OBOR and CPEC Developments

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  1. mayfair

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    Where did I say that I am not feeling sorry for the Americans or for that matter the Chinese?

    What did you take from this post of mine?
     
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    Economically, it started way back in the Cold War era. Nixon poured Murican $$ into China to keep it away from the Soviet lure. They were chaddi-buddies back then, to the point that they even advised China to invade India in 1971. The Muricans are proper Baniyas. They have no problems suspending their "moral positions" if there's economic gains to be made. Just yesterday Trump has said that the US must not impose sanctions on Saudis because they are buying 100 billion $ worth of weapons. So, they'll sell weapons to them and make money now, knowing fully well that the regime does not align with US "values and interests" and when the Saudi - Iran strategic balance is upset and Iran makes an aggressive move, they'll move to contain Iran. They prefer this choreography over not giving weapons to the Wahabbi state in the first place.

    Their calculation with China was the same. They poured money into China knowing fully well that China was rebuilding its military capabilities and would become an assertive challenger in 3 decades but they still propped them up for their short term goal of keeping them away from the Soviet bloc. Now they are propping up India to contain China, just like they have propped up Pakistan to contain India and Afghanistan to contain Pakistan. China hasn't grown hidden from the gaze of Unkil. The US has been watching the developments in China all along since 3 decades.
     
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    Well, I think the two of posts you've quoted are more of responses of bias against India. Obviously, US pushed for China & if SCS issue wasn't there, China would have been closer to US than Russia.
     
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    I would like to remind the U.S.A. opened its door for China during President Nixon's visit after Henry Kissinger negotiated peace in Vietnam. They were dreaming at that time to have a long term alliance with China to counter Soviet Union. China screwed USA by stealing their missile and space technology and has joined hands with Russian. Even Pakistan has screwed USA by abandoning and leaving them in cold.
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/12/chi...lt-and-road-projects-amid-trade-war-citi.html

    China will likely speed up its Belt and Road projects amid US tensions: Citi
    • China will likely speed up infrastructure projects in its ambitious Belt and Road Initiative amid trade tensions with the United States, Citi said in a report Tuesday.
    • Chinese construction, transportation, mining and finance companies are poised to benefit, it said.
    • Citi suggested that China may be forced to modify the project into a "kinder, gentler" version that would sit better with its critics
    On the other hand.
     
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    Hope China now realizes that opposing India with muscle on Azhar, CPEC, Doklam etc. is not going to help.
     
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    Saudi Arabia To Build $10 Billion Oil Refinery In Pakistan's Gwadar

    When there's no water in Gwadar, how they are going to build such a massive oil refinery? It's probably going to be a flop show of galactic proportions!

    Last year, Saudi Arabia offered Pakistan a $6 billion package that included help to finance crude imports too. What's with these sheikhs? Too much dosh to throw around in spite of oil hitting new lows?
     
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    They also have too much money to invest like China. Pakistan probably is the best bet for them as they are ready to give away anything they have at the moment in order to revive their economy.

    Oil refinery will solve many issues Pak is facing, plus KSA will be able to secure(control) a permanent customer for their oil, just in case Pak tries to be a sovereign KSA will exploit them using these investments.
     
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    China-Pakistan corridor slows down as Beijing stops funding it over corruption allegations
    The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is a crucial part of the Belt and Road Initiative, but differences have emerged over its usefulness and funding.
    Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd) Updated: 23 April, 2019 11:33 am IST
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    Satellite images show a few interchanges observed in the lower heights of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, connecting important towns and roads with the CPEC | Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd) / ThePrint
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    New Delhi: The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is one of the most important elements of President Xi Jinping’s trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative. It is also a big sticking point in India’s relationship with China.

    Just last week, foreign minister Wang Yi appealed to India to shed its opposition to the corridor, saying it in no way “undermined” the basic position on Kashmir. The appeal came ahead of the Belt and Road Forum Beijing is hosting from 25 to 27 April, in which 37 heads of state and government have confirmed their participation, including Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.

    However, not all is well with the CPEC.

