Naval Barak-8 Missiles, Israel, India

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Once the CBI completes its investigation, it might be forced to put IAI on a 10yr blacklist.
 

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No Barak and AK-630 will be the AD for Vikad'. It will be installed after IN gets the ship. The escorts like P-15a and P-17a etc will only provide long range AD in the form of Barak-8.
 
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Israel's navy upgrades defense systems - Globes

Israel's navy upgrades defense systems

The Barak 8 and Protector are two of the systems that will help defend offshore gas fields.

"The navy is ready for war," says a senior officer in the Israeli Navy. He understands well the significance of what he is saying, and stresses that despite the lack of a decision about the billions required to adapt the navy to its new challenges, his sailors can cope well with the new threats in the maritime theater.

One such threat is the Russian Yakhont (SSN-26) advanced shore-to-sea missile, which has been supplied to Syria, and is perceived by the IDF as a game-changer that alters the balance of power, and threatens all Israeli vessels and offshore natural gas fields. Israel's defense establishment fears that amongst all the chaos in Syria and the crumbling of the regime in Damascus, such advanced weapons systems may fall into the hands of extremist Islamic terror groups like Al Qaeda, which is deepening its activities in Syria.

According to several reports in the past, Hezbollah has already got its hands on the Yakhont. The senior officer added, "It doesn't matter how much money we ask for in order to invest in building our deterrent force and buy new weapons and strengthen. We will anyway manage in our mission of protecting and patrolling the high seas and making the coast secure."

He said, There are no small number of new threats entering the arena and they have slightly altered the balance of power. But we are prepared for them in a sophisticated way. All Israel Navy vessels are protected against new threats and our missile boats are protected against the Yakhont."

Deeply engraved in IDF awareness is the strike against the Israeli naval vessel by a Chinese C-802 missile off the coast of Beirut during the Second Lebanon War in 2006. The senior officer continued, "That won't happen again. We've learned the lessons. We've taken measures in the field and invested a lot of thought. The missiles are not so complicated and coping with them is not such a great challenge. We have clear responses to this threat. We are conducting trials all the time and testing ourselves to be certain we have responses for threats and scenarios, even above the required threshold."

The IDF's preparedness for new threats in the Eastern Mediterranean include close cooperation with the navy's development arm and Israel's defense industries including Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) (TASE: ARSP.B1) that is promoting the Barak 8 surface to air (SAM) missile project that will intercept sea missiles. "The Barak 8 is a good example of our preparedness for future threats," the senior officer said.

Partnership with India


One of the senior partners in the development of the Barak 8 is the Indian army, wihcis jointly funding the project. When it is completed the Indian arm will also be equipped with the new innovative, multi-purpose weapons system. The system will provide an answer to a wide range of threats to vessels and intercept missile fired from shore to sea and even hit aircraft. The new system will soon enter the trials phase and professional sources believe that it will be operational within 18 months to two years.

Expanding threats at sea and the larger number of tasks to be undertaken includes defending the offshore gas rigs, which according to the navy requires about NIS 3 billion to be fully operational. This amount includes purchasing and brining into operation new systems and at least four large naval vessels to protect national interests in Israel's economic waters.

In addition, to new vessels, radar systems, interception and protection weapons, the Israel Navy is interested in unmanned marine vehicles to double its strength. The main system here is the Protector, developed and produced by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd..

A limited number of these systems are already in operation with the Israel Navy on routine assignments and the results have been good. "The unmanned vessel's work is absolutely reasonable and we are satisfied with it," the senior officer said. It can carry electronic systems and be part of routine operations, assist in naval defense and operate in battle zones and draw fire, thus saving lives. Much thought has been invested in this direction."
 

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Sea-RAM can take on super sonic cruise missiles targets too. Aster and SM aren't the only ones. I don't think there is anything out there that can shoot down the brahmos, it flies indeed at mach 2.8+ but we forget it has terminal maneuvers, it has various types of terminal maneuvers at nearly mach 3 so as of yet Brahmos remains undefeated.
 

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Sea-RAM can take on super sonic cruise missiles targets too. Aster and SM aren't the only ones. I don't think there is anything out there that can shoot down the brahmos, it flies indeed at mach 2.8+ but we forget it has terminal maneuvers, it has various types of terminal maneuvers at nearly mach 3 so as of yet Brahmos remains undefeated.
Russia's technology is 20-30 years behind the west (read as US) and is falling further behind by the day. If you think Russia can under such circumstances develope a be-all-end-all weapon then you must be the ones believing in miracle.

