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Naval Barak-8 Missiles, Israel, India
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it hit both times but second hit was partial with small part off shrapnel damaging the second missile
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it is 8 target per panel 16 max so in some situation only 8 target
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Wow.. with all the Arjun bashing in the other thread, I look up to this thread for comfort. Thanks for the info about the brahmos pack leader, quite interesting indeed.
really liked this one, although I wish they wouldn't hide as much
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really liked this one, although I wish they wouldn't hide as much
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As with most radars, not all 4 panels are illuminated at the same time. For more power, it would mean a greater range, but only from one panel.
So, if there is an enemy ship in front of you then turn on the panel facing 12 O'clock and you can engage whatever the enemy throws at you while you hit him with what you got.
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Even if it is 64, with 8 missiles per VLS unit it means 8 such VLS units
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WELL good news for both india & israel ,
well it is important for israel as syria has recently acquired supersonic cruise missile ,so it is important for them to induct in it's warships as soon as possible .
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the ISN is submarine centric
we can control the med and blockade Syria without risk of missile attack
surface fleet expansion is expected in 2015
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Israel Defense | "Barak 8" versus "Yakhont" | Naval
"Barak 8" versus "Yakhont"
Israel's defense establishment is concerned about Russia's decision to supply Syria with "Yakhont" anti-ship missiles that can hit a target at ranges of hundreds of kilometers while traveling at a speed greater than Mach 2. Israel has not been idle: the "Barak 8" missile is being developed in a huge arms deal with India
The Israeli defense establishment is increasingly disturbed over Russia's decision to supply the Syrian army with the "Yakhont" – a supersonic, shore-to-ship cruise missile (known in the West as P-800 Oniks). To counter this threat, Israeli missile boats will soon be equipped with "Barak 8" anti-missile missiles - the advanced version of "Barak 1". Israel's defense industries are developing a similar version for the Indian navy, even as other Indian defense industries work with Russia on a local version of the "Yakhont".
Published accounts of Russia's intention to sell the "Yakhont" to Syria, first appeared in 2009. The following year Russia officially announced its decision to go through with the deal, in spite of Israel's political efforts to block it. Israeli security officials have recently informed IsraelDefense that the missile deal appears cut-and-dried. According to Israeli estimates, despite Russia's interest in maintaining good relations with the West, and its 2010 decision to procure UAVs and technology transfer from Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) (estimated at over $400 million), the sale of advanced weapons to Syria, defined as "defensive armaments", is important to Russia for economic reasons and retaining its regional status.
"Yakhont" poses a veritable nightmare for the Israeli navy given its offensive capability which is a giant leap ahead of present-day shore-to-ship missiles in the region. The new missile can hit a vessel 300 kilometers from the shore with a powerful warhead packed with a 200 kilogram load of explosives. This means that Israeli ships will be under almost permanent threat from the "Yakhont" (which will probably be delivered, with Israel's knowledge, to Hezbollah).
The "Yakhont's" specs make it extremely difficult to intercept since it's a "sea skimming" missile: fifteen kilometers from the target it drops to an altitude of ten meters above the water, making it practically impossible for radar to detect. The missile cruises at a truly incredible velocity - more than twice the speed of sound (Mach two), and its radar homing device is built in such a way that electro-optic defense systems are all but at a loss "to lock" onto it once it's in flight. The Indian version of the missile, called "BrahMos", is already in an advanced stage of development.
Israel's "Barak 8" defense system for protection against shore-to-ship missiles began in 2000 as a joint project of the navy, IAI, Rafael, and the Defense Ministry's Research and Development Authority (MAFAT). The system is planned to replace "Barak 1" missiles that have been operational for some time. The new system, "Barak 8", is designed to protect not only missile boats but also warship groups engaged in joint operations in a given area. The goal is to cover the entire group with circumferential protection by sending data from the vessels' radar systems to a command and control (C2) system, and coordinating the data between the vessels in order to create a composite picture of the battle and impending threats. The moment a threat is detected, the system issues a fire order to each of the systems mounted on the ships' decks according to their expediency for neutralizing the threat.
"Barak 8" is a single-stage missile with fixed stabilizers in its lower section and flight control surfaces in its nose. It's mounted in vertically fixed, cylindrical launch canisters below the ship's deck. During target engagement, the missile is vertically launched and immediately enters in flight horizontal position in order to hit and destroy the target, all the while receiving navigational updates from the vessel's guidance system. When the target enters the range of the independent detection systems, the missile zeroes in and destroys the target.
"Barak 8" has a sophisticated seeker designed to intercept low-flying aircraft and sea-skimming missiles in any type of weather.
Developed for the Israeli navy, has been adapted for India's naval needs. The project's development and production, and integration into the Indian navy, in the deal signed in 2009, is considered one of the largest projects in the history of Israel's defense industries. The scope of the transaction is in the billions of dollars. The Indian version of the missile is also designed to be shore launched, thus protecting the subcontinent from sea and air threats.