    Khan’s government in Pakistan seems to believe that the corridor will bring little benefit to the country unless proper agreements are signed with China. The Pakistani army’s generals seem to echo the sentiment, going by the remarks of its Southern Army Commander Lt.Gen. Aamer Riaz.

    #Pakistan #GOC #SouthernComd& #12Corps #LtGenAamerRiaz on #CPEC.Will only repair&feed unless proper agreements made.I'm Paki 1st.Very candid pic.twitter.com/Vk2AdSEs5F

    — 卫纳夜格@Raj (@rajfortyseven) April 22, 2017


    As reported by ThePrint in November 2017, work on the CPEC was progressing at a fast pace. But China is believed to have stopped funding CPEC projects over charges of corruption, and by mid-2018, Pakistan’s National Highway Authority was in a financial crisis since Chinese cheques worth $3.5 billion were not cleared. Recently, a controversy erupted due to the alleged siphoning of 2,400 crore Pakistani rupees ($171.6 million) from the CPEC to other non-BRI projects.

    ThePrint takes a look at the slowdown in the progress of the CPEC in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province through satellite imagery.

    Sluggish pace
    The pace of CPEC-related projects seems very sluggish as compared to 2016-17, especially near towns and cities.

    The progress is not concurrent at many locations, while at some place, it has virtually come to a standstill. The mountainous terrain seems to be compounding the problems of cutting and grading work.

    In 2016-17, 121 km of cutting and grading work was completed, while in 2018, just 53 km was possible.

    Road alignment
    The alignment of CPEC roads has been away from existing roads, especially in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. This assists in the construction work as it does not hamper the continuous flow of traffic.

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    Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd) / ThePrint
    However, surprisingly, the alignment of the old Karakoram Highway (KKH) and the new CPEC road from Battagram to Thakot is almost the same, until where the last alignment can be observed on satellite imagery. This has created many difficulties in traffic management — traffic jams can be observed from space, as can a water-drenched road near the exit of the Chinjal tunnel.

    The alignment of the CPEC has reached very close to the Indus river near Thakot, but hasn’t yet crossed the river. No construction material or mountain cutting is noticed beyond Thakot.

    Storage areas
    A large number of ‘storage areas’ have been earmarked along the CPEC road for storing raw material and accommodating the staff and workers of the project. These are mainly subdivided into three blocks — storage areas, construction area and living area.

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    Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd) / ThePrint
    The storage areas generally have cement mixer plants, with some barracks for stocking of raw material and for motor transport.

    Construction areas are always observed with concrete girder blocks being prepared and stored nearby after the drying process is over. Two or three cranes are seen at these places for lifting these concrete girders.

    The living areas typically consist of barracks, generally gable-roofed with blue corrugated galvanised iron (CGI) sheets.

    Two tunnels
    Two tunnels are observed in the newly-constructed 53 km stretch of CPEC road in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

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    The first one crosses Qiam Gali, with a length of 2,600 m. It has obviously damaged the environment and destroyed large tracts of the Khabbal Reserved Forest.

    The second is seen at Chanjal village, about 1 km, cutting across the mountain.

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    Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd) / ThePrint
    Both are single tunnels with a width of 10 m each. However, both locations are likely to see twin tunnels sooner rather than later.

    Toll booths
    There are a few interchanges observed in the lower heights of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, connecting important towns and roads with the CPEC.

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    Col. Vinayak Bhat (retd) / ThePrint
    The interchanges are all manned with toll booths on incoming and outgoing traffic connections. These toll booths typically have four lanes for smooth flow of traffic.

    Security posts have been created beyond the toll booths, with provisions for staff to live in.




    https://theprint.in/diplomacy/china...unding-it-over-corruption-allegations/224941/
     
  14. Check this. Paki pigs complaining about Chinese occupation and cruelty ! Talk about the pot calling the kettle back. :biggrin2:
    Majaa aagaya

     
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    The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor has a weak link, satellite images show





    Ever since China cut funding for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor over corruption allegations, work on the trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative, President Xi Jinping’s dream project, has been progressing slowly.

    India has also raised objections to the project a number of times, since the corridor passes through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.

