New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Galaxy, Nov 30, 2011.

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Which Contender`s Rifle has more chances of winning than others?

  1. Beretta`s ARX160

    20.7%
  2. Colt`s MGI multi-caliber

    7.5%
  3. IWI`s Galil ACE Series

    26.1%
  4. Sig-Sauer`s Classic Series

    7.9%
  5. Czech`s 805 BREN

    5.7%
  6. IWI`s TAR-21 / X-95

    32.1%
  1. Gessler

    Gessler Senior Member Senior Member

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    The initial trial batch produced for Army trials had failed the MRBF (Mean Rounds Between Failure) parameters. OFB had hoped that quality in production could be stabilized if they get some orders from CAPFs and Police units first. They did get several orders from MHA forces.

    However, I haven't heard anything regarding them submitting a fresh batch for re-trials.

    In the meantime IA couldn't wait till eternity for Ordnance Factories to figure out how to get consistent quality control across a production batch, and decided to go in for the foreign carbine tender.

    Now, obviously there aren't any rifles/carbines in production right now in the world that use the 5.56x30mm cartridge (Colt experimented with some models in ages past, since abandoned).

    So 5.56x45mm was only choice.

    Personally, I'm happy we went in for the x45 instead of the x30 MINSAS. The x30 in my opinion is a half-a$$ed cartridge. Neither it offers the small dimensions & light weight afforded by pistol-calibre rounds like 9x19, nor the full power of a rifle-calibre cartridge of 45mm length.

    The whole point of having a small gun is that it should afford a good compromise between size & stopping power. In an age where one can easily get carbines firing full-power rifle rounds with 11" barrels and weights in neighbourhood of 3 kgs, the utility or reasoning behind creation of a weapon in similar dimensions & weight but shooting a much less powerful midrange round like 5.56x30 frankly escapes me.

    However, if OFB manages to reduce the weight of the JVPC to around 2 kgs, and trim its bulk, it could be an interesting alternative to the HK MP7 that many SF units might want to get their hands on (if quality control could be fixed, that is).

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    But I have doubts how well the recoil of a 5.56 bore (even with the less powerful x30 cartridge) can be controlled on a 2 kg weapon. They may have to tune down the calibre to something similar to the MP7's pretty effective 4.6mm in order to be an effective & controllable PDW.
     
  2. porky_kicker

    porky_kicker Senior Member Senior Member

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    New carbine...........

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    This design has been floating around for some months now.

    Looks like an FNC clone (not that it is a bad thing!)

    I seriously hope they get their QC on track or the IA will chuck this gun out as well.

    Seriously, we are getting Punj Lloyd made X95s for CHEAPER than INSAS 1B1s.
     
  4. Expecting OFB and Govt PSUs to produce quality is quite a wish I’m afraid. It is so frustrating that we cannot privatize it ...
     
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    binayak95 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Oh damn, Ian did a video on these on Forgotten Weapons. That 5.56 200 round mag dump was INSANE
     
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    Happy to hear that the assault weapon problem is not unique to us
     
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    Hmm

    1. The G36 replacement is a political decision not a military need one. Most German units surveyed were perfectly happy with the G36 (source SOFrep). The need to change out the gun is about infusing money into the economy and throwing HK a lifeline

    2. M4 - after anumber of trials the M4 has be retained as the primary long gun of the us military. The rectification of it's shortcomings were done by changing the type of ammo and introducing a better Barrell.

    3. Russia was working on changing their AKM/74/103 line (which is nearly 30 years old) with a more modern weapon. Hence the An12 and An94 series. Different gun manufacturers competing to be the next gun of the federation


    Sorry but jha has it all wrong. Nothing compared to us.

    We butchered our domestic small arms industry and then decided to buy guns of every caliber from all the manufacturers of the world like a kid wanting to have every model of the iPhone. The logic and logistics of which still elude us
     
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    nongaddarliberal Senior Member Senior Member

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    All the 3 countries mentioned will only procure assault rifles from their own industry. So even if they are unhappy with the present rifles, the replacement rifles will be their own. Unlike us who simply gave up on designing an indigenous rifle and are procuring 3 different rifles from 3 different countries in 3 different calibres.
     
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    Illusive Senior Member Senior Member

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    Can't a pvt group like kalyani develop small arms or is there a ban.
     
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    SREEKAR well known member.... Senior Member

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    hal and ofb have monopoly on their respective fields...... this must change.....enough of capitalism crap....
     
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    ezsasa Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Earlier there was an issue with testing sites and ammo procurement for testing.

    Now testing sites has been resolved, not sure if ammo procurement for testing has been resolved.

    Mahindra did try getting into the business using steyr as their platform, but it flopped. This was 8-10 years ago.
     
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    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    They partnered with some one to produce them, but the small arms process is such a mess in India they may never see any orders. Funny how they have better luck in arty than small arms.
     
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  14. Should be enough of 'socialism' crap ??
     
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    SREEKAR well known member.... Senior Member

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    yea....my bad....socialism........
     
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    Good Question............ Few days back when I asked the same question in a group, the members got all tempered up. They got it totally wrong that I am supporting OFB maal.

    Our politics has left no stones unturned in killing the domestic arm production. We excelled only on those which we could not bring or license produce from others. Else it was always license buildup and screw driver giri for us.

    Now even after the norms has been relaxed, no one has came forward to take up the initiative on its own. Why? Firing range and ammo are just excuses at their best.

    Any private industry would only take up an endeavor only if it sense profit in it. The very reason why company like PunjLyod has formed a JV with IWI to produce spares and subcomponents, but didnt dared to invest in R&D or independent production. Same goes with Kalyani. They produced their first arty with a team of novice. But even today not dared to venture into small arm segment. Look at the Dhruv saga. Even after HAL showed willingness to pass on the manufacturing of civilian variant, have you seen any private party showing interest in it? Although Mahindra and TATA are already active in aeronautical industry.

    Why????

    Simple. Without a viable and promising market, private companies would not take the risk of investment.
     
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    You couldn't be more wrong here. The debate on M4 is as old as the rifle itself & so do the solutions proposed.
    No. The Germans, iirc are going for a French rifle & the Yanks are looking at H&K
     
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    What is the French rifle the Germans are going for? The French themselves are going to adopt the HK416, which is German. The US Army has made no real plans to replace it's M4's yet. Only the marine corps is moving to the m27.
     
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    The US Army and the US Marine Corp has run systematic Small Arms replacement trials for nearly a decade.

    And when did i say the debate is isnt as old as the rifle?

    but What was the Result and how am i wrong?
     

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