Obama okay with Beijing monitoring Indo-Pak ties: What's your take?

[Yusuf]

The best Indian reaction to this is to NOT react at all. Turn a deaf ear to all they have to say. Why waste energy in saying its Indias internal matter and that we dont want third party mediation. By doing that only we internationalize the issue. Just shut up and carry on what we have been doing all these years. Spend our energy on issues we have in hand.

Even when the PM goes to the US, he should not bring up the issue at all and crib about the US statement. In fact he should politely change the topic of discussion even if Obama brings it up. That will make it clear to the US what India thinks of their policy.

 

[badguy2000]

why make such a fuss about such a trifle?

 

[Yusuf]

Badguy, for the first time you have said something that i agree with.

 

[proud_hindustani]

China just shook its head to agree on Obama's Idea but in fact, nothing is gonna happen.

 

[proud_hindustani]

Obama will be the president:

to hand Taiwan over to China
lose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
dissolve NATO
destroy the dollar
turn USA into a third world country
take USA from a superpower to a welfare state
bankrupt the nation
have Iran go nuclear
destroy the USA-Israeli alliance
make NPT,CTBT,FMCT useless

Such things won't happen my yankee friend.

 

[arya]

hi

guys no one care you until you think about your self we have to show the world that we are not too soft state i hope u will understand my meaning

just think why Indian are facing problem in Australia they think we are too soft that we will not not reply them we have to show china and usa that we are a power and we can also stand as china

we have to make our force more strong and we have to increase our numbers in all field china and India are two power and only one lion can take place we have to make our slef more strong in all field


yes china diid a lot of work but we can do much better if we really do our best

think guys

vinram mano par kayar nahi

jai hind

 

[Daredevil]

India rules out third party role in ties with Pak

November 18, 2009 17:33 IST

India's irritation at the reference to Indo-Pak ties in the joint communiqué issued by United States President Barack Obama [ Images ] and his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao was apparent from an official statement issued on Wednesday making it clear that a third party role was not necessary.
Sticking to its stand that no 'meaningful dialogue' can take place unless there was a terror-free environment, Union External Affairs Ministry spokesperson said, "The government of India is committed to resolving all outstanding issues with Pakistan through a peaceful bilateral dialogue in accordance with the Simla Agreement. A third country role cannot be envisaged nor is it necessary. We also believe that a meaningful dialogue with Pakistan can take place only in an environment free from terror or the threat of terror."

The reaction came a day after both Obama and Hu voiced support for the improvement in Indo-Pak ties and their readiness to promote peace and stability in the region, listing the situation in South Asia among regional and global challenges.

The two countries 'support the improvement and growth of relations between India and Pakistan,' and are ready to 'strengthen communication, dialogue and cooperation on issues related to South Asia and work together to promote peace, stability and development in that region,' said the joint statement, issued at the conclusion of the talks between the two leaders.

US ambassador to India Timothy J Roemer, meanwhile, described as a 'positive statement' the mention of Indo-Pakistan relations in the US-China joint statement.

"I have not really taken a close look at the joint statement at this point. The two countries (US and China) have said they would work for a more stable and peaceful relationship between the countries in South Asia. I think that is a very positive statement to make," he said.

Roemer said this at a press conference here when his attention was drawn to the discomfort in India over the mention of its relationship with Pakistan in the US-China joint statement. The envoy went on to add that the US is 'trying to make sure there is a prosperous and peaceful rise of China' and 'at the same time have historic close relations between the United States and India.'

 

[Emperor]

Chinese will never forget that the key to Tibet lies in India.They are not as stupid as like the yanks.the problem with yanks is that they easily show off their support side up with a country when their own interests are at stake.
Probably Osama(aka obama )failed to realize that the death of PRC lies in the hands of India.Instead he keeps putting all his eggs in the chinese basket.It will be a suicide death to who US hegemony if India declares its stand wide open on the world stage.

Still it is never a late.India and russia are all weather allies which the world knows.Few words exchange during some critical defence deals wont cause a serious damage to the dual.Instead they strengthened the bond with co-developments and with many strategic deals.russia has the resources while India has the labour and money.a serious and sounding linking of those resources with this man power will make both nations prosper. And this will confront the G2 hegemony as easily as it can.Currently many nations are tilting away from US pressure and worst known tactics.

It is only that US is shooting at its foot by siding with china while going against Indian interests and trying to make it a super power of Asia and world in the later stage.
A soft reply has to be like virtually banning all the US defence equipments from buying and stopping US companies gaining market share in India. We can get similar technology from other western countries with less strings attached.Then why bother with cost and stringed technology?

US the nuke deal for India`s interest and dont let any US companies venture into Indian nuclear market.It is known world wide that the nuclear market in Indian for the next 10 years is a min 100 billion.We have to let these US companies starve of getting Indian deals.

this will be a soft and harsh reply to the US remarks.

 

[Yusuf]

They created the deal in the first place and forced others to follow suit just to win the contracts. You think the deal will last if India doesn't give them any contracts? But then the deal has to last anyways. The way Obama is going about his agenda, the deal might fall.

 

[S.A.T.A]

This particular reference,although quite irrelevant other than for quaint diplomacy,reflects the return of the old Clinton guard at the states department.similar gaffes,in both letters and action,were the order of the day during the Clinton years........for me it reinforces the fact that President Obama,despite numerous clarification from his camp,continues to completely kowtows to the former first lady in matters of foreign policy(as with other key states department policy agendas)

Not surprisingly South block(as have its equivalent in other countries)has already realised who is the mistress of the House (no pun intended)

 

[rockdog]

A stable S.Asia is good thing for both China and US.