    But now, satellite imagery shows that the CPEC has a weak link — the road through Gojal Valley in the Gilgit-Baltistan region of the Karakoram mountains. ThePrint takes a closer look at why it could be the Achilles Heel of the CPEC.




    Massive landslide ::

    On 4 January 2010, a massive landslide occurred near Attabad, blocking the Hunza river and the Karakoram Highway (KKH). The enormity of the landslide was understood only by March 2010, when almost 30 kilometres of the KKH went under water and many villages upstream were flooded.

    The 142 Road Maintenance Battalion (RMB) under the Frontier Works Organisation (FWO) was pressed into service, supposedly with the help of Chinese engineers, to create a spillway through 2.5 billion cubic feet of debris damming the Hunza river.

    There were indications about an impending disaster on satellite imagery as old as 2006, since the landslide at Attabad became active. The image clearly shows a dam being formed across the river with boulders from the landslide, in an almost man-made fashion.

    The difficult job of clearing the landslide started in March 2010, but hardly made a dent in the 130m-200m high natural dam.

    The people of Gojal got frustrated due to apathy displayed by the government of Pakistan, and started working on the spillway, losing precious lives in the process.

    The damming of the Hunza river waters created a huge lake, stretching up to 30 km behind the landslide zone, beyond the town of Pasu. Residents then started using the lake to travel by boat. Today, the Hunza Lake or Attabad Lake has stabilised at 9 km from the spillway near Attabad.

    The massive efforts to open the road link were unsuccessful, so Pakistan sought the help of China and the World Bank.

    Five tunnels covering a total of approximately 8 km were dug, and in 2016, the KKH was finally reopened for through traffic after six-and-a-half years. The first large convoy sent on this road was a car rally from Beijing to Muscat, Oman.

    The old Shishkat bridge, which had been washed away after remaining under water for four years, and a new bridge, whose piers had been completed before 2010, was finally constructed.


    Status in different seasons ::

    Although the KKH has been open for nearly three years now, traffic has to be restrained due to the tunnels en route being small in size, and not being able to take sustained two-way traffic.

    In summer, images from the last couple of months show a turquoise-coloured lake with some water sports taking place on it. The road is open for traffic, indicated by vehicles observed on the road.

    However, it is in the winter months, between October and March, that the road becomes a weak link for the CPEC, because it is blocked due to heavy snowfall and remains closed for traffic.

    On clear days, satellite images display a frozen lake with an ice layer on the top. Those wishing to travel in and out of Gojal have to trek about 8-10 km on the lake with their loads.

    The Chinese have not yet decided to invest in this area, possibly due to a combination of reasons, including pressure from India and other countries. But this weakness in the CPEC could also have factored into its hesitation.


    https://theprint.in/defence/the-chi...has-a-weak-link-satellite-images-show/261945/
     
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    Pakistan’s conspiracy to sideline China from CPEC

    Even though China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) bears the names of China and Pakistan but in near future China will either be completely expelled from the project or its control and position will be limited to a mare partnership, because like rest of the world, Pakistan also doesn’t want China to take over Gwadar like the Zimbabwe and Sri Lankan ports in the name of being unable to repay the loans.

    Previously, Malaysia cancelled the 27 billion dollars high speech train project to Singapore and the 20 billion Dollar Eastern Coast 688 Kilometre strip Railway link project connecting to West was also cancelled. Apparently, the excuse was that Malaysia would not benefit from these projects by China because China was importing all the machinery and labour for these projects from China. Hence, the money spent on these projects would go back to China.

    Recently, two African nations Sierra Leone cancelled the ‘Belt and Road Initiative’ project of 318 Million Dollar and Tanzania also cancelled 10 Billion Dollar projects under the same project because they realised that this is the worst form of colonialism under which China wants burry poor/underdeveloped nation under the burden of loans knowing too well that these countries cannot repay the loans so that they will have to gamble their freedom. Hence, they announced to distance themselves from these projects and save themselves from eternal slavery. There was the possibility that these Chinese projects could benefit them and provide temporary relief but they [above mentioned] countries refused these self-suicidal plans. Concerning this, a Washington based Think Tank ‘Centre for Global Development’ after a thorough analysis concluded that Maldives, Laos, Pakistan, Djibouti, Mongolia, Montenegro, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan would get buried under the Chinese Loan and it would be difficult for them to stand on their feet ever again.

