Discussion in 'Politics & Society' started by KS, Jan 9, 2013.
Important warning from top pollster
On one hand modi has been giving hints for past 5 years that unless people organise themselves to solve some of their own systemic problems”jan bagheedari”, solutions cannot be found unless that happens.
On the other hand most people are still in “Mai baap” mode, excepting social problems to be solved by political parties.
Political parties have a role to play, but putting everything on their heads may not be the right way...
Yes, except that farmers can no longer sell their old cattle because of government/BJP pressure and the BJP/RSS compound the problem by not having a plan to deal with the problem. You now have two sets of angry voters, those who can’t sell their old cattle and those who are affected by these cattle being on the loose. This has to be a charitable organisations problem ( or the government), you can’t expect ordinary people to just deal with this problem without the means to do so.
No point in Mr.Modi saying solve your own problems, this wasn’t one of the ordinary persons making. The warning is that this problem will only grow and that no one has an adequate solution.
It is a fact that cows have a limited use and we can't afford to feed all cows even in their old age. We have to dispose off the cows at their old age to ensure that Resources are efficiently used.
Gau Mata in today's time is an invented concept and never something that was used in Vedic times. During Islamic invasion time, Gau Raksha had become important not due to love for cows but due to Muslims stealing good quality cows and butchering it, making people go without milk and ruin their economy. So, Gau Raksha was only a concept against muslims. If it is arbitrarily applied without giving limits, then it will cause problems.
RSS is a bunch of cowards who always have been cowardly and illogical. Instead of talking of direct issues, they create fictional issues like gau raksha. These cowards can't talk directly and hence just to appear fair, imposed Gau Raksha indefinitely without limits. Instead, cattle above 13 years age must be allowed to be sold for slaughtering. This is the rule in state like Tamil Nadu and should be used as template in other places. Making the issue of islamic menace into an issue of GAU Mata and causing nuisance will only backfire
I am opposed to this.
"STRAYS" are not harming that much than words such as "Slaughter THEM".
Why, just because they can't speak to you mean they are less than a living being?
If your words are followed openly everywhere in india then ALL COUNTRIES WILL GANG UP ON US BY SAYING "YOU ARE ALSO LIKE US".
Many in not so significant communities according to liberals have no problem with stray cows, living in UP and MP I can say that so don't worry.
There was a video of tarek fateh in net of how pakistan community was brandishing cow head openly in Canada.
YOUR thinking and there thinking is not that much different I found here sirjiiiiii.
Cows bring value during their prime age but once they are old they are of no use. Letting them roam stray in our country will only increase problems.
Selling cattle for food will only bring more income and increase our GDP. We have so much stray cows roaming around we can very well export that meat for a good price.
Let me put my 2 cents on Cow related issues.
First of all there is no Cow protection issue nor there ever was one in ancient India.
We Hindus worship cows because it is a useful animal. We worship everything that is useful to us. Plants, trees, rivers, animals, etc. Our dharmic concept of worship is different from Abrahamic worshiping. Our great ancestors had no problem with cow slaughter. They only advise us not to kill useful (young) cows as they provide milk. This is commonsense; don't kill a chicken as long as it lays eggs. After that our ancestors said it is okay to kill cow and eat it. Cow's body parts are also used in Ayurveda.
So where is the problem?
The fake holy cow theory is propagated by British gov who didn't understand Hinduism. After independence, Commie forces and Congress gov kept theory of holy cow on boiling pot to make Hindus look bad. These forces used their evil designs to divide India on many lines.
Unfortunately our simple minded, semi-literate people didn't understand this evil design and started believing that cows are some sacred animal that must be treated like living gods. This is utter foolishness.
So who is befitting?
Every time a cow lynching incident happens who benefits? BJP? No. Hindus? no. Cows? no.
We muslims worship quran because it is said by a pedophile-terrorist. We don't have a problem of burning Quran or drawing mohammad cartoons because we enjoyed it very much.
As far as Stray cattle: Yes, they are little problematic but we can solve it easily by capturing few of them and sent to gaushalas or simple leaving them near jungles/city outskirts.
While I dont disagree with the crux of your post, the argument that cows weren't sacred before the British came is not factual. It was sacred enough that all muslim rulers intent on converting were desecrating temples by slaughtering cows there. It's also true that an essential part of conversion in India has always been consumption of beef by the converted.
None of this takes away from the logic of your argument, there is simply no other solution to cattle past their prime , there never will be enough gaushalas.
sir this explanation had made it look even more insensitive from either the Top army brass or from the MoD. It is a very sensitive issue . Today i read Govt want to infuse 74000 crores into MTNL and BSNL and make it run . Seriously giving so much money to those fat ass govt workers who will drop of hat call for strike with unions . Cant they give 1000 crores of tax exemption for soldiers who served and got injured and affected by the service.