Management of the project required the establishment of the new "Air Defense Plant", a subsidiary of IAI, in late 2009.Testing "Barak 8's" systems began in 2007. It is currently being tested on "Sa'ar 5"-class corvettes and will become operational in 2011. Next year the system will be installed on
Indian ships and in static shore bases.
"Barak 8" versus "Yakhont"
Israel's defense establishment is concerned about Russia's decision to supply Syria with "Yakhont" anti-ship missiles that can hit a target at ranges of hundreds of kilometers while traveling at a speed greater than Mach 2. Israel has not been idle: the "Barak 8" missile is being developed in a huge arms deal with India
The Israeli defense establishment is increasingly disturbed over Russia's decision to supply the Syrian army with the "Yakhont" – a supersonic, shore-to-ship cruise missile (known in the West as P-800 Oniks). To counter this threat, Israeli missile boats will soon be equipped with "Barak 8" anti-missile missiles - the advanced version of "Barak 1". Israel's defense industries are developing a similar version for the Indian navy, even as other Indian defense industries work with Russia on a local version of the "Yakhont".
Published accounts of Russia's intention to sell the "Yakhont" to Syria, first appeared in 2009. The following year Russia officially announced its decision to go through with the deal, in spite of Israel's political efforts to block it. Israeli security officials have recently informed IsraelDefense that the missile deal appears cut-and-dried. According to Israeli estimates, despite Russia's interest in maintaining good relations with the West, and its 2010 decision to procure UAVs and technology transfer from Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) (estimated at over $400 million), the sale of advanced weapons to Syria, defined as "defensive armaments", is important to Russia for economic reasons and retaining its regional status.
"Yakhont" poses a veritable nightmare for the Israeli navy given its offensive capability which is a giant leap ahead of present-day shore-to-ship missiles in the region. The new missile can hit a vessel 300 kilometers from the shore with a powerful warhead packed with a 200 kilogram load of explosives. This means that Israeli ships will be under almost permanent threat from the "Yakhont" (which will probably be delivered, with Israel's knowledge, to Hezbollah).
The "Yakhont's" specs make it extremely difficult to intercept since it's a "sea skimming" missile: fifteen kilometers from the target it drops to an altitude of ten meters above the water, making it practically impossible for radar to detect. The missile cruises at a truly incredible velocity - more than twice the speed of sound (Mach two), and its radar homing device is built in such a way that electro-optic defense systems are all but at a loss "to lock" onto it once it's in flight. The Indian version of the missile, called "BrahMos", is already in an advanced stage of development.
Israel's "Barak 8" defense system for protection against shore-to-ship missiles began in 2000 as a joint project of the navy, IAI, Rafael, and the Defense Ministry's Research and Development Authority (MAFAT). The system is planned to replace "Barak 1" missiles that have been operational for some time. The new system, "Barak 8", is designed to protect not only missile boats but also warship groups engaged in joint operations in a given area. The goal is to cover the entire group with circumferential protection by sending data from the vessels' radar systems to a command and control (C2) system, and coordinating the data between the vessels in order to create a composite picture of the battle and impending threats. The moment a threat is detected, the system issues a fire order to each of the systems mounted on the ships' decks according to their expediency for neutralizing the threat.
"Barak 8" is a single-stage missile with fixed stabilizers in its lower section and flight control surfaces in its nose. It's mounted in vertically fixed, cylindrical launch canisters below the ship's deck. During target engagement, the missile is vertically launched and immediately enters in flight horizontal position in order to hit and destroy the target, all the while receiving navigational updates from the vessel's guidance system. When the target enters the range of the independent detection systems, the missile zeroes in and destroys the target.
"Barak 8" has a sophisticated seeker designed to intercept low-flying aircraft and sea-skimming missiles in any type of weather.
Developed for the Israeli navy, has been adapted for India's naval needs. The project's development and production, and integration into the Indian navy, in the deal signed in 2009, is considered one of the largest projects in the history of Israel's defense industries. The scope of the transaction is in the billions of dollars. The Indian version of the missile is also designed to be shore launched, thus protecting the subcontinent from sea and air threats.
Management of the project required the establishment of the new "Air Defense Plant", a subsidiary of IAI, in late 2009.Testing "Barak 8's" systems began in 2007. It is currently being tested on "Sa'ar 5"-class corvettes and will become operational in 2011. Next year the system will be installed on
Indian ships and in static shore bases.
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It makes sense to adapt Barak-8 for airborne launch - Ariel View
It makes sense to adapt Barak-8 for airborne launch
There is no official answer to the question, but will Israel Aerospace Industries' (IAI) Barak-8 air defence missile be adapted for launch from airborne platforms?
While IAI sources confirm it is possible, they are not indicating whether such a move is planned.
At this stage, IAI is still completing development of the missile. According to press reports in Asia the first client will be India, which signed a US $2 billion contract that includes maritime and land versions of the missile.
The Barak-8 is equipped with a fully active seeker and does not depend on the launcher for targeting and guidance. Thus, it can perform at much longer ranges, offering effective protection from aerial threats, manned and unmanned, as well as guided weapons.
Covering both low and high altitudes, the missile is designed for operation on board ships as well as for terrestrial applications.
