N-sub engineers found dead on railway tracks in Visakhapatnam

[t_co]

wtf how reckless is our Indian Intelligence. If we think Indian scientists working on national Interest projects is it not important that Intelligence agencies check every movement of scientists working in such projects, along with it safety of there life adds. What a pathetic type of Intelligence monitoring system... until incidents like this happen cant act. Where is foresight of Intelligence, with out it we cant call our selves(got intelligence agencies). This is the difference we have when compared to foreign Intelligence. Its not that giving reason that intelligence cant prevent such incidents in vast population of our messy country. what is lacking is pro activeness and sting operations added aggressiveness to fetch results. Having a attitude(Intelligence system objective) and strong sense of averting incidents like this means not loosing an unseen wars which are far but nearing us(India) theoretically.

VIP security comes before policing - Times Of India

But the second largest allocation is for VIP security, with 7,315 policemen guarding 416 VIPs — roughly 20 cops to a VIP. This unit is also assisted by forces such as SPG, CISF and police units from the northeast.

Are Indian scientists considered VIPs deserving of special protection by Indian security organs?

 

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wtf how reckless is our Indian Intelligence. If we think Indian scientists working on national Interest projects is it not important that Intelligence agencies check every movement of scientists working in such projects, along with it safety of there life adds. What a pathetic type of Intelligence monitoring system... until incidents like this happen cant act. Where is foresight of Intelligence, with out it we cant call our selves(got intelligence agencies). This is the difference we have when compared to foreign Intelligence. Its not that giving reason that intelligence cant prevent such incidents in vast population of our messy country. what is lacking is pro activeness and sting operations added aggressiveness to fetch results. Having a attitude(Intelligence system objective) and strong sense of averting incidents like this means not loosing an unseen wars which are far but nearing us(India) theoretically.

Too early to say an intelligence failure.

 

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VIP security comes before policing - Times Of India



Are Indian scientists considered VIPs deserving of special protection by Indian security organs?

You seem to be enjoying yourself

 

[raja696]

VIP security comes before policing - Times Of India



Are Indian scientists considered VIPs deserving of special protection by Indian security organs?

That is what I am saying its not about VIP status its about national security and resilience to treats. Why cant GOI and Intelligence agency policies are proactive in monitoring... what policing can do ... apart from catching petty thieves and local crimes and cashing money from falsely accused victims and real criminals becoming mediators between them. We need solid monitoring Intelligence as well as aggressive(tediously aggressive) . There attitude should be as as if they are fighting direct war.(I mean it)

 

[raja696]

Too early to say an intelligence failure.

I mentioned Where is foresight of Intelligence, with out it we cant call our selves(got intelligence agencies). All I mean is at least now Our Intelligence should break the barriers of imagination of anti national elements itself by guarding and spying on responsible people working on national security projects.

 

[Compersion]

Condolences to families. the fact is the n-sub engineers was located by railway tracks. It either means whoever did this wanted to send a signal (by allowing the body to be recovered) if not it was otherwise. For the body to be recovered does not mean there was no foul play. For allowing the body to be discovered might be done with the motive to make others believe that it was otherwise. With technology available these days I am sure there are clues for the agencies to explore. Good luck and wish that the families get justice in whatever form it is due (by god).

 

[t_co]

That is what I am saying its not about VIP status its about national security and resilience to treats. Why cant GOI and Intelligence agency policies are proactive in monitoring... what policing can do ... apart from catching petty thieves and local crimes and cashing money from falsely accused victims and real criminals becoming mediators between them. We need solid monitoring Intelligence as well as aggressive(tediously aggressive) . There attitude should be as as if they are fighting direct war.(I mean it)

Maybe India should take a look at what China and the US are doing, and fund the intelligence agencies appropriately.

The US spends nearly $80bn per year on intelligence.

China spends more on domestic and external intelligence/policing than it spends on its military. While a lot of that goes towards political control, it leaves a huge budget (on par or even more than what the US spends) for intelligence activities - cyber, HUMINT, satellites, etc.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Russians were consultants in the nuclear submarine project would they have access to personnel?

