Nepal may bar Gorkhas from Indian Army

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Well, why will those Gorkhas who want to be part of Indian Army even ask their government if any ban is issued! They could still come to India under any guide and serve in the army.

Question is do the Gorkhas want to serve in the Indian Army. If the answer is yes, then no one can stop them.
 

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May I ask why post #7 by pmaitra was edited by Ray? Is that correct information?
National Secret! ;) :rofl:

Actually, in the Kargil Ops there were many attachment and detachment and hence, those not involved, can always forget who was there and who wasn't.
 

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Well, why will those Gorkhas who want to be part of Indian Army even ask their government if any ban is issued! They could still come to India under any guide and serve in the army.

Question is do the Gorkhas want to serve in the Indian Army. If the answer is yes, then no one can stop them.
When anyone joins, he has to give his address, which is checked by the Police and so is his antecedents.

If it were not done so, then foreigners could also join up as Indians.

Then there is the issue of the Next of Kin.
 

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No more Gorkhas in India, UK Armies

Published March 19, 2012



Indian and British Armies may no longer be able to employ Gurkhas, known for their valour, following a Nepalese government decision to eventually stop their recruitment in foreign countries.

Nepal's government has directed Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) and other concerned ministries to implement the recommendations of a report that seeks to ultimately halt Gurkha recruitments in foreign armies.

The Office of Prime Minister and Council of Ministers (OPMCM) have sent separate letters to various ministries on March 9 directing them to initiate procedures for implementing recommendations of the report, Nepal's Foreign Policy in Changed Context: 2012, saying it was endorsed by a House panel.

The report approved by the Parliamentary Committee on International Relations and Human Rights on December 26, 2011, was later presented in the Legislature Parliament.

The report has drawn sharp criticism from Ex-Gurkha organisations which have warned to launch protests if Gurkha Recruitment Centres are shut down in Nepal, the Republica reported.

Nepalese Gurkhas are mainly serving in Indian Army and British Army.

The parliamentary report argues that although the Gurkha recruitment gave the Nepali youths limited employment opportunity, serving with foreign military had not allowed the country to hold its head high.

"Nepal's government is put on further loss after the Britain decided to provide citizenship to Gurkha soldiers, and the time has come to evaluate Nepal's foreign policy in regards to Gurkha recruitment," the parliamentary report said.

"Since the Gurkha recruitment will have to end eventually, it is necessary to create alternatives to move forward the process," it added.

The House Committee Chairman Padam Lal Bishwakarma expressed satisfaction over the government's willingness to implement the report.

"The report has paved the way for inter-ministerial service change and transfers of deserving candidates serving in other concerned ministries to foreign service," he was quoted by the daily as saying.

No more Gorkhas in India, UK Armies | idrw.org
 

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I would recommend that the Indian government offer Indian citizenship to those Gurkhas that are willing to be Indian citizens.

The Royal Nepalese Army also had their differences with the new Nepalese government. Apparently, the The Office of Prime Minister and Council of Ministers (OPMCM) is in favour of this ban. Does that mean most Nepalese favour this ban?
 

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It will obviously be a loss from a traditional and cultural point of view.

I hope the Nepali govt comes to better sense.
 

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The Nepal's motive to halt the recruitment sounds understandable and even laudable like most "normal" countries would do. But how would they create alternatives for the youth in an agri and tourism based economy?
 

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No Nepali citizen is allowed to be in GR he have to be an Indian..

Besides there are Nepali People living in India and Majority of them are in GR with N.E ..



Majority of Nepali Men are from India not Nepal..

Nepal ban or not don't matter much in Indian Army..
 

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No Nepali citizen is allowed to be in GR he have to be an Indian..

Besides there are Nepali People living in India and Majority of them are in GR with N.E ..



Majority of Nepali Men are from India not Nepal..

Nepal ban or not don't matter much in Indian Army..
So all Gurkhas in Gurkha Regiment are Indian citizens? Then why was this news such a big news? I thought there was a special arrangement for Nepalis to be in Indian Army.