The Barak-8 has also been designed to engage multiple targets simultaneously. The Indian Air Force plans to re-equip nine air defence squadrons with the new missile, each including two batteries comprising a multi-mission radar system performing target acquisition and guidance, a command-and-control element and three container-launchers, each mounting eight missiles.
The missile developed for the Indian defence forces is the MR version, while IAI is offering a longer range version with added boosters.
It is a big question but it makes a lot of sense to adapt the Barak-8 for airborne launch.
It would not be the first time operational missiles have been converted. Rafael used two advanced air-to-air missiles and made them part of the Spyder point defence surface-to-air system.
The trend is clear - take an existing operational missile and use it on another launch platform.
This is not always possible but there is no doubt many of the new missiles developed in Israel have been designed with that option in mind.
It makes sense to adapt Barak-8 for airborne launch
There is no official answer to the question, but will Israel Aerospace Industries' (IAI) Barak-8 air defence missile be adapted for launch from airborne platforms?
While IAI sources confirm it is possible, they are not indicating whether such a move is planned.
At this stage, IAI is still completing development of the missile. According to press reports in Asia the first client will be India, which signed a US $2 billion contract that includes maritime and land versions of the missile.
The Barak-8 is equipped with a fully active seeker and does not depend on the launcher for targeting and guidance. Thus, it can perform at much longer ranges, offering effective protection from aerial threats, manned and unmanned, as well as guided weapons.
Covering both low and high altitudes, the missile is designed for operation on board ships as well as for terrestrial applications.
The Barak-8 has also been designed to engage multiple targets simultaneously. The Indian Air Force plans to re-equip nine air defence squadrons with the new missile, each including two batteries comprising a multi-mission radar system performing target acquisition and guidance, a command-and-control element and three container-launchers, each mounting eight missiles.
The missile developed for the Indian defence forces is the MR version, while IAI is offering a longer range version with added boosters.
It is a big question but it makes a lot of sense to adapt the Barak-8 for airborne launch.
It would not be the first time operational missiles have been converted. Rafael used two advanced air-to-air missiles and made them part of the Spyder point defence surface-to-air system.
The trend is clear - take an existing operational missile and use it on another launch platform.
This is not always possible but there is no doubt many of the new missiles developed in Israel have been designed with that option in mind.
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What is an airborne launch?
Air to Air Missile (AAM) like AMRAAM, MICA, Python-5 and Derby (both used in SPYDER SAM System, only SAM system to employ two different missiles on one launcher), Aim-9X, Astra (there was talk of modifying Astra into a SAM system some time ago), etc., ...........
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You know we have an air launched Prithvi
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I have not read about this anywhere else. Is this true?
Also, DRDO is developing a dual pulsed motor for this. Will Israel be using the same motor or a different one?
I have a feeling that this version is for India only and whatever Israel orders for itself will be iterations of this missile.
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Israel Defense | Global Interest in IAI's New Barak-8 System
Global Interest in IAI's New Barak-8 System
At least two countries have shown considerable interest in acquiring the Barak 8 missile designed by Israel )Aerospace Industries (IAI) for defending naval vessels against surface and air missiles. The chief client interested in the missile is India. In 2009 IAI signed a deal with India estimated at approximately $2 billion, which also included the Barak-8 missile system, among other things.
India is equipping its combat vessels with the missile (which will also be used by the ground forces of the Indian Military) which are intended to protect strategic facilities. The missile's unique radar system is manufactured by Elta, IAI's subsidiary.
The Barak-8 can protect military units and facilities against aircraft, helicopters, and cruise missiles. The new missile possesses a range of more than 70 km, and according to experts, is the only one of its kind in the world.
In recent months, several countries received details of the new missile, which experts say excels in "operational flexibility," and possesses great capability for destroying threatening targets such as naval cruise missiles. It remains unclear if India – which according to foreign sources, funded part of the development – will need to approve export to additional countries. However, even if it does, it is unlikely that this will pose a problem, given that it is a defense system.
Global Interest in IAI's New Barak-8 System
At least two countries have shown considerable interest in acquiring the Barak 8 missile designed by Israel )Aerospace Industries (IAI) for defending naval vessels against surface and air missiles. The chief client interested in the missile is India. In 2009 IAI signed a deal with India estimated at approximately $2 billion, which also included the Barak-8 missile system, among other things.
India is equipping its combat vessels with the missile (which will also be used by the ground forces of the Indian Military) which are intended to protect strategic facilities. The missile's unique radar system is manufactured by Elta, IAI's subsidiary.
The Barak-8 can protect military units and facilities against aircraft, helicopters, and cruise missiles. The new missile possesses a range of more than 70 km, and according to experts, is the only one of its kind in the world.
In recent months, several countries received details of the new missile, which experts say excels in "operational flexibility," and possesses great capability for destroying threatening targets such as naval cruise missiles. It remains unclear if India – which according to foreign sources, funded part of the development – will need to approve export to additional countries. However, even if it does, it is unlikely that this will pose a problem, given that it is a defense system.
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