    The Pakistani authorities have also realised long ago that in the name of friendship, they are badly trapped under China’s Loans and partnership and if the Loan taking and ‘partnership’ continued with the same pace then no power in the world can save Pakistan from becoming a colony of China. But Pakistani rulers due to their immense internal and external, economic and political problems were not in a position to directly refuse China’s [Loans], on the other hand, because of their agreements with China about CPEC, the USA and other powers were not happy. Pakistan in its efforts to appease the US has taken two extreme steps to trap the US in its evil net. On one had it spread the rumours of Pak-Russia corridor, like CPEC, and claimed to get along with Russia and on the other hand, pressed America’s weakest point – Afghanistan – and increased terror attacks to bring in new powers. At present more than 20 active terrorist groups in Afghanistan are operating under direct payroll of ISI whereas Taliban and Daesh (ISIS) have their own groups and also groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad have their bases on Pak-Afghan border and they freely carry out attacks on that side of border [in Afghanistan] and come back to their safe haven in this side [Pakistan] without any deterrence. According to one survey, Lashkar-e-Taiba is 5th powerful terror group among other terror outfits in Afghanistan. Hence, Pakistan under its blackmailing tradition has scared America about the arrival of China and Russia in the region and at the same time increased terror attacks on US forces in Afghanistan.

    In this marsh of uncertainty, America and its allies were contemplating new strategies to keep Afghanistan and the entire region in their control as Pakistan presented apparently an attractive plan under which Pakistan has agreed to expel China from Gwadar, the agreements with Russia will go ahead with the approval of the USA and Pakistan will get the Taliban to negotiate with the USA to give America a safe passage on their exit to Afghanistan.

    Unfortunately, America despite its previous negative statements and distrust on Pakistan has got carried away by Pakistan’s blackmailing tricks. Hence, the USA’s tune started to soften, the Taliban become a political power instead of a terrorist group and US-Taliban dialogue started. America on its part to appease Pakistan has convinced Saudi Arab to invest in an oil refinery in Gwadar. The 1958 agreement between Pakistani president Iskander Mirza and Shah of Iran during the second Baloch resistance has also played a key role in convincing Saudi for investment in Gwadar. Under this agreement, Pakistan would not exploit Balochistan oil deposits on the ground and in Sea. (It was estimated equal six Trillion barrel) which would badly impact oil exploration companies of Iran and in return, Iran would also continue its politics and would support Pakistan diplomatically and militarily. In the past under this same agreement (1958), whenever the Baloch started their freedom movement, Iran helped Pakistan on all fronts. Currently, (even today) Iran supports Pakistan to crush the Baloch freedom struggle and supports all conspiracies to internally weaken the Baloch freedom movement.

    It is possible that in the first phase Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates will invest in Gwadar, in the second phase the US will also ask Qatar to invest in Gwadar despite its disagreements with Saudi and Emirates and in the third phase the United State will also join its allies in Gwadar investment scheme – their collective investment, according to initial information, will be between 50-60- billion dollar but by 2030 the year of CPEC’s completion their investment will reach to 110 -120 billion dollar whereas by that time China will have spent roughly 90-95 billion dollars.

    Saudi Arabia has so far signed agreements of around 10 billion dollars and is in the process of buying 30-36 acre land on the coastal belt of Balochistan. Now that several Arab countries headed by the USA have agreed to invest in Gwadar that is why it is not difficult for Pakistan to formally invite Russia to join CPEC and advance with the idea of Pak-Russia Economics Corridor so that all powers are linked with CPEC in one way or the other and to get the sympathy of all powers against the Baloch national struggle for freedom. The Baloch nation at present consider CPEC and other such ‘development projects’ a threat to their existence and they are not hesitating from any sort of sacrifice and pay any price to thwart this threat.

