

 

[Tronic]

That quote is bullshit. I've read both volumes of Mein Kampf in their original German. That quote itself is clearly past tense, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in 1925 14 years before WW2 even broke out, he had no vision of an indo-German army back in 1925.

The quote does not mention any Indo-German army, it projects Hitler's racist character (not that killing Jewish folks didn't already do that).

"Our racial pride is not aggressive except in so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race. There does, however, exist a community, to which, in fact, the term can be applied and the existence of which is admitted by the Jews themselves. It is the spiritually homogeneous group, to membership of which all Jews throughout the world deliberately adhere, regardless of their whereabouts and of their country of domicile; and it is this group of human beings to which we give the title Jewish race. It is not, mark you, a religious entity; although the Hebrew religion serves them as a pretext to present themselves as such." - Adolf Hitler

Every quote you post about Hitler only goes further to build his racist character. According to Hitler, the Jews were of the same blood and a target. They could not even denounce their own religion, or convert out of Judaism to survive. They were targets for having "Jewish blood".

The animal committed brutal hate crimes, a genocide of people based on nothing but simply what social group they belonged to.

Like I said opposition to and genocide of the Jews is nothing unique to Hitler. He is no different than any of the other leaders that have tried to exterminate the Jews.

Let the Jewish people decide that.

Those gas chambers were reserved exclusively for the Jews, and Gypsies.

and Homosexuals, ones with physical disabilities and other religious groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hitler killed anywhere between 11 million - 17 million people; of whom 6 million were Jews.

And besides that fact, it is sickening to simply shrug the gas chambers off as "oh, they were only for the Jews and Gypsies, not for us".

Indian neo-Nazis are a bad joke.

Netaji even openly violated the German purity laws and married a German Austrian girl in 1937 and had a half-German daughter that survived the war.

Lucky for him to have survived prosecution.

 

[pmaitra]

It's good to see some interesting perspectives.

Let's face it, for an Indian, it was a priority to get rid of the British. Anyone else's suffering, no matter how compelling, cannot have and could not have had a greater importance than freeing India from the British.

 

[methos]

what valid points are you talking about
seriously accepting Israel is a threat to world peace
is like blaming Poland and Czechoslovakia for the start off ww2
in refusing to surrender to Hitler

I think you should read the poem instead of basing your opinion on what the media tells you. He mentions that Ahmadinejad does talk much but his actions are very scarce - because he probably know that any military conflict will lead to an Iranian defeat. With this he alludes among others to the fact that currently the only "miliatry actions" of the Iran are selling weapons, what has been done by NATO and allies in Lybia, Syria etc.
He points out that their are currently plans and covenants for an preemptive invasion of the Iran because the Iran is "believed" to try building a nuclear weapon, while Israel does have nuclear weapons and not signed any international treaties regarding them. And this is his main point - Israel does have nuclear weapons and no international ogranization (not even UN ones) and Grass believes that a preemptive strike from Isreal is more likely, because they give a shit about international law as they have shown in 1967 and 1981.
That he has been called anti-semitic, both by national and international media (and the Israeli government) did he predict. He criticizes that the Germans again give the Israeli navy submarines (with the capability to launch nuclear-armed missiles) for reduced-costs as "compensations". Currently Israel is to be considered a threat to the world-peace, because at some point of time the Iranians might care about the high amount of causalities in the rows of their scientists - when they then find the guilties (and most probable it's the Mossad) then the Iran can attack Israel justified by international law and morale. His poem is not "biassed" or "anti-semitic" as some people claim, he is pacifist (like the greatest majority of the Germans) and his poem is an appeal for prevention of violence/war.

 

[Son of Govinda]

Let the Jewish people decide that.



and Homosexuals, ones with physical disabilities and other religious groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hitler killed anywhere between 11 million - 17 million people; of whom 6 million were Jews.

How about no. I'll let impartial scholars with nothing to gain decide that, and they've already debunked the Jewish myth of Hitler wanting to kill all non-Germans.
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The Aktion T4 program has nothing to do with concentration camps, and besides I agree with it 100%:

"Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a discerning diagnosis." - Adolf Hitler

Hitler never once targeted the physically disabled, many physically disabled survived the war. It was reserved for the mentally and congenitally diseased.
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Hitler was well aware of everything Netaji was doing within the Reich. He avoided prosecution simply because Hitler chose not to prosecute him.

