Nag anti-tank Missile

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  1. Enquirer

    Enquirer Senior Member Senior Member

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    Interesting that CLGM can be used against armored vehicles & also against low flying helos!!
    Trishul dude had confused folks earlier by claiming CLGM was exclusively for helo targets!
    This board nicely clears up the confusion!
     
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    USA javelin also can be fired against helicopters. So, even MPATGM type missiles can work as stinger missile or VSHORAD missiles. The stinger missiles are preferred for helicopters over javelin mainly due to weight consideration and ease of protability
     
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    Wikipedia says NAG missile is 42kg in weight. Here it says it is just 18.5kg. How did the weight get reduced by more than half?
     
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    Any ATGM can be fired at low flying helicopters. A stinger is far cheaper than a Javelin which is the first reason they prefer it, the second is speed, it is much faster, the third reason is altitude and the last reason is IR. Helicopter engines get very hot and easily show up on even the cheapest IR seekers, also reducing cost. A fire-forget electro-optical seeker can be more easily confused. As you said, it also weighs much less for portability.
     
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  5. Enquirer

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    Your argument is too simplistic....
     
  6. Enquirer

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    Firstly, the pic is not of Nag, but of CLGM.
    Secondly, the base design of Nag was created more than 30 years ago! CLGM is a very recent design.
    Lastly Nag carries a heavier warhead.
     
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    India successfully test fires made-in-India MP-ATGM anti-tank missile


    The DRDO today successfully carried out the first test of Portable- Anti-tank Guided Missile (MP-ATGM), supposed to be the anti-tank missile of the Army for future. The government had withdrawn an earlier tender for buying around 5,000 Spike missiles.



    New Delhi: In a major boost to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's 'Make in India' initiative in defence, the DRDO today successfully carried out the first test of the indigenously designed and developed Man Portable-Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MP-ATGM), which would help the Army destroy enemy tanks during a war.

    The first test of the missile was successfully completed in the Ahmednagar district of Maharashtra. A few more tests of the indigenous weapon system need to be carried out before it is offered to the Army for user trials, government sources told MyNation.

    The MP-ATGM is supposed to be the anti-tank missile of the Army for future as the force needs close to 75,000 such missiles for future battles. The homegrown missile would help in this direction in a big way, the sources said.

    For meeting the emergency requirements of the Army, the government is looking to buy around a couple of thousand Spike anti-tank guided missiles from Israel while the majority of the requirements would be fulfilled by indigenous missiles.

    The requirements of the Army are so huge that they will be met with the missile systems supplied by the Israelis along with the ones to be produced by DRDO in future as it is also developing the man-portable ATGMs, sources said.

    The Army needs third-generation ATGMs, with a strike range of over 2.5 km and fire-and-forget capabilities, to equip all its 382 infantry battalions and 44 mechanised infantry units.

    Sources said this combination of buying arms and equipment from abroad and allowing indigenous makes at the same time will balance the need for taking care of national security requirements along with the need to promote the indigenous industry.

    The Ministry of Defence has been in talks with Israel and the US for a long time to get the third generation anti-tank missiles. The ministry had ultimately zeroed in on the Spike missiles under an old deal, which is likely to cost around Rs 3,000 crore.

    The government had also withdrawn an earlier tender for buying around 5,000 Spike missiles after finding the price of the deal too high.

    An American missile system on offer was rejected too — after the terms and conditions of procuring it were not found to be compliant to the Indian defence procurement procedure guidelines

    https://www.mynation.com/news/india...ade-in-india-mp-atgm-anti-tank-missile-pf3v0h
     
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    Second Flight Test of MPATGM Successful

    Indigenously developed Man Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MPATGM), was successfully flight tested for the second time from the Ahmednagar range today. All the mission objectives have been met. The two missions on 15 and 16 September 2018 have been successfully flight tested for different ranges including the maximum range capability.

    Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman congratulated the team DRDO, Indian Army and associated Industries for the twin success of MPATGM weapon system.


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    Its slow speed, but modified LAHAT with JV. It has got Indian warhead, for our condition.
     
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    MPATGM Specifications :
    weight- 14.5 kg (Spike-MR weighs 13.5-14 kg)
    length of 1.3 m (spike-MR length 1.2 m,1.67 m with launcher)
    Range : 2.5 km
    MPATGM complete system weight : 28kg
    Spike-MR complete system weight : 25kg
    French MMP " " : 26kg
    US FGM-148 "" : 22kg
    Milan " " : 24- >28 kg ( depending on varaint)
    https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal
     
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    Here’s what India’s brand new Man Portable Anti Tank Guided Missile looks like, and what we know about it so far.
     
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    With today's test of the MPATGM, a quick check of the @DRDO_India's Anti Tank Guided Missile journey with the Nag and its variants.
     
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    Smaller anti-tank missile to follow Nag's success



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    THE NEW WEAPON | Indigenously developed MPATGM was successfully tested on September 16

    For a country that has developed intercontinental ballistic missiles, the failure to develop a 4 km range missile to destroy battle tanks is a conundrum. Last year, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) completed the development of the Nag, the last of its Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) missiles that began in 1983. Successful trials of the Nag in 2016 and 2017 have finally put the missile on the path to induction by the army, 35 years after the programme began. The Nag's luck seems to have rubbed off on a new project to build a smaller man-portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM). The MPATGM was successfully tested by the DRDO on September 15 and 16 at an army firing range in Ahmednagar, Maharashtra, and met all its performance parameters.