The newest Aegis system can probably handle a missile that flies and maneuvers twice as fast. Further more Russian specs are known to be greatly exaggerated, I wouldn't be surprised if Brahmos turns out to be a total lemon (one has to wonder why is it so that so few buyers (basically 3rd world countries barred from buying arms from the west) are buying this 'indefendable' weapon?)
 

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The newest Aegis system can probably handle a missile that flies and maneuvers twice as fast. Further more Russian specs are known to be greatly exaggerated,
Brahmos is dependent on Indian claims, not Russian. Aegis is not meant to stop the Brahmos. The RIM-162 and RIM-174 are meant for it.

If we preferred Brahmos over Exocet or Harpoon then it is our prerogative.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems, maybe we like the Brahmos advantages better than the disadvantages.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brahmos turns out to be a total lemon (one has to wonder why is it so that so few buyers (basically 3rd world countries barred from buying arms from the west) are buying this 'indefendable' weapon?)
I am not sure if Brahmos has been officially approved for export.

But these are the export potentials.

BrahMos To Export Cruise Missile Systems: CEO | Defense News | defensenews.com
A senior company executive, who asked not to be named, said "serious negotiations" were underway with South Africa, Brazil and Chile for a maritime version of the missile, while Indonesia has been offered a land-based BrahMos.
India arms jets with BrahMos missiles - UPI.com
The keenest interest, however, has come from Malaysia, which is looking for a new weapons system to fit its Meko A100 Kedah class ships.
The last I checked South Africa, Brazil, Chile and Malaysia have easy access to American Harpoon or French Exocet. Poor countries cannot afford Brahmos. Vietnam and Indonesia too.

Btw, only 15 countries have been approved to buy this missile. Meaning even China will have to get in line. What I mean is rivals and potential adversaries of Russia and India won't see Brahmos sales.

So, I have named only 6 countries here as these are the countries that have been officially been revealed. There are certain Middle Eastern countries in the list too. I don't know these countries though. In a few years we will know better. Brahmos has a lot of pending orders for India and will then be exported to Russia at a later date, once a contract is signed. Beyond that, we need to wait.
 

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I personally think IN should only allow sale of Brahmos after Brahmos-2 is developed and IN/iA accept it.
 

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If you think Russia can under such circumstances develope a be-all-end-all weapon then you must be the ones believing in miracle.

The newest Aegis system can probably handle a missile that flies and maneuvers twice as fast. Further more Russian specs are known to be greatly exaggerated, I wouldn't be surprised if Brahmos turns out to be a total lemon (one has to wonder why is it so that so few buyers (basically 3rd world countries barred from buying arms from the west) are buying this 'indefendable' weapon?)

90% of above is garbage at its best..

Based on your expert opinion PJ-10 is suppose to be lemon ? that is why now days newer gen Counter Missiles comes with special tag Call ' effective against Supersonic ASM ' ..


Write all this BS in some Horse & pony show forum not here..
 
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The Indian-Israeli Barak-8 programme - more than meets the eye - Ariel View

The Indian-Israeli Barak-8 programme - more than meets the eye


Cooperation between Israel and India includes the main ingredients of vast defence collaboration between the two countries. This is so because of the budget and technology involved.

The Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Barak-8 missile system is the focus of a memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed recently between Bharat Electronics Limited India (BEL) and the Israeli company.

The Barak-8 is a long-range anti-air and anti-missile naval defence system being developed jointly by IAI and the Defence Research & Development Organization (DRDO) of India.

The missile is designed to defend ships from aircraft, unmanned air systems and anti-ship missiles and is expected to enter service with the Indian navy this year.

In January 2006 India and Israel signed a $350 million agreement to co-develop a new generation of long-range surface-to-air missiles for the Indian navy.

Subsequently, in April 2009 Israel signed a $1.1 billion deal to deliver the Barak-8 air defence system to India. Deliveries are expected to be concluded by 2017.

For several years IAI has been engaged in joint development programmes with the DRDO and Indian defence industries for the Indian navy and Indian air force, including joint manufacturing of sub-systems.