China need less trouble on Tibet, Xinjiang and US need less terror groups grow in Pak.

There are two major issues on India & Pak tie: J&K and Terror, any of them (like kargil and Membay attack) would cause big conflict between India and Pak.

So i think if US has more resource on anti-terror issues, and China has more resource on J&K (China has part of the area); it will be a good idea that two powers share cooperation for their own interests.

I think the first thing for US and China to do is to stabilize Pak and win over the anti-terror war. US and China would have better communication and sync move on how to support current Pak government and army militarily and economically.

On the other hand, China recent years already been an important player in S.Asia, and been different roles on lots of issues here; no matter India like or not.

At least, a good relationship with another outside player (USA), will ensure that there will be less collision and more power balance; none of two won't be happy to see sub-continent dominated by one power, especially when this power even can't deal with the local affairs nicely.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What makes the Chinese think Indians want them involved in Kashmir issue? Isn't it arrogant of them to think they can involve themselves on an issue nobody wants them in,and how about the terror in east turkmenistan from pakistan? or did you kill all the uighurs off and solve that issue? And who wants Asia dominated by one self proclaimed power-not many.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Balancing Indian geopolitical hegemony in south Asia has been a pipe dream, even at best of times(when India was the in the economic and strategic backwaters)........rest assured democrats communists and islamists are unlikely to make any head way in realizing it anytime soon.

The rhetoric however may continue

 

[johnq]

I wouldn't read too much into that Obama statement. These big statements are more for show than anything else, to help keep the Chinese govt cool. Remember the Chinese Communist govt are the same crazy guys that fight wars to teach lessons (India, Vietnam, support to a govt in Cambodia that led to massacre of millions, same in Vietnam, massacres in Tibet and in the great leap forward). I think the US is waiting for the old-timers in the Chinese Communist party to die, because they are the major trouble-makers. The newer Chinese generation cares more about the economy.

Obama doesn't want China to start any trouble right now because the American hand are tied in two wars and a bad economy. Expect more such statements to keep the Chinese appeased. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 

[venkat]

OBAMA -WHO? sorry I meant HU.:stinker:..Obama gives green signal to china to meddle between india and pakistan as if he is the station master !

 

[badguy2000]

case is that you Indians take Yankees' attitude to India too seriously.........

when Yankees flatter India,you are sooo happy.....when Yankees put india aside ,you look sooo annoyed.......guy,why take yankees so seriously?

 

[Singh]

case is that you Indians take Yankees' attitude to India too seriously.........

when Yankees flatter India,you are sooo happy.....when Yankees put india aside ,you look sooo annoyed.......guy,why take yankees so seriously?

BG2K electronic, english media is the weapon of choice of the politically disinterested Indian middle class.
PS: Some of us believe India is a super power and needs to act like one.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Chicom's have invested half their gdp in Yankee kabootari funds and pretend they don't take them seriously.......... are we to take you seriously ?

 

[Emperor]

Lol......... I some home felt annoyed by the US approaching of china with betting bowl,but I am looking at the future infact around 2015-2020 time frame. With every day shrinking economy and loosing hegemony all over the world, by then US will substitute pakistan as the biggest beggar of the world.(lol.... the debt will cross 25 trillions by then)
And there is a prophecy that with which ever country US allies other than the ones from NATO or EU block,the other country has to be thrown into shambles. Pakistan is a good example.US used pakistan for every possible confrontation with India.It even made pakistan a nuclear power.Made it a land of terrorism.

And look now where pakistan stands? Their constitution was re-written zillion times with every change in leadership.And with every war with India it kept loosing its territory/will.
It could be a new boon to India in the disguise.Could be a boon to democratic chinese in China.In the time line mentioned above we might see a democratic republic of China loosing tibet and xinxiang and inner mongolia.Anything might happen.We are always on the safe side and been going through ups and down yet US with its power and hegemony failed to pull a single hair from the central part. Is China in anyway superior to then US? NO.

The same coalition is occurring which happened in the 70`s.And we already knew who the winner is. :d

 

[badguy2000]

Lol......... I some home felt annoyed by the US approaching of china with betting bowl,but I am looking at the future infact around 2015-2020 time frame. With every day shrinking economy and loosing hegemony all over the world, by then US will substitute pakistan as the biggest beggar of the world.(lol.... the debt will cross 25 trillions by then)
And there is a prophecy that with which ever country US allies other than the ones from NATO or EU block,the other country has to be thrown into shambles. Pakistan is a good example.US used pakistan for every possible confrontation with India.It even made pakistan a nuclear power.Made it a land of terrorism.

And look now where pakistan stands? Their constitution was re-written zillion times with every change in leadership.And with every war with India it kept loosing its territory/will.
It could be a new boon to India in the disguise.Could be a boon to democratic chinese in China.In the time line mentioned above we might see a democratic republic of China loosing tibet and xinxiang and inner mongolia.Anything might happen.We are always on the safe side and been going through ups and down yet US with its power and hegemony failed to pull a single hair from the central part. Is China in anyway superior to then US? NO.

The same coalition is occurring which happened in the 70`s.And we already knew who the winner is. :d

well, I have some sympathy to you，because you just think everything wiil be find if you lay you head under sands.