 

[spikey360]

what valid points are you talking about
seriously accepting Israel is a threat to world peace
is like blaming Poland and Czechoslovakia for the start off ww2
in refusing to surrender to Hitler

Hitler invaded all of those countries, I don't see an Iranian invasion of The Tiny State of Israel occuring.
Stop comparing the Iranians to the Nazis and certainly stop thinking that you are in any way superior to them. Your intolerance of anything and everything that you imagine as your existential threat is a throwback to the times of Hitler and Stalin. Remember, the righteous wins the day. Don't be on the wrong side of history by invading Iran and turning the tables against yourself. Even if Uncle Sam protects you, there are limitations to such protection. And supposing the German public sentiment changes, may the Lord save you.

 

[pack leader]

How about no. I'll let impartial scholars with nothing to gain decide that, and they've already debunked the Jewish myth of Hitler wanting to kill all non-Germans.
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The Aktion T4 program has nothing to do with concentration camps, and besides I agree with it 100%:

"Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a discerning diagnosis." - Adolf Hitler

Hitler never once targeted the physically disabled, many physically disabled survived the war. It was reserved for the mentally and congenitally diseased.
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Hitler was well aware of everything Netaji was doing within the Reich. He avoided prosecution simply because Hitler chose not to prosecute him.

1) there is no such thing as impartial ever
2) killing guiltless people that don't meet some random standard is dangerous
i can offer too kill any group off people with the same rational
we can kill all black people and ride the world off aids
or maybe kill all the Indians and remove a third off the worlds poor

 

[pack leader]

I think you should read the poem instead of basing your opinion on what the media tells you. He mentions that Ahmadinejad does talk much but his actions are very scarce - because he probably know that any military conflict will lead to an Iranian defeat. With this he alludes among others to the fact that currently the only "miliatry actions" of the Iran are selling weapons, what has been done by NATO and allies in Lybia, Syria etc.
He points out that their are currently plans and covenants for an preemptive invasion of the Iran because the Iran is "believed" to try building a nuclear weapon, while Israel does have nuclear weapons and not signed any international treaties regarding them. And this is his main point - Israel does have nuclear weapons and no international ogranization (not even UN ones) and Grass believes that a preemptive strike from Isreal is more likely, because they give a shit about international law as they have shown in 1967 and 1981.
That he has been called anti-semitic, both by national and international media (and the Israeli government) did he predict. He criticizes that the Germans again give the Israeli navy submarines (with the capability to launch nuclear-armed missiles) for reduced-costs as "compensations". Currently Israel is to be considered a threat to the world-peace, because at some point of time the Iranians might care about the high amount of causalities in the rows of their scientists - when they then find the guilties (and most probable it's the Mossad) then the Iran can attack Israel justified by international law and morale. His poem is not "biassed" or "anti-semitic" as some people claim, he is pacifist (like the greatest majority of the Germans) and his poem is an appeal for prevention of violence/war.

bullshit
we are proud to not give a ---- about world opinion no one will fight for us and no one will die with us
history has one rule the winners write the rules and tell the story the losers are buried in unmarked graves
pacifist die first (no will to defend itself) and europussy attitude will destroy Europe

p.s : many innocent Israelis died in Iranian terrorist attacks in Israel and abroad directly or by proxy
and the price for Jewish blood is expensive we will make sure off that

 

[p2prada]

or maybe kill all the Indians and remove a third off the worlds poor

We can kill all the Jews and see world peace, or at least peace in the Middle East. We can give their money to all the poor Indians. So many problems solved by just killing 7 million people. Easy peasy.

Nobody is guilty, all are innocent.

For the Bolsheviks, Stalin was their Devil. For the Jews it was Hitler. For the Indians it was the British. For the Chinese it was the Japanese and so on and so forth.

I don't see how by proving Hitler was mean to the Jews can you prove all others were angels.

There is no such thing as "my problem is bigger than yours."

As an Indian, for me, Hitler is a nobody.