National Assembly Ratifies Sharia Bill for imposition of Sharia in Swat

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  1. Soham

    Soham DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    Allright. Thats valid.
    Then why doesn't your Govt. allow NATO/US forces to enter from the West and clear them out ?
     
  2. musalman

    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    Coz at the end of the day we are all one :) Taleban Jamat PPP PML , Pakistani
     
  3. johnee

    johnee Elite Member Elite Member

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    and if the taliban marches towards islamabad and lahore, wat would PA do then? will it surrender them also just like swat, becoz 'soldiers dont want to fight their own ppl'?
     
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    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    They won't do anything.
     
  5. EnlightenedMonk

    EnlightenedMonk Member of The Month JULY 2009 Senior Member

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    Come on yaar... You mean to say that when Taliban marches on Islamabad and Lahore and tries to wrest control from the Government the PA won't do anything but just stand by and watch ???

    Isn't that complicity in such a serious case ???
     
  6. Flint

    Flint Senior Member Senior Member

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    Cannot fight their own people? That didn't seem to apply in 1971 East Pakistani, did it? PA fought its own people quite brutally then.
     
  7. Soham

    Soham DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    Terrorists have no nation friend. Their nation is Wahabism.
    They fight, torture and kill in God's name.

    Honestly, would you want Pakistan to turn into what Afghanistan became under the Taliban ?
    When will your country realize that your real enemy is not India, but elements inside your community ?
     
  8. Flint

    Flint Senior Member Senior Member

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    Pakistani Peace Deal Gives New Clout to Taliban Rebels
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123963706622913745.html
    By ZAHID HUSSAIN and MATTHEW ROSENBERG

    MINGORA, Pakistan -- Thousands of Islamist militants are pouring into Pakistan's Swat Valley and setting up training camps here, quickly making it one of the main bases for Taliban fighters and raising their threat to the government in the wake of a controversial peace deal.

    President Asif Ali Zardari effectively ratified the government's deal with the Taliban Monday by signing a bill that imposes Islamic law in Swat, a key plank of the accord, hours after legislators overwhelmingly approved a resolution urging it. Pakistani officials have touted the deal, reached in February, as a way to restore peaceful order in the bloodied region -- which lies just a few hours' drive from the capital -- and halt the Taliban's advance.


    Yet a visit to the Taliban-controlled valley here found mounting evidence that the deal already is strengthening the militants as a base for war. U.S. officials contend the pact has given the Taliban and its allies in al Qaeda and other Islamist groups an advantage in their long-running battle against Pakistan's military.

    The number of militants in the valley swelled in the months before the deal with the Taliban was struck, and they continue to move in, say Pakistani and U.S. officials. They now estimate there are between 6,000 and 8,000 fighters in Swat, nearly double the number at the end of last year.
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    Taliban leaders here make no secret of their ultimate aim. "Our objective is to drive out Americans and their lackeys" from Pakistan and Afghanistan, said Muslim Khan, a spokesman for the group, in an interview here. "They are not Muslims and we have to throw them out."

    Militant training camps are springing up across the valley's thickly forested mountainsides. "Young men with no prospect of employment and lack of education facilities are joining the militants," said Abdur Rehman, a schoolteacher in Swat.

    Until the fighting began nearly two years ago in the valley, it was a popular weekend getaway for well-heeled Pakistanis, known for its alpine ridges, fruit orchards and trout-filled streams. With the Taliban now imposing its harsh version of Islamic law, floggings and even executions are fast becoming commonplace. Residents said many young men are joining the militants to ensure the safety of their families, who they hope will be left in peace if one of their own is fighting the government.

    "We are all frightened by this brutality. No one can dare to challenge them," said Fazle Rabbi, who owns a cloth shop in Mingora, Swat's main town. The shop sits on a square that has become known among residents as "Slaughter Square" because the Taliban have begun using it to dump bodies after executions.