No, the companies of BSNL & MTNL are crucial to Indian strategic needs. BSNL has network everywhere, even in remote areas for social service. Just like post office, BSNL acts as a service institution. It was definitely bloated due to having 1.6 lakh employees but that doesn't mean BSNL should be shut down. The service of BSNL can't be given by private companies in remote areas. You may be a city dweller and don't understand the difference but people living in remote areas like Chatthisgarh Naxal areas, people in Arunachal mountains, people in NE, people in mountainous areas, deserts etc don't get anything other than BSNL.
No, cows were sacred even during ancient times. But that meant cows were to be given importance due to it providing vital milk and hence must be slaughtered only in special occasion, not the Gau Mata concept. The Gau Raksha came only because Muslims were plunderers who lived only on looting and regularly stole healthy cows. This was not invented by British.
Other than that I agree to your post.
Cows are numbering about 11 crore in India. This is more than population of cows than people in Egypt. This cow population is enough to make it 13th largest country!
These cows wouldn't be numbering this much if not for human breeding and care. So, this number is artificially inflated and hence only logical that it needs to be culled artificially too. We can't just intervene in one sided manner by only breeding cows and not eliminating them. If each cow gives a birth every 1.5 years, that will be about 6 calfs in span of 9 years, the productive life of a cow. How can anyone handle such large multiplication?
Slaughter of cows would still be problematic both for the govt and the society. While govt should encourage setting up of more Goshalas by public and non public entities, it must also explore the potential for exporting live cattle.
Don't compare Egypt type of nations with india sirji.
An Egypt will get swallowed easily in a maharashtra.
WE are different community which don't kill animals unnecessary.
Cows are not for killing when I was kid no milk was coming from mom so I grew up on cow milk.
I am a human can't kill a living being just because it's use has ended.
You take DIPLOMACY EVERYWHERE.
This issue of cows is nothing new in India. The British even commissioned studies in the early 1900's to estimate the amount of grain and grass being consumed by "stray" and unwanted cattle roaming around in the countryside. Their conclusion IIRC was that they were losing around 27-29% of total taxable revenue to these cattle and thus they authorized rounding them up for slaughter (which was done by Muslims). But in many instances the local Muzzies took the chance to inflame tensions and would deliberately lead the herds past temples on the way to slaughter grounds and make a show of mistreating the cows. Many riots ensued and the British withdrew their permission. But the practice continued for some time
Why not simply build a gaushala?
Building it is not the problem but finding grass for it is a problem
It is not unnecessary. Cow's meat will feed people and bones will be sold for a good price. Its leather will be used in shoes and belt. Its not unnecessary. Slaughter is an economic activity just like farming. If we don't want to slaughter Cows in Indian soil we can export living cows to many Muslim & African countries who will happily get the job done.
No one is talking about slaughter of milk giving cows. Its when they get old and don't give milk. Do you know how much feed a cow eats in a day. People who have cattle are very poor. They can't afford to feed cows forever. Its better they sell them and make money.
No need to get sentimental. It's just an animal. Do you cry while eating butter chicken or eating omelet? they are also animals too. This dogma attached with cows must come to an end.
People should know that many people die every year in road accidents because of stray cows. May children and elderly get seriously injured when hit by stray cows in rural and semi-rural India. Cow dung in streets produces many insects that spread disease. What about people who die because of that?
Who would take responsibility for the upkeep and maintenance? The cows are living creatures...they need to be fed, watered and looked after for years..someone has to take on the care and provide funds. To the British it was a waste of resources and they had no sentiments attached to the cow so the "easy solution" as far as they were concerned was to simply slaughter the unwanted herds.
Even today, gaushala will become a problem in a few years you will see. Cows can live a long time if taken care of, as the numbers of cows in the gaushalas starts to increase and the burden of providing their care and feed increases you will start to see noise from the government. Very few civil society elements (aside from some temples) will sustain the effort without monetary input. As the costs increase, it will become a problem. Providing adequate grass or feed will also not be simple. At some point it will require not just harvesting of wild grass but actual dedicated cultivation of fodder crop as a commodity.
There has to be some creative solution..not just gaushala. The cows can be moved around to keep fallow / unused land from over-growing with weeds. Farmers can "rent" herds to come and trim down grass in their fields during crop rotation cycles...the manure can be marketed and sold as organic fertilizer en-mass to generate a revenue stream etc etc.
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