NIA books Italian marines for Kerela fishermen's murder

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The Italian ambassador should be declared persona non grata.The court should declare the marines proclaimed offenders and interpol notified.
 

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Keeping politics aside, what can India realistically do, going forward?

Net result.... a lot of noise until media is dangled another juicier carrot to pursue (which we can see within a week to happen)
You mean to say Nirbhaya failure was deliberate ?

Or stage another gang rape ??

Or Call Kejariwal ?
 

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It makes no sense. You either setup an escape or you don't. There is no chance for self-contradiction in any case.
It will make sense once it will die its own death.

For GoI it was a diplomatic taste spoiler for its relationship with Italy.

Now Italy is villain, India is protesting and marines are back. All are winners.

PS: I haven't yet made my mind if the script is good or bad weighing national and nationalist interest.
 

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any one can play with our nation ..

Really now i remembe a sin , i was in bus a couple husband was not too strong with his spouse and the mans standing in the bus were taking her so bad view ...

in short respect is only for strong one in the world.
 

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It will make sense once it will die its own death.
How can it die calmly when GOI itself is vocal ?

Anyways, SC needs come out with clear directive. Media statements are just fillers, nothing more.
 

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How can it die calmly when GOI itself is vocal ?

Anyways, SC needs come out with clear directive. Media statements are just fillers, nothing more.
Let us see what else GoI will do other than being vocal for one or two days.

All SC can do is ask GoI what they are going to do about it.
 

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It's all milli bhagat of GOI and Italy....and we know why this Kingly treatment to Italian murderers!
 

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Does Sonia madam has to do something in this??? akhir maika ha
 

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All SC can do is ask GoI what they are going to do about it.
We don't know if Italian Court has claimed its authority over trial and sent copy to SC. In that case Special court will review it. In absence of such plea, there is deep sea of ambiguity about what powers SC interprets over the situation. If the Indian court goes against Italian actions, then it can issue directive to GOI's enforcement wings to take matter in International court and seek transfer of marines. Failure to comply those orders can put GOI in serious trouble. PM sent the ball to Khurshid's court. Technically, Khurshid's ministry can't do jack.

My understanding of situation is that Italy doesn't give damn about couple of marines. But not sending them back to India, thereby embarrassing, degrading GOI is a perfect blackmail to stop MoD from permanently blacklisting Italian defense firms. Lets see what happens. But honestly, we have crazies on the both side.
 

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Italian Ambassador had submitted sworn affidavit to Supreme Court that he takes "full responsibility of marine's return" to India on or before expiry date of Leave Petition. SC allowed marines to travel Italy against this undertaking by Italian Ambassador himself.

It will be fun to see what happens next. Lets see if Italy is ready to burn credibility of every signed paper between two countries to ground .
 

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Monetary compensations

On 24 April, the Italian government concluded an out-of-court settlement whereby which they paid 10,000,000 rupees (€150,000) to each of the victims' families. A "without-prejudice offer" was made to the legal heirs in the form of a one-time full and final ex-gratia payment of Rs. 1 crore so as to enable the first party (legal heirs) to rebuild their lives. The agreement said the legal heirs agreed that such a "without-prejudice offer" did not fasten on the Italian government, its citizens, and instrumentalities, the two naval marines or other defendants in the admiralty suits, and its officers, employees, agents, subsidiaries, affiliates "¦ any liability whatsoever on account of the unfortunate and untimely demise of the fishermen.[143][144][145] In exchange, the relatives of the fishermen withdrew their criminal liability claims.