Here is what I found:
11. Ineligibility of aliens for enrolment.— No person who is not a citizen of India shall except with the consent of the Central Government signified in writing, be enrolled in the regular Army :

Provided that nothing contained in this section shall bar the enrolment of he subjects of Nepal in the regular Army.

NOTES

1. Regular Army see AA.s.3(xxi).

2. The following persons can be enrolled.

(a) A citizen of India (see Arts 5-11 of the Constitution and Citizenship Act, 1955);

(b) A subject of Nepal;

(c) An alien, with the written consent of the Central Government;

(d) A female, though a citizen of India, a subject of Nepal or an alien who has obtained the written consent of the Central Government is only eligible for enrolment or employment in such corps., department etc., of or any service auxiliary to the regular Army as specified in AA.s.12.

3. A non-eligible person can however be deemed to be duly enrolled under AA.s.15' if he satisfies the conditions set out therein.

4. Enrolment Boys: Being enrolled, the boys are subject to all the provisions of the and may legally be tried and punished by a court-martial or summarily. They may also be awarded minor punishments specified for boys, (see Regs Army para443.(c) and item VI of the table annexed thereto).

The boys cannot be punished under AA for offences committed before enrolment.

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When anyone joins, he has to give his address, which is checked by the Police and so is his antecedents.

If it were not done so, then foreigners could also join up as Indians.

Then there is the issue of the Next of Kin.
I am sure they can use our Embassy in Nepal for that.
 

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Maos & CCP is playing well!!
Who cares, looks at my Avatar. Indian still the bravest solders.
same as Ukraine ban their girl become foreigner wives.
BTW, China is also hungry for Gurkhas because they even able to speak Hindi.
Best Gurkhas hired by UK, and then China?
 

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No Nepali citizen is allowed to be in GR he have to be an Indian..

Besides there are Nepali People living in India and Majority of them are in GR with N.E ..



Majority of Nepali Men are from India not Nepal..

Nepal ban or not don't matter much in Indian Army..
With more than 1.2 billion Indians living on this planet, we can surely find some genuine Indian Gurkhas amongst us to hire for our defense forces.
 

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So all Gurkhas in Gurkha Regiment are Indian citizens? Then why was this news such a big news? I thought there was a special arrangement for Nepalis to be in Indian Army.

Here is what I found:
Perhaps, though Majority are Indian and from N.E there are few who are from Nepal but i never meet one..

So, even Nepal gov bans it wont effect us much, those still want to Join will Join Indian Army..
 

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i think nepal is not the only source of Gurkhas in Indian army, North-Eastern states also contribute a good no. of soilders in Indian Gurkha force.
Recall in an earlier post Sir Ray has pointed out no longer a "manpower" issue, but India possibly losing a way of influencing Nepal with a large number of Nepali Gorkhas living on being mercenaries for India (and Brit), plus their families
 

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AFAIK there was talk of Royal Army ending the "Gurkha regiments" sometime in the near future.


"Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had a country more faithful friends than you"

Sir Ralph Turner MC, 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles, 1931
 
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"Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had a country more faithful friends than you"
But modern nation states command loyalty from citizens
 

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The Napali Maoist govt will have a handful of a problem if it impliments such a ban.

From India they get an annual remittance of Rs.1200 crore (roughly about $266 million), apart from the number of civilian jobs held by its nationals in India. The maoists will have a rebellion that they cannot handle. So let them ban it, and let RAW help the nepalies clean out the communists. We have a decendant of the murdered king serving in the Indian AMC - make him king :) with a parliamentary democracy.
 

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The Napali Maoist govt will have a handful of a problem if it impliments such a ban.

From India they get an annual remittance of Rs.1200 crore (roughly about $266 million), apart from the number of civilian jobs held by its nationals in India. The maoists will have a rebellion that they cannot handle. So let them ban it, and let RAW help the nepalies clean out the communists. We have a decendant of the murdered king serving in the Indian AMC - make him king :) with a parliamentary democracy.
May I remind you that Indira Gandhi was killed in 1984 ?
 

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I am sure they can use our Embassy in Nepal for that.
How?

If you are Rail Bahadur Gurung from some remote village in the Himalayas, how can you give the Embassy as the address and who will accept that?
 

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