NATO Expansion: Threat to World Peace

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  1. Razor

    Razor STABLE GENIUS Moderator

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    Lol. Attempt to make people here, self conscious about not falling in line with your ideas noted/thwarted.

    Well, this isn't a finnish forum, so you will have to accept that there are going to be a variety of views, rather than a monolithic view towards certain nations/nationalities, as expected in your finnish forums. This is probably why you "dare not mention it", as the castles you built/build in the sky, may get demolished.

    Also coming to "slave soul" of Russians: How many revolutions have there been in Russia and then compare with revolutions in finland :hmm:
     
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    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    Finland and Russia has had equal amount of revolutions. The only difference is that Finnish revolution failed. Regarding slave soul it was just today's news that Stalin is gaining popularity in Russia.
     
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    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    I appreciate your long post. I am also starting to believe you have a wide knowledge of history. Unfortunately knowing does not always equal understanding. I also honestly start to admire Indian society, India should take more prominent role at world stage.
     
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    Razor STABLE GENIUS Moderator

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    So what, popularity of Hitler's ideas are also on the rise in Europe and America.

    Note: I'm not equating Hitler to Stalin.
     
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    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    LOL, don't compare few skinheads at US and EU to systematical rise of popularity of Stalinism in Russian society as a whole. Russia is looking back to glorious superpower days when empire stretched from Vladivostok to Wolfsburg, and who to better symbolize that than "father sunshine"
     
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    Razor STABLE GENIUS Moderator

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    Your initial premise was that increase in popularity of Stalin demonstrates the Russian "slave soul". And now you connect increase in Stalin's popularity to Russian's "looking back to glorious superpower days".
    So, in conclusion you say that Russian's looking back to "glorious superpower days" is an expression of the "slave soul" of the Russians. Okay, I got it.
     
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    I'm glad that you got it. It is exactly so.
     
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    Razor STABLE GENIUS Moderator

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    Cool, I'm glad that you confirmed.
    :tongue:
     
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    happy Senior Member Senior Member

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    In essence, he is just trying to catch his tail :p
     
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    Good job baiting Pmaitra. It's not so much so much knowing =/= understanding on his part as his knowledge came two minutes ago via >Google>Wikipedia. He was saying on another thread that Lenin gave Finland it's independence, which is technically true and probably on wiki, but had no understanding what that "giving of Independence" meant

    :rofl::rofl::rofl: Hitler's popularity... just no

    P.S. Can't anyone tell me what Happy said? I'm not allergic to salty language and Pmaitra "defending me" is the about the most ironic thing I can think of.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Lot of verbiage, zero content.

    Also, try to move beyond Wiki. I remember you delivering this hackneyed retort to @Ray Sir, IIRC, "presumably copy-pasted from Wiki." I understand you cannot think of anything else. Broaden your horizon.

    Also, if you want to have an honest debate, you are most welcome.

    Here is your signature, or part thereof:
    No, you are attempting to converse with me, but you find yourself in an awkward situation. Don't worry, you are not the only one who speaks too much too quickly. I know you are seeking attention. Use the '@' symbol before my nomme-de-plume.

    I am allergic to salty language, so use that with your salty company in the salty waters on a fishing trawler.

    I am not defending you. I am defending the forum rules. No need to self-aggrandize.
     
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    Your memory is affected by your irrational anti-American obsession and pro-Russian sentiment long nurtured by socialist(communist) Congress political philosophy.
    The only threat to India came from that most anti-India Nixon during the Bangladesh war.Even then Nixon did not have full support .Those who ran the State Dept were against the "tilt".
    As for the Soviets - where did they stand in 1962?And what did we sacrifice when Indiraji signed that Treaty Of Friendship.
    Its time we signed a Treaty Of Friendship with Uncle Sam to rein in the dragon that Nehru brought to our doorstep by selling out the Tibetans.
     
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  15. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    The United States is quasi-allied with Communist Viet-Nam. The United States was also allied with Communist China in 1971. Ideology is certainly not the case here. Moreover, Russia is more capitalist that the United States today. We are not living in the 80s. So, please come out of your irrational anti-Communist bias that has nothing to do with this Russo-US quarrel, or India's decision making in relation to that.
    The US has been arming Pakistan since its inception. The US created the Mujahideen-Taliban-al-Qaida mess in Af-Pak, and there have been 54,000 casualties (fifty four thousand). This intensified since 1989.
    Irrelevant. Nixon did what he had to do, and he gave a tuppence about what the Congress said. I, for one, don't believe in this "democracy, democracy" hubris. The fact remains, the US presidents have acted in an authoritarian manner on many occasions.
    The Sino-Soviet split happened in 1960.
    We sacrificed nothing. India gained far more than what the USSR gained. We did not have a Soviet military base in India. The same cannot be said about Japan.
    Absolutely not. Uncle Sam has massive trade volumes with the Dragon. They will never fight the Dragon. India should stay neutral.
     
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    I 100% agree with what @pmaitra has said above and NO, I am not a Pro-Russia sympathiser.

    Apart from Nixon whom you have termed as "most anti-India", I would ask you to name the "most for-India" President of the USA and what he has contributed thus far ?? To make it simpler for you, IMHO, there is NONE, ever.....

    Why have they been arming Pak ?............The only reason - To contain India.

    I don't need to ask you about Pak...right ??

    What is their goal ??

    What do they gain ??

    What do we gain from friendship ??

    Are they reliable ?? How and Why ??

    What is the "War on Terror" ??

    Who is OBL ?? What role did he have in 9/11 ??

    What did Gaddafi and Saddam do to deserve such a treatment??

    Who authorized USA to treat them as such ??

    What is happening in Libya & Syria ??

    What is ISIS and why is it formed and how ??

    What is NATO, it's objectives and goals ?? What is it's current status ??

    If you can answer these questions in depth, then I guess you will have your own answers.
     
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  17. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    My Case against NATO

    The Soviet Union is gone. Communism is gone. So should be permanent war.


    Eric Zuesse [SOURCE]

     
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    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    NATO should expand towards Jihadi strongholds like Iraq, Syria and Yemen .. few NA countries too ... main problem is saudi arabia , but as long as they have Obama's balls in a vice ... :lol:
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    NATO Would Probably Lose a War Against Russia

    Shellback [SOURCE]

     
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