According to the MOU, BEL will function as the lead integrator and produce major sub-systems. IAI will continue to act as the design authority and produce sub-systems as a main sub-contractor of BEL.

Barak-8 missiles will be installed on the three Project 15A Kolkata-class guided-missile destroyers under construction at the Mazagon shipyard in India.

Delivery of the first vessel is scheduled for later this year. Operational status aboard the ship is expected next year.

The cooperation between India and Israel on the Barak-8 has a far more reaching meaning than it may appear at first glance.

It brings the resources of the two countries together - and this will undoubtedly result in more such programmes.
 
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India & Israel’s Barak SAM Development Project(s)

India & Israel's Barak SAM Development Project(s)



Over a development timeline measured in decades, India's indigenous "Akash" and "Trishul" programs for surface to air missiles have failed to inspire full confidence. Trishul was eventually canceled entirely. Akash had a a long, difficult development period, but seems to have found customer acceptance and a solid niche in the rugged terrain of the northeast. India still needed longer-range advanced SAMs to equip its navy and army, however, and decided to try to duplicate the success of the partnership model that had fielded the excellent Indo-Russian PJ-10 BrahMos supersonic cruise missile.

In February 2006, therefore, Israel and India signed a joint development agreement to create a new Barak-NG medium shipborne air defense missile, as an evolution of the Barak-1 system in service with both navies. In July 2007 the counterpart MR-SAM project began moving forward, aiming to develop a medium range SAM for use with India's land forces. Both missiles would now be called Barak-8. In between, "India to Buy Israeli "SPYDER" Mobile Air Defense System" covered India's move to begin buying mobile, short-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems for its army, based on the Python and Derby air-to-air missiles in service with its air force and naval aircraft. These projects offer India a way forward to address its critical air defense weaknesses, and upgrade "protection of vital and strategic ground assets and area air defence." This DID FOCUS article will cover the Barak-8 and closely related programs in India, Israel, and beyond.
 
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The Barak, and Barak-8

supersonic, vertically-launched short range air defense system, with an operational range of about 10 km/ 6 miles. That pushes it past the standard ranges of shoulder-launched options with naval counterparts, like the MBDA Mistral/SIMBAD or Saab Boofors' RBS-70, but short of other small vertical launch options like the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow. Its closest western competitors on the international market are probably Raytheon's horizontally-fired Amero-German RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile, and MBDA's flexible Crotale VT-1/NG. Key attributes include a compact 8-cell vertical launching system that weighs just 1,700 kg, coupled with an equally compact 1,300 kg fire control system. This makes it easier to instal in small ships, and to retrofit into older vessels.

Barak-1 reportedly in service with at Israel, Chile, India, Singapore, and Venezuela .

India bought over $300 million worth of these missiles as a substitute for the indigenous but long-delayed Trishul ("Trident") missile project, and Barak systems now equip many of the ships in India's Navy. The missile's fast response time, effectiveness against missile threats, and compact size are considerable assets, but they are currently offset somewhat by its short range.

Barak 8 display

The Navy's Barak-NG/ LR-SAM project aimed to give the missiles a much longer reach, with the intention of making it India's primary naval SAM. The project was later renamed Barak 8. According to Defense News, the project features funding from American military aid dollars, as well as Indian cooperation and private/governmental funding in Israel. An Israeli source, on the other hand, has told DID that the USA has no claim on the Barak-8"²s intellectual property. DID has been unable to verify he exact situation; but if the USA has no IP or significant American-made components in the Barak AMD system, it would have implications for both procurement funding sources and export policy.

The Barak 8 missile reportedly extends its range to 60-70 km/ up to 42 miles, thanks to a dual-pulse solid rocket motor whose second "pulse" fires as the missile approaches its target. This ensures that the missile isn't just coasting in the final stages, giving it more than one chance at a fast, maneuvering target.

The missile's most important feature may be its active seeker. Instead of forcing its ship or land-based radar to "paint"/illuminate its target at all times, the Barak 8 can be left alone once it is close to its target. This is an excellent approach for dealing with saturation attacks using older ship radars, which can track many targets but illuminate just a few. It's also very useful for land-based systems, which will survive longer against enemy anti-radar missiles (ARMs) if they can turn themselves on and off to confuse enemy seekers, without worrying that they will lose all of their effectiveness.