On 30 April, the Supreme Court of India raised objections to the manner in which the Italian government struck the deal with the relatives. Justices RM Lodha and HL Gokhale questioned the Kerala government as to why it did not oppose the compromise reached between the families of the deceased fishermen and the Italian Government and vessel's owners by stating that "This is a challenge to the Indian judicial system, this is impermissible. It is most unfortunate." Kerala government counsel Gopal Subramanium said the State was not party to the settlement which was against public policy as reflected in the mandate of Section 23 of the Evidence Act.[146]

On 2 May, Italy clarified to the Supreme Court of India that the settlement was not a monetary compensation : "the settlements have been made by the Republic of Italy to the claimants-plaintiffs not by way of compensation in the proceedings initiated by them but by way of goodwill and gesture" adding that "the settlements arrived at between the Republic of Italy and claimants-plaintiffs could be set aside by this Court in exercise of its powers under Article 142 of the Constitution of India"[147]
2012 Italian shooting in the Arabian Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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You mean to say Nirbhaya failure was deliberate ?

Or stage another gang rape ??

Or Call Kejariwal ?
In India, there is no shortage of diversions.. they are available dime a dzn.
 

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Italy cocks a snook at India

Italy cocks a snook at India | Niti Central

What makes the case of two Italian marines Miassimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone exceptional? They jumped the undertaking submitted by the Italian Ambassador to India before the Supreme Court. The undertaking swore said they would return to India to face the trial in the MT Enrica Lexie shooting incident. These two undertrial prisoners had gone to Italy in February on the pretext of voting in the general election, but are now disinclined to return to India. Earlier in December they had appealed for visiting Italy for Christmas, but necessary formalities could not be completed in time.
As per the National Crime Records Bureau's figures (Prison Statistics in India, 2011) there are 2,020 foreigners – 1,868 males and 162 females – serving sentences in various jails of India. Additionally, there are 3,501 foreigners – 3,230 males and 371 females – lodged in various jails in India as undertrial prisoners. None of them was allowed any indulgence of holidaying in his or her native country or exercising voting rights. Why this preferential treatment for the Italian marines?

The difference probably is in the clout of the nations involved. The Government of India keeps no nation-wise data of prisoners except when the prisoner is Pakistani. But, in cases involving drug-peddling, citizens of Burma, Nigeria and Afghanistan top the list of prisoners. None of these countries evidently have much lobbying power. Moreover, their Governments have no interest in associating themselves with dubious private citizens.
But such is not the case with Latorre and Girone. Latorre and Girone, who guarded the Italian crude oil tanker MT Enrica Lexie, had shot dead two Indian fishermen, Pintu and Jelastin, on February 15, 2012. The victims were aboard a fishing boat, St Anthony, off the coast of Kerala. As members of the Naval Military Protection Squad, six Italian marines on board MT Enrica Lexie were directly under the control of the Italian Navy. That is why the Supreme Court permitted the Government of Italy to be an intervener. The Government of Kerala was stoutly against allowing the Government of Italy entering the fray.
Italy refuses to recognise that the MT Enrica Lexie shooting took place inside India's Exclusive Economic Zone. It wants either a 'settlement', thst is, a 'deal', or the case tried according to United Nations Convention of the Laws of the Sea. The latest development shows the Italian Government prefers a devious route. Were it in another country the Ambassador would have been declared a persona non grata and expelled.

The episode has come as a major embarrassment to India. The Congress-led UPA Government, like so often, has failed to take a tough stance. On October 28, 2012, during the Formula One Grand Prix Race at Buddha International Circuit, Greater Noida, the Ferrari team displayed the flag of the Italian Navy on its cars. In their Press statement the Ferrari team, which finished second, said it was not only a tribute to the Italian Navy but a message that Indian and Italian authorities would soon find an amicable solution to the MT Enrica Lexie incident.

Both the Ministry of External Affairs and Ministry of Youth and Sports Affairs reacted sharply to this event. The Ferrari team, after discussions with the Federation of Motor Sports Club of Indi, stated that it had fullest respect for Indian authorities and would not like to politicise the incident. The Italian authorities actually appear to have done so now.
Whether it is Warren Anderson of Union Carbide infamy or Ottavio Quattrocchi of Bofors deal, different Congress Governments have allowed high profile foreign culprits to escape. There's a sense of déjà vu about Latorre and Gironefleeing our shores.
 