    Since the new peace deal was made, the militants are beginning to push into neighboring areas. Last week they overpowered a village militia in the adjacent Buner district. The attack was a violation of the peace accord. But the Taliban faction that controls Swat says it has no intention of withdrawing. "We want Islamic sharia [law] also to be enforced in Buner," said Mr. Khan. "No one can force us out from any part of the province."

    Many of the longer-term jihadist fighters are loyal to groups with ties to al Qaeda, such as Jaish-e-Mohammed. They have been hardened on battlefields in neighboring Afghanistan and the Kashmir region claimed by India and Pakistan -- underlining the growing confluence between the various Islamist groups fighting on either side of the Afghan-Pakistani border, the officials say.

    The Taliban and al Qaeda were once largely confined to a mountainous ribbon that runs along the Afghan border and has long existed in a semiautonomous limbo, technically part of Pakistan but never fully under the control of its government.

    In the past two years, however, the Taliban and its allies have pushed into areas where Pakistan's state had held sway, such as Swat, about 100 miles from Islamabad.

    Striking peace deals with some Taliban factions is part of Pakistan's broader strategy to counter the militants. The government's logic is that such accords can exploit the groups' fractious nature; one enemy can be neutralized with a peace deal while another is defeated on the battlefield. The deals also have been struck when the army has struggled to overcome militants. In Swat, about 3,000 militants pushed four times as many soldiers out of the valley in 18 months of fighting, leaving some 1,500 people dead.

    Nearly all the peace accords reached in the past few years in areas near the Afghan border, where the Taliban are strongest, have collapsed. Often they have left the militants more powerful. A similar deal in Swat fell apart last year after the Taliban renewed attacks on Pakistani forces.

    The Taliban's actions since the new peace deal was unveiled have alarmed Washington, where officials fear that Swat will become an effective launching pad for expansion into Pakistan's more densely populated plains. "This is a rest stop for the Taliban, it's nothing more," said a U.S. official in Washington.

    Swat now offers a glimpse of the Taliban's vision for Pakistan. They have taken control of the local government and the police, who have been ordered to shed their uniforms in favor of the traditional Shalwar Kameez, an outfit comprising a long shirt and loose trousers. They also have seized Swat's emerald mines, which extract millions of dollars a year in gemstones.

    At barbershops, notices warn men not to shave their beards. Women are no longer allowed to leave their homes without their husbands or male blood relatives. Girls' schools have been reopened after initially being closed but the students must be covered from head to toe, and Taliban officials routinely inspect classrooms for violators.

    "We used to have lots of cultural and extracurricular activities in the school, but all that has been stopped," said Ziaullah Yousaf Zai, a principal of a private girls' school in Mingora. "We do not want to give any pretext to the Taliban to shut the school again."

    Mr. Khan, the Taliban spokesman, predicted there would soon be more executions, showing off a list of people whom the Taliban want to try in Islamic courts for what he called their "anti-Islamic" ways. The list includes senior government officials, a woman whose husband is in the U.S. military, and others. Many of them have fled or are in areas outside Taliban control

    "These kinds of people should not live," said Mr. Khan, who also is a commander in the Tehrik-e-Taliban, a broader Taliban alliance focused on battling the Pakistani government.


    Islamic courts haven't yet been set up in Swat because Pakistani President Zardari had delayed signing the bill to impose sharia, as the peace deal stipulates. Until Monday, he had maintained there first must be complete peace in the valley, though he didn't explain how he would determine that, nor did he address it Monday.

    Mr. Zardari's delay was widely viewed as an attempt to save face with opponents of the deal in his own government and Washington. He relented after the Parliament vote established support from almost every national political party, said a senior official close to the president. One party walked out in opposition.

    Mr. Khan had warned of more bloodshed if Islamic law was not formally imposed. "It does not matter to us whether the peace deal stays or not. No one can stop us from setting up our own courts," he said.