    Expelling China at the cost of Baloch and Afghans: Pakistan despite its negative attitude toward the US and suffering the worst economic crisis has succeeded in making a deal with America under which it will create difficulties for China’s CPEC.

    The military dismissed Nawaz Sharif’s government to prove their seriousness because they feared that he will not agree with their conspiracies against this project (CPEC) and creates unnecessary hurdles for it. OR it would be difficult and take longer to make him understand and Pakistan was already running out of time because the dollars they were getting in return for their ‘golden bird’ – Balochistan and they did not want to lose it. The embezzlement of Chinese loans would force China to expel them from Gwadar and Balochistan. Hence, they could neither have Balochistan nor would Pakistan remain intact.

    Due to internal conflict the pace of CPEC has slowed down and China-Pakistan relations went back to the cold storage because of this the Baltistan energy project was also put into cold storage and 171.6 million dollars were distributed to governing party Member of Parliament (MPs) and Member of National Assemblies (MNAs) under the ‘Prime Minister Development Schemes’ project this, however, was unacceptable for China. But, like Pakistan, China is also blackmailed as the agreements they signed with Pakistan military – let alone ordinary men even the parliament has no clue about them – certainly, the Pakistani rulers have got their share from those secret deals and the real owners of Balochistan, the Baloch nation, would get further furious and this could shake up the conscience of the international community as well.

    China knows that the agreements it has signed with Pakistan and the way Pakistan adopted terrorism as state policy and got badly caught in it, that is why Pakistan cannot play any card for a longer period and even if it decreases its internal and external pressure and convinces the US to some extent but in the near future, Pakistani will break its promises with the USA and displeases it further. Hence, the addicted countries will once again put its head down to go back to China to beg for help. For the reasons above China is avoiding issuing and harsh statement against Pakistan despite involving others in CPEC, transferring CPEC fund to other departments, slow down in the pace of CPEC projects and huge irregularities in employments and student visas by Pakistani authorities which are causing a further sense of alienation of local people and instils deliberate hatred in the heart of local people.

    As a result of its multidimensional fraud, Pakistan gained simultaneous relieve and it also helped to:
    1. Defuse international pressure on Pakistan to some extent because of which Pakistan was facing the worst isolation.
    2. Drone attack against its terrorist assets have stopped
    3. Pakistan started to get loans from the IMF and other countries
    4. Pakistan-backed Taliban have been recognised as a political power
    5. US policy seems to have changed about Baloch liberation struggle and it proscribed BLA as a terrorist organisation
    6. Most importantly, Pakistan will bring a caretaker Taliban government in Afghanistan of its own choice and completely bypass the Ashraf Ghani’s government which come in power with the blessing of USA.
    A thorough observation shows that the US will gain nothing from this deal and Pakistan will be the only beneficiary even if these benefits are temporary.

    However, the USA is leaving the Baloch and Afghans at the mercy of Pakistan and its allied terrorist groups on the false assurance of Pakistan that not only it will help provide a safe passage to the US for its exit from Afghanistan but it [Pakistan] will also protect US interest in Afghanistan. On the contrary, the fact, however, is that to loosen the Chinese grip in the region Pakistan will isolate the USA in this region and create numerous difficulties for it. Whether it abandoning the Afghans and US silence on Baloch genocide Pakistan – a time will come when America will be forced to repeat its narrative that ‘we have given billions of dollars to Pakistan and it strengthened terrorist groups with our money and prepared them against us and to butcher our people.’

    The end word: The world powers including the US should not be under this flawed impression that Taliban will merge with common people and live a peaceful life and support a government as per wishes of Afghan people. They [Pakistan-backed Taliban] will not allow an Afghan lead Afghan government because of Pakistan. as its evil presence in Afghanistan is obvious not only in the shape of Taliban but numerous other shapes. Also, Pakistan is fighting a direct war in Afghanistan. Pakistan will continue and intensify this war until it completely occupies Afghanistan like Balochistan or Pakistan is broken into different pieces. The thought of a third option is an illusion and a misconception because there is no third option. Pakistan has once again tricked America to walk a dangerous one-way trek.

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