Nawaz Sharif urges unilateral pullout from Siachen

[Blackwater]

Au contraire, in the Hajam Sethi video you posted yesterday, Sethi sahab claimed that Mian sahab was fully aware of the operation and was excited by the possibility of being the one to unfurl the sabz-e-parcham in Srinagar.

thats y i called him "khota":taunt1::taunt1:

 

[panduranghari]

Our political leadership should not be forcing any decision on IA.

They wont.

Its too late for Pakis to expect any favours from us.

 

[pack leader]

---- Pakistan you should push for arms race and bleed them dry
with 6 times the people and 10 times the economy India can take it
destroy Pakistan thru debt and inflation
make Pakistan new soviet union and let it disintegrate
after disintegration take what land you wish for your self and disarm the rest
let Pakistan burn from tribalism Islamism and hunger

 

[Neil]

---- Pakistan you should push for arms race and bleed them dry
with 6 times the people and 10 times the economy India can take it
destroy Pakistan thru debt and inflation
make Pakistan new soviet union and let it disintegrate
after disintegration take what land you wish for your self and disarm the rest
let Pakistan burn from tribalism Islamism and hunger

a dream we indians r waiting for...but are political class is busy opening up trade routes to take pakis out of their misery....pity us...!!

 

[thakur_ritesh]

---- Pakistan you should push for arms race and bleed them dry
with 6 times the people and 10 times the economy India can take it
destroy Pakistan thru debt and inflation
make Pakistan new soviet union and let it disintegrate
after disintegration take what land you wish for your self and disarm the rest
let Pakistan burn from tribalism Islamism and hunger

Pack Leader,

With the way the modernization of the armed forces is happening, I guess we are luring them into one and if one reads the write ups by Pakistani think tanks, it is apparent they do feel left out in the race and their frustration shows up by pointing towards the strides taken by India, how they are getting left behind, hitting out at our defence budget each time there is a hike and for not able to match up they point fingers at the tardy economy they have had for sometime now.

For the record Pakistan spends anywhere between 25-30% of their annual budget on defence though 50% of this figure is never officially accepted, the majority of the left out expenditure is largely non-productive in nature, and the investment rate is on a steady decline.

@thakur_ritesh

Ofcourse, the Kargil war had some sort of tacit understanding from Nawaz. All he can claim is that he was mislead on how sucessful Mushrarraf would be in his operations or precisely how indigenous the Kargil war would be. But that is the 1990s Nawaz

I think that any political force that works to cut down PA/ISI influence in the foreign policy domain is a good thing. Wether its Nawaz Sharif or anyone else. And so even rhetorically speaking what Nawaz is saying is a good thing even if it does achieve that in reality
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/22520-pak-army-control-foreign-policy-should-end-nawaz.html

Ejaz,

There has been a clarification issued by PML-N that Nawaz never hinted at any unilateral move on part of Pakistan and that he was miquoted.

 

[ejazr]

^^^ Well with the Army and the GoP castigating him, he had to do back down ofcourse.

Interesting editorial in Express Tribune on the same comments though
Nawaz Sharif on Siachen – The Express Tribune
The PML-N leader, Nawaz Sharif, has visited the Gayari sector of the Siachen Glacier to express his solidarity with the Pakistani troops performing duty there and to commiserate with them over the victims of the April 7 avalanche. He delivered a statesmanlike opinion about what Pakistan should do to prevent future tragedies. He said: "the Pakistani government should take the lead and withdraw its troops from the Siachen Glacier; let's not make it a matter of ego. Pakistan should take the initiative".

Mr Sharif should know a little bit more about the issue of Siachen than others because in 1999, as prime minister, he suffered the humiliation of a botched offensive — the Kargil Operation — to get the Indians down from the Glacier. It is clear that he no longer buys the military argument that focuses on the revisionist strategy of responding to challenge with counterchallenge. No one in the world approves of what India and Pakistan are doing at 21,000 feet, losing their soldiers to frostbite and avalanches. Common sense says if Pakistan climbs down, it will lose nothing.

Neither would the skies fall if Pakistan gets the Indians to climb down by agreeing on a map with the current placement of troops on both sides. On TV, an ex-general lost his cool when this was put to him, but his response was more emotional than rational. Just because Pakistani troops are at a lower height than the Indians he lost sight of the fact that India will come down from an area where human life is not tenable; and if Pakistan-India relations improve, there will be no need for anyone to return to Siachen. In 1962, India fought a war with China after the Chinese built a road through Aksai Chin, a part of the Kashmir territory under Indian control. The former lost the war but learned the futility of fighting for a 'strategically unimportant' piece of frozen real estate. Now India's trade with China is worth $100 billion.

India began by first redefining the Aksai Chin territory it lost to China as 'territory of no strategic value'. Then it took the stance of 'isolating' the dispute over this territory while moving in the direction of normalisation with China in the 1980s. Pakistan became upset when China rewarded India by supplying it with heavy water. It periodically gets upset in editorials in the national press when a fresh China-India effort at normalisation comes to fruition.