    "The successful test of the Nag has given us a lot of confidence and we have now mastered most of the critical technologies pertaining to anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs)," says a senior DRDO official. Among the most difficult aspects is the development of an infra-red seeker that is able to distinguish a target from the clutter of a battlefield, especially in high temperature conditions.


    While each 4 km range Nag missile weighs over 40 kg and is carried into battle by a NAMICA (Nag missile carrier)-tracked vehicle based on an armoured personnel carrier, the MPATGM is a comparative feather-weight at 14.5 kg and, as its designation suggests, is meant to be hefted into the battlefield by soldiers. Once launched, the missile can home in to attack the top of enemy tanks, where they are most vulnerable, at ranges of between 200 m and 2.5 km.

    The missile, being developed in collaboration with Hyderabad-based private sector firm VEM Technologies, is an emerging success story for a public-private partnership.

    The MPATGM would complete all its trials in the next six months and be handed over to the army for user evaluation next year. Going by the Nag experience, these are radical timelines. The MPATGM project was started three years ago under the government's Make in India programme to meet the army's requirement of over 80,000 ATGMs by fielding an indigenously designed, developed and manufactured missile.

    In January this year, the defence ministry scrapped a plan to import 8,000 'Spike' ATGM missiles and 300 launchers from Israel. Instead, the Cabinet Committee on Security is to shortly greenlight a government-to-government deal for purchasing 5,000 Spike ATGMs from Israel.

    The rest of the army will get the DRDO-built MPATGM over the next few years.


    https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...le-to-follow-nag-s-success-1345476-2018-09-22
     
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    Army To Test Fully Indian Man-Portable Anti Tank Missile Shortly


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    The Indian Army is all set to get its first ever of an anti-tank weapon fully developed and built in India. After decades using weaponry from Russia and France, and with deals with the United States and Israel either collapsing or adrift, in a few months, an Indian infantry team will be operating a comparable Indian-made weapon for the first time ever.

    Breaking cover this September with a series of debut test firings, India’s fully indigenous man portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) will be picked up by the Indian Army. A test team will join the development effort for a series of user-assisted flight trials in the first quarter of 2019. These trials will be crucial to fine-tuning the missile system to the Army’s specifications. In the weeks since the system first emerged in public, more is now known about it.

    For instance, we now know the baseline MPATGM system sports a range of 2.5 km, not 4 km as earlier speculated. In signature style, the missile’s developer — a cluster of labs under India’s DRDO — has officially declared this month in internal literature that the MPATGM ‘will be comparable to the best ATGM systems in the world, viz., Javelin by US and Spike-MR by Israel.’

    The mention of those two systems is no coincidence — India has in the past rejected the Javelin system and continues to dither over a purchase of the Israeli Spike. Since the MPATGM program was sanctioned in January 2015, the DRDO has consistently offered that the system is worth waiting for. The program’s scope includes design and development of a third generation ATGM with a launch tube (LT) and launcher and command launch unit (CLU), demonstration of the system performance through ground testing and flight testing.

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    A group of laboratories is currently working to complete initial development flight trials before the Indian Army comes on board. The Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad oversees the project, and handles missile system studies, control and guidance design and the aerodynamic and structural design and testing. The DRDL receives distributed technological inputs from a list of laboratories include the RCI (Hardwarein-Loop testing and evaluation of control algorithm incorporating sensor package, control actuation system and integrated electronics hardware), HEMRL (propellant for launch motor and flight motor), TBRL (tandem warhead), ARDE and IRDE (target acquisition system).

    As with most indigenous weapons programs, the MPATGM is working out technological hurdles. For instance, the DRDO reveals, “The third-generation ATGM having fire and forget capability works on the homing signal provided by a miniature Image Infrared Seeker (IIR) housed in its front end for guidance. Configuring the optical module to focus the image on the detector and realization of the signal processing electronics to achieve the 2.5 km range with the available space within a missile of 120 mm diameter was really a challenging task.”

    On the twin September tests, the DRDO says, “Two pre-programmed control missions have been executed to prove vehicle controllability as well as manoeuvrability with realistic guidance command. The missile was successfully tested at KK Ranges, Ahmednagar for maximum range trajectory in top attack mode on 15 September 2018 and for minimum range trajectory in top attack mode on 16 September 2018. The successful missions proved the controllability of the missile aeroconfiguration along with major subsystems, viz., propulsion, control system and onboard integrated electronics hardware.”

    A set of guidance missions are expected to be held at the KK Ranges in Maharashtra’s Ahmednagar this month and the next before the team gets down to preparing for joint trials with an Indian Army infantry team.

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    While the Indian Army has failed to close a deal so far with Israel for the Spike ATGM system, it continues to receive briefings and pitches on hardware from other countries. Most recently, the Army received briefings from MBDA for the MMP ATGM 5 system as a possible man-portable system, as well as for the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) and BMP upgrade programs.


    https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...n-man-portable-anti-tank-missile-shortly.html
     
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    Prasanna kumar India is my Identity Defence Professionals

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    Nothing new. The missile launched from the bmp is derived from Konkurs-m missile presently in service with mech forces. Infantry uses Milan. Nag is not man-portable. Nag is mounted on a bmp chassis in a multiple array launcher. Helina is in service already. WSI sqns already have Helina.
     
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    No reports that HELINA is in service sir, seems user trails still ongoing
     
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  20. Prasanna kumar

    Prasanna kumar India is my Identity Defence Professionals

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    No reports, YES.
    The first version is in a very limited amount with WSI sqns. A next version with reduced weight is under progress. But army brass gave no nod.
     
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