 

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Maybe India should take a look at what China and the US are doing, and fund the intelligence agencies appropriately.

The US spends nearly $80bn per year on intelligence.

China spends more on domestic and external intelligence/policing than it spends on its military. While a lot of that goes towards political control, it leaves a huge budget (on par or even more than what the US spends) for intelligence activities - cyber, HUMINT, satellites, etc.

US has Fort Knox and China has communism.

Nevertheless, I think our intelligence is quite capable if not lethal.

 

[I-G]

Seems these scientists got some very important break through in the Nuclear Submarine Project which would be very important and thats why they both might have been murdered

 

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Seems these scientists got some very important break through in the Nuclear Submarine Project which would be very important and thats why they both might have been murdered

What is the proof ?? Any news??

 

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@drkrn any new developments in this case?

 

[drkrn]

@drkrn any new developments in this case?

no idea boss

 

[t_co]

no idea boss

An alternative scenario is that IB or R&AW had them killed because they themselves were the ones selling secrets to others.

Intelligence is always murky as hell.

 

[natarajan]

maybe true these indian politicians will sell anything for money and kill anyone for their family

 

[drkrn]

maybe true these indian politicians will sell anything for money and kill anyone for their family

whom are they supposed to sell.just take a guess?pakistan??

 

[W.G.Ewald]

An alternative scenario is that IB or R&AW had them killed because they themselves were the ones selling secrets to others.

Intelligence is always murky as hell.

The law on espionage is clear, however, and Indian intel community would like to learn about handlers of agents as well, so your remark is baseless and insulting to the victims as well.

Somebody in this thread already said to wait for further information.

We don't need to be convicting anybody without a trial on DFI.

 

[t_co]

The law on espionage is clear, however, and Indian intel community would like to learn about handlers of agents as well, so your remark is baseless and insulting to the victims as well.

Agreed on the fact that extrajudicial murders seem to exculpate the Indian IC, but disagree on the nature of the remark. There is no dishonor or shame in considering all possibilities surrounding the facts at hand.

Somebody in this thread already said to wait for further information.

We don't need to be convicting anybody without a trial on DFI.

That's a strawman, Ewald. We're not convicting anyone here, merely considering what might have happened.

That being said, what could also be the case is that these two were unknowing or knowing sources of information, and their handlers got rid of them in order to cover their own tracks.

Alternatively, they could have been fingered by moles within the N-Sub team as critical personnel, and eliminated separately, and then put at the same spot to confuse investigators and cast suspicion on them as collaborating agents when they were in fact innocent.

Have you ever worked in CI, Ewald?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Agreed on the fact that extrajudicial murders seem to exculpate the Indian IC, but disagree on the nature of the remark. There is no dishonor or shame in considering all possibilities surrounding the facts at hand.



That's a strawman, Ewald. We're not convicting anyone here, merely considering what might have happened.

That being said, what could also be the case is that these two were unknowing or knowing sources of information, and their handlers got rid of them in order to cover their own tracks.

Alternatively, they could have been fingered by moles within the N-Sub team as critical personnel, and eliminated separately, and then put at the same spot to confuse investigators and cast suspicion on them as collaborating agents when they were in fact innocent.

And they could be gay. There is no end of pointless speculation.

Have you ever worked in CI, Ewald?

I was 96B50 (E-8).

Intelligence Analyst (96B) (ArmyStudyGuide.com)

CI is now MOS 35L.

The United States Army | Fort Huachuca, AZ

 

[t_co]

And they could be gay. There is no end of pointless speculation.

Fair enough.

I was 96B50 (E-8).

Intelligence Analyst (96B) (ArmyStudyGuide.com)

CI is now MOS 35L.

The United States Army | Fort Huachuca, AZ

Interesting. I interned at a firm that employed many ex-Army CI folks; those guys were invariably the most intuitively logical people I have ever come across.