Ashley J Tellis in his India's Emerging Nuclear Posture (OUP, 2001) tells us that India has rationalised its anti-status quo stance by unofficially accepting that the territory it lost in Aksai Chin in the Jammu and Kashmir sector was of more strategic value to China (because of the route connecting it with Tibet) than to India. It has 'compensated' itself with the thought that the 90,000 kilometre territory claimed by China in Arunachal Pradesh in north-eastern India was still under India's effective control and was of more strategic value to India. This 'adjustment' has allowed India to normalise trade relations with China and minimise its contradictions with its militarily and much-superior neighbour in the north.

The Indian army is interested in the big budget it receives for being on Siachen — a million dollars a day — and has linked its presence there to glacier research, which it says will help in exploring the South Pole for minerals, and possibly oil.

Our army is brave but why should it prove right the adage that it is better to be "unbrave" because it teaches us to live on the basis of wisdom rather than emotion.

Also, after visiting the Gayari site, army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani in response to questions from journalists said that the army was at Siachen because of India's actions — but that both India and Pakistan needed to resolve the issue so that resources could be used elsewhere.

Mr Nawaz Sharif has rightly chosen wisdom rather than 'national honour' by advising a "unilateral" withdrawal from Siachen. He remembers the year 1999 when his approach to India was sabotaged by 'freedom-fighters' at Kargil. A 'nuclear' Pakistan erred by waging a conventional war and endangered the world and was roundly condemned by all countries. Now let us earn some praise.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

Ejaz,

Is there a video footage of this statement? From what I saw, he said something to the effect that the two nations need to sit down and work it out and that it makes no sense to continue stationing the two armies at such heights, and nothing about an unilateral withdrawal on part of Pakistan.

I suspect something else is on play here. PTI backed by the establishment and PPP are both targeting the PML-N, and this could well be a part of a disinformation campaign where PML-N and the leadership gets projected as people who will sell off their national interests if they get elected in the next elections.

 

[rock127]

nawaz sharif is a "paki khota"(paki donkey)

he is the same guy who know doesn't know about kargil and ran to Clinton to save is salwar

A Paki donkey is much better than a snake like Mushraff who spits venom and backstabs neighbours.

 

[Blackwater]

A Paki donkey is much better than a snake like Mushraff who spits venom and backstabs neighbours.

all pakis are like that can not be trusted

 

[Ray]

Pakistan' economy is in the dumps and the recent avalanche deaths have shaken Pakistan and so they are talking about Peace and demilitarisation.

There is no chance that India will accept the same because, if the Pakistanis occupy it surreptitiously later on, there is no hope in hell of recapturing the heights since it will take three weeks acclimatisation for IA to reach the heights.

The fact that Pakistan is not ready to have the position held by India and Pakistan marked on the map with international guarantees indicates that their intentions are malafide. They are also not ready to do so, because it will give the impression that part is a part of India and it will get legitimised. It will also prove to the Pakistani people that Siachen is with India and not with Pakistan as is being told to the Pakistani public.

No, Siachen cannot be vacated. The country and the Army has sacrificed too much establish our writ and to barter it away for an elusive peace would not be the correct recognition of the sacrifice the Nation and the Army has done to ensure that Pakistani wolves are kept at bay in this area!

And Nawaz has never been Sharif in anything he has done!

 

[Ray]

Ashley J Tellis in his India's Emerging Nuclear Posture (OUP, 2001) tells us that India has rationalised its anti-status quo stance by unofficially accepting that the territory it lost in Aksai Chin in the Jammu and Kashmir sector was of more strategic value to China (because of the route connecting it with Tibet) than to India. It has 'compensated' itself with the thought that the 90,000 kilometre territory claimed by China in Arunachal Pradesh in north-eastern India was still under India's effective control and was of more strategic value to India. This 'adjustment' has allowed India to normalise trade relations with China and minimise its contradictions with its militarily and much-superior neighbour in the north.

This is the totally bogus 'placating' gobbledyggok being put out to show that everyone wants peace.

If India has rationalised its 'anti-status quo stance by unofficially accepting that the territory it lost in Aksai Chin ', let Pakistan withdraw if it likes and rationalise her anti status quo stance!

I don't think we will be unhappy if Pakistan leaves the lower part of the Siachen ridge that they hold.

 

[Virendra]

Ejaz,

Is there a video footage of this statement? From what I saw, he said something to the effect that the two nations need to sit down and work it out and that it makes no sense to continue stationing the two armies at such heights, and nothing about an unilateral withdrawal on part of Pakistan.

I suspect something else is on play here. PTI backed by the establishment and PPP are both targeting the PML-N, and this could well be a part of a disinformation campaign where PML-N and the leadership gets projected as people who will sell off their national interests if they get elected in the next elections.

This media speculation is baking in a cold oven. Kayani has clearly denied any possibility of unilateral withdrawal from Pakistan. End of story !

I don't think we will be unhappy if Pakistan leaves the lower part of the Siachen ridge that they hold.

We should say Hi with a few snow balls now and then. We're at heights compared to them right?