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Banana Republic of India we deserve each and every humiliation like this.

The strong ones don't bend having an italian god mother at the helms of this country is the greatest sign of impotence of Indians.
 

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I really find all this anger directed towards the Italians marines as strange and excessive. The marines were on an anti-piracy mission and mistook the fishermen for pirates and hence shot at them which resulted in their unfortunate death. The marines did not intentionally murder the fishermen. They apologised and have also paid the compensation amount of Rs. 1 crore to the bereaved family.

Compare this towards 26/11 Mumbai attacks when 10 highly trained and armed Pakistani citizens stormed our financial capital brutally killing hundreds of our citizens for so many days in full media view. The ringleaders of this attack are still roaming free and are planning even more attacks on us. Pakistan as always has denied all knowledge and refused to co-operate in the investigation. If we are demanding punishment for the 2 Italian marines for the shooting then I wonder what our response after the 26/11 attacks should have been? But the fact of the matter is that our govt. did nothing after the 26/11 attacks
 

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Italian envoy asked to leave country : MMS

Indian envoy to Italy will be returning India.

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I really find all this anger directed towards the Italians marines as strange and excessive. The marines were on an anti-piracy mission and mistook the fishermen for pirates and hence shot at them which resulted in their unfortunate death. The marines did not intentionally murder the fishermen. They apologised and have also paid the compensation amount of Rs. 1 crore to the bereaved family.

Compare this towards 26/11 Mumbai attacks when 10 highly trained and armed Pakistani citizens stormed our financial capital brutally killing hundreds of our citizens for so many days in full media view. The ringleaders of this attack are still roaming free and are planning even more attacks on us. Pakistan as always has denied all knowledge and refused to co-operate in the investigation. If we are demanding punishment for the 2 Italian marines for the shooting then I wonder what our response after the 26/11 attacks should have been? But the fact of the matter is that our govt. did nothing after the 26/11 attacks
First they should notified Indian Coast Guard. They did not. They fired without provocation, Italian ship has no bullet marks. Merchant ships are not authorised to fire at other vessels, only on hostile boarders, and there were none. The boat is registered in India and is thus Indian territory.

Italy perhaps think that India has shariat laws and paying blood money exonerates them. Compensation was anyway due.There saying sorry will not resurrect the killed fishermen.

26/11 was a crime on India soil and Kasab did hang for that. As for doing, our govt is impotent. Can't do anything.

Italy would go through the motions of investigation and give the marines a clean chit. A court will release the ship too.

Smacks of a quid pro quo. Let our marines escape, we let the Family escape.
 
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PM warns Italy of 'consequences' over Italian marines issue

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh warned Italy on Wednesday that there would be "consequences" unless it returned two of its marines who skipped bail while on trial for murder in India. Singh told MPs that his government had told Italian authorities to "respect the undertakings they have given" that the pair would return to India after being allowed to return home to vote in Italy's recent general election.

"If they do not keep their word there will be consequences for our relations with Italy," Singh said amid reports that Italy's ambassador could be expelled.

Singh on Wednesday said the decision by Italian authorities to keep back the marines accused of killing two Indian fishermen had caused agitation within the whole country and expressed his readiness for a discussion on the matter in Parliament.

"The House is agitated over the conduct of the Italian authorities. The country as a whole is agitated. I share the concern of the members," he said in the Lok Sabha."We are ready for any discussion in whatever form you direct. We are ready to discuss it at a proper time. You can fix the time," he said.The Supreme Court in February allowed the marines - Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone - to fly to Italy to vote in the February 24-25 national elections.

The apex court was given an undertaking that the marines would return in four weeks to face legal proceedings in India.However, the Italian embassy Monday informed New Delhi that the marines would not be returning to India.The marines, posted as security cover on board Italian oil tanker Enrica Lexie, had shot dead two Indian fishermen Feb 15 last year, mistaking them for pirates.
 

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