That kind of performance vaults the Barak 8 past widespread options like the RIM-162 ESSM, or entires like VL-MICA on land. Though the Barak-8 may compete globally with those systems, a better comparison would be naval missiles like Raytheon's SM-2 Block IIIA and MBDA's Aster-15, or land-based options like the Patriot. The Barak 8"²s active seeker would even give it a performance advantage over the SM-2, and corresponds more closely to the SM-6 currently in development. One wild card is the Barak's potential use in a point defense role against ballistic missiles, a role that can be played by some of its more advanced competitors on land or sea. This capability is implied in the land-based system's name, but has not been discussed publicly or validated in publicly announced tests.

The naval Barak-8 reportedly maintains its principle of using compact launchers and systems. Reports regarding its range vary from 70-120 km. Its ancillary capabilities will always depend on the radar and combat system aboard its ship.

The land-based Barak 8 Air and Missile Defense (AMD) system includes several components:

RAFAEL supplies the Barak-8 interceptor missile, which remains vertically launched.
The battle management, command, control, communication and intelligence center (BMC4I) is produced by the MBT Division of IAI's Missiles, Systems, and Space Group; it offers both stand alone operation for a single fire unit, and joint task force coordination (JTC).
IAI ELTA Systems Ltd. supplies the Land-Based Multi-Function Surveillance, Track & Guidance Radar (LB-MF-STAR), a rotating S-band digital Active Electronic Steering Array (AESA) Radar System that can deliver an accurate, high quality arena situation picture, and extract low radar cross section targets like stealthy cruise missiles, even in the toughest environmental conditions. The naval MF-STAR is expected to be part of Israel's next-generation missile frigates.
In Israel, the Barak-8 is slated to equip its next-generation frigates, and may find its way to other roles. India expects to field the missiles on land and sea. Beyond those 2 countries, export prospects beckon for a missile that may offer a value-priced naval alternative to Raytheon's Standard-2 and MBDA's Aster-15.
 
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The Navy: LR-SAM


India has 2 different programs that could use the new longer-range Barak missile. The naval Barak-NG, or LR-SAM deal, was the first. Signed in 2006, it's worth INR 26.06 billion (about $591 million at then-conversion) as of December 2009.

India's Navy has decided as a matter of policy that it will only mount medium-long range surface-to-air missile systems on future warships, as opposed to depending on short range systems that might protect a ship, but don't offer layered defense for the rest of the fleet. This was an early sign of its transition to a more of a "blue water" navy that can reach into high-threat areas, and a logical complement to India's establishment of a serious carrier force beginning with INS Vikramaditya (ex Admiral Gorshkov ).

Hence the 2006 Barak-NG naval agreement, which gives India an upgraded version of a familiar system, extends India's technological capabilities, fosters economic ties and integration at sub-component levels, and helps the Israelis build a new system that meets some of their own emerging requirements. The new system would reportedly have a range of 50-60 km.

Making that happen required some loosening of bureaucratic constraints on India's defense industry. Based on projections of need and the high cost of air defense systems, India's Ministry of Defence began initiatives under which Indian state-owned agencies can forge joint co-development and co-production ventures with foreign companies. The rationale is that under these partnerships, much of the underlying technology will remain in India. Israel has risen to become one of India's largest defense industry partners, and may be on its way to surpassing Russia as India's largest partner.

That rise, India's previous positive experiences with Barak, and the opportunity to help develop new technologies instead of buying them, all led India toward Israel for its next-generation naval SAM partnership.

Israel Aerospace Industries will be the key partner, and will contribute most of the applicable technology, just as Russia did for the BrahMos by offering its SS-N-26 Oniks missile as the base platform. 2011 Barak-8 materials show Indian firms contributing the dual-pulse rocket motor, associated motor arming/safing mechanisms, and the pneumatic actuation system. On the other hand, India Defence reports that IAI and its Israeli partners have agreed to transfer all relevant technologies and manufacturing capabilities to India.
 
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Land-Based: MR-SAM


The Barak-8"²s follow-on project involves a land-based system, intended to replace old Russian systems. Most reports place MR-SAM's desired capabilities at 70 km/ 42 mile range effective range, with 360 degree coverage, plus the ability to engage multiple targets simultaneously. As The Times of India put it, in 2007:

"The project is crucial because, as highlighted by TOI earlier, there are still "many gaping holes" in India's radar network and the armed forces only have near-obsolete air defence units like Russian Pechora [DID: upgraded SA-3], OSA-AK [DID: SA-8B, scheduled for interim upgrades ], and Igla [DID: SA-16 shoulder-fired] missile systems.