    The Taliban were already imposing their own version of sharia, which has been interpreted with wide variations by Islamic scholars for centuries. Pakistani television stations recently broadcast a video of a woman being flogged by black-turbaned Taliban in Swat. Most official accounts say she was alleged to have left her house without a male blood relative.

    While Mr. Khan insisted the video was a fake, he acknowledged that such an incident did happen. "As a Muslim, we cannot allow a woman to violate Islamic values," he said.

    Write to Matthew Rosenberg at [email protected]
     
  9. Pintu

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    Musalman , my Dear brother, Terrorist's job is to terrorise people, for doing that he can use any shield may it be religious , separatism any thing. The things they hate most , Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of equal rights , Gender Equality, Right to literacy what all democracy guarantees, it is a fact that Taliban with respect to that, a out right Terrorist organisations, if their way paved by the Administration themselves, then prefix 'republic' should be removed by National Assembly, the terrorists simply don't believe in electoral process, democracy.
     
  10. Yusuf

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    Swatis wanted? Mate the tehrike e Taliban wanted and got it.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Musalman,
    When a limb of the body goes bad, it's amputed so that gangrene doesn't spread in the body. Taliban is the gangrene that has to be cut off even it's your own people
     
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    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    No Swatis wanted that Taliban capitalized on it.
     
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    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    Zardari is gangrene, Taliban are a pimple. You care for it and it will go away, u try to mess up with it and scar will remain till the rest of ur life. :)
     
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    Wow.

    Where you see a pimple the rest of the world sees a tumour that is going malignant at an alarming rate. Maybe people like you will wake up when its time for the chemotherapy.
     
  15. Daredevil

    Daredevil On Vacation! Administrator

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    And chemotherapy has very dangerous side-effects and there is no guarantee that it will cure cancer/tumor at all.
     
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    Soham DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    History speaks otherwise brother. And so will the future if Pakistan doesn't wake up in time.
     
  17. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Your mean to say Zardari is more evil than Taliban? What on earth is wrong with you. Zardari maybe no good, but Taliban is evil for sure. I cannot understand how can an ordinary Pakistani watch his country consumed by this evil?
     
  18. johnee

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    zardari is gangrene! how?
    just tell me, wat would you do differently from him, that would turn around pak's situation. but while you do that, plz remember his limitations:
    #he has to deal with unkil who wants to hunt taliban with drones,
    #he has to deal with PA which wants to 'defend' pak from INDIA and so helps behtulla survive, #he has to deal with taliban that wants to implement 'sharia' not only in swat but rest of the pak,
    #he has to deal with nawaz shariff who wants to replace him and hence takes a 'long march', #he has to deal with india which wants him to stop all 'freedom fighters' from attacking india from pak territory,
    #he has to deal with ISI which is still supporting 'freedom fighters' and launching them into india to disrupt elections,
    #he has to deal with gilani who is following his own agenda backed by kiyani,
    #he has to deal with kiyani who can follow the glorious tradition of musharraf and decide to 'cleanse' the 'democracy',
    #he has to deal with ppl of his country who hate him and call him 'Mr 10%' or 'gadari' routinely to show their contempt,
    #he has to lead a country that is economically broke but talks about war with india.

    now, tell me......keeping all those limitations in my mind, wat would you have done differently from him that would have saved pakistan?:Laie_63A:
     
  19. musalman

    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    Zaradari is more evil coz he is a chor and i do not see him going in another 10 -20 years. Taliban, well in few years they will be finish provided US does not **** up :) Taliban were among us before, if u stop killing them they will become passive and won;t do anything. I agree Taliban are more dangerous for you not for us, if we stop fighting them. :)
     
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    I get a sense of defeatism and cowardice from your post Musalman. Zardari maybe be a "chor" or Mr 10% but he is not a barbaric killer like Taliban is he? He forced to side them that's another issue and that is because your armed forces are scared of facing the Taliban.
    Want to ask a question, Pakistan talks of it's might to defeat India in war, then why has your army surrendered to a handful of barbarians?
     

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