Napoleon vs Caesar:Who is the greatest general ever?

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  1. nrupatunga

    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    [OffTopic] His name is Chingizz khan and not genghis khan. Please ensure the correct usage. [/Offtpoic]
     
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    Peter Pratik Maitra Senior Member

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    No Sir, I have been correct in using the name Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan is the same man as Chinghis/Chinghizz Khan. Generally in the vernacular history text books of WB the name Chinghis Khan appears. However ICSE/ISC board books usually use the name Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan is also used in the West to refer to that Mongol warrior. His original name is Temujin.

    Genghis Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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    He is not craziest but a general with very good tactics !!
     
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    Yes, his birth name is Temujin. He was known as Chingizz khan in his native mongolian(also in chinese). Only the west calls him genghis khan. So in every native source, he was known as Chingizz khan. So lets go by native sources.
     
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    Neither, it was Genghis Khan! second Alexander of Macedonia!
     
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    Peter Pratik Maitra Senior Member

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    Actually our ICSE books also used Genghis. However I admit it is a wrong name given by west.

    Anyway who is your favorite between the two???????????
     
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    Peter Pratik Maitra Senior Member

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    Genghis was a great conqueror but he falls in line with the likes of Attila the Hun,Vlad the Impaler and other such negative characters.

    As for the greatest generals out there it is usually Caesar,Alexander,Napoleon etc.
     
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    I do not deny he had great tactics, but to take elephants across the Alps (where many died), just to surprise Rome, was a crazy idea. Not saying it was a bad idea. He almost defeated the Romans.
     
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    Hannibal Barca had one thing in his mind, to conquer Rome from his childhood onwards. He took an oath in front of GOD and his father that he will conquer Rome.

    He may have known the route from his scouts and engineers(military) and may have got some advice from them. He took help of fire to break huge rocks, which also points to that fact, he came prepared to Rome through Alps.

    Secondly He also know about the losses he will suffer and thought of recruiting the locals as soon as he crosses the Alps which he did to boost the numbers of his army. From them on he took Rome and made it to fall to its knees. Only thing he never did is not to take Rome City thinking Rome will collapse if the surrounding areas are under his control.

    This decision proved fatal to him.
     
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    Napoleon’s Ghost – 2011 Spring Staff Ride | Sais BC Blog

    This an interesting blog post about a "staff ride" concerned with the Peninsular War in Spain. The author is Indian.

    I would like to see the staff ride concept perhaps pursued in other threads about past battles. Interested to see IA approach to them.
    @Ray @Kunal Biswas @Bhadra
     
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    The Staff Ride idea is novel.

    One wonders why we don't do so.
     
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    It is partly done in "Presentation on Military History and Campaigns" by Indian Army Formations not exactly as staff ride but as presentations and questions and answers
     
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    Many current US Army staff rides are on Civil War battlefields. Google turns up a few in Europe as well.

    I attended one on North Carolina at the site of the Battle of Monroe's Crossroads. This article describes another one.

    Airborne Officer dusts off the 'Staff Ride' | Article | The United States Army
     
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    SEAC: Featured Project
     
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    West Point cadets go to India.

    Department of History - IndiaStaffRide
     
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    You shall not under estimate Caesar because he did not meet in his lifetime nations with comparable organisation and military science, like Napoleon did. But he went to battle against ... other Romans ! . Each time Caesar was challenged on the field by another Roman general, Caesar won. In Spain and Africa notably.

    Still, Caesar' s fame comes from his phenomenal political career first ,not from his military prowesses. He did not give to posterity an Austerlitz or a battle of Cannae to study.
     
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    Backtracking on this stupid opinion after studying Alesia battle. It is actually a fantastical prowess by Caesar. Not brilliant, spectacular one day battle, but crushing , slow death victory achieved through a siege. And the unique thing with Alesia is that Romans were under siege at the same time , surrounded by ennemy .
     
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