Sources peg the MR-SAM project as an extension of the ongoing DRDO-Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) project, launched in January 2006 at a cost of $480 million, to develop a supersonic 60-km Barak-NG (new-generation) missile defence system for Navy."

India Defence and the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz also reported that MR-SAM would be an extension of work done on the Barak-NG deal, and this seems to be the general consensus.


The DRDO Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will be the 'prime developer' for the MR-SAM project, which will reportedly have a Rs 2,300 crore (INR 23 billion, about $445 million at signing in 2009) indigenous component within an estimated Rs 10,075 crore (INR 100.75 billion, about $1.95 billion at signing) total. The 4-5 year project aims to provide India's military with 9 advanced air defense squadrons, each with 2 MR-SAM firing units. Each MR-SAM unit, in turn, would consist of a command and control center, an acquisition radar, a guidance radar, and 3 launchers with 8 missiles each.

MR-SAM's total would therefore be 10 C2 centers, 18 acquisition radars, 18 guidance radars, and 54 launchers, armed with 432 ready-to-fire missiles. Some reports have placed total missile orders as high as 2,000, which would add a significant reserve stockpile to replenish missiles in any conflict.

Indian sources estimated a 4-year, $300 million System Design & Development phase to develop unique system elements, and produce an initial tranche of the land-based missiles. As of its approval by the Cabinet Committee on Security in July 2007, MR-SAM surpassed the BrahMos project in size, and may be the largest joint defense development project ever undertaken between India and any other country.
 

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India-Israel joint venture to manufacture missiles fails to take off

HYDERABAD: The joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Israeli Aerospace Industry to manufacture Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR SAM) and Medium Range Surface-to-Air Missile (MR-SAM) has turned out to be a non-starter.

The long range missiles were to have been delivered to the Indian Navy by 2012 while the medium range missiles should be in the Indian Air Force weaponry by 2017. However, both the delivery schedules are way behind schedule and show no signs of meeting them even in the near future.

DRDO officials are blaming the lack of progress in the joint venture due to lack of transparency and non-transfer of technology by their Israeli counterparts. And the recent trials that were conducted by the Indian defence organization failed to meet the standards of both the IAF and the Indian Navy. The entire cost of Rs 12,500 crore of the joint venture is being funded by India and the inordinate delay and lack of progress in the project has turned into a big cause of worry in the defence ministry.

According to sources, the LR-SAMs project was commissioned in 2006 and the delivery of the missiles to the Indian Navy should have happened by 2012. Similarly, the MR-SAM venture was signed in 2009 and the missiles are to be delivered to the Indian Air Force by 2017. Both both the projects are way behind schedule and show no signs of making progress.

"Frankly speaking, right now, not much is going on in the joint venture due to various issues between the two sides. Expecting Israel to share its technology with India is unfair. But such things should have been clarified before the joint venture was entered into," said an official.

DRDO is maintaining that it is because of the lack of transfer of technology that the trials that have been conducted so far have ended up as failures. "Industries are merely getting the drawings as to how to produce certain systems and such things are leading to deviations from the laid down specifications because the knowledge to develop the systems is not being imparted," said the sources.

DRDO officials are also attributing the delay to complicated and long procedure involving shuttling between India and Israel for various stages of development of a system etc. The Hyderabad-based Indian defence organization also reportedly found itself helpless on problems in propulsion system and other related issues while a significant number of parts or systems are yet to be tested following a delay in manufacturing.

However, when quizzed on the issue, DRDO Director General Avinash Chander told TOI that nothing was amiss. "Everything is going on as per the plan and development trials are on. We shall be able to deliver the MR-SAMs as per schedule. Right now, the contribution from India in the joint venture project is about 20% and would ultimately reach 80% in the final stages."

Regarding the already delayed LR-SAM, DRDO officials are not coming on record. MR-SAM, one of the major demands of the forces, is to have a range of 70 kms or so, and the IAF is banking on replacing its ageing Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles with the MR-SAMs. But nobody is sure how long the wait is going to be, and whether the delivery will take place at all.
India-Israel joint venture to manufacture missiles fails to take off - The Times of India
 

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