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Gautam Buddha died eating pork.
Pork as per Theravada branch of Buddhism.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
any links
Gautam Buddha died eating pork.
Pork as per Theravada branch of Buddhism.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
any links
Not sure if he was a champion of beef eating, but he did eat beef (and meat)links pls...
fish can believable,but beef,no way.Not sure if he was a champion of beef eating, but he did eat beef (and meat)
Here's something I found on Google books
Swami Vivekananda: A Reassessment - Narasingha Prosad Sil - Google Books
Lets see what the so called champion said about meat eating (not just beef).Strangely, they also worship Vivekananda who was a champion of beef-eating.
...my Master was a vegetarian; but if he was given meat offered to the Goddess, he used to hold it up to his head. The taking of life is undoubtedly sinful; but so long as vegetable food is not made suitable to the human system through progress in chemistry, there is no other alternative but meat-eating...
Vivekananda was a magnificent personality, debater, great orator and intellectual. But he is not an undisputed authority on Vedas. He also held Muller in high esteem. Great or not, one cannot agree with a person on everything. That is ok....All liking for fish and meat disappears when pure Sattva is highly developed, and these are the signs of its manifestation in a soul: sacrifice of everything for others, perfect non-attachment to lust and wealth, want of pride and egotism. The desire for animal food goes when these things are seen in a man. And where such indications are absent, and yet you find men siding with the non--killing party, know it for a certainty that here there is either hypocrisy or a show of religion...
As for the brahmins eating meat. It has no bearing on the Vedas whatsoever. Those are brahmins by birth. Not the brahmins per Vedas anyway....blind worship of authority is a sign of weakness of mind...
OK I can see Sakal quoting various Vedas where meat eating is supposedly forbidden. I am not an expert on the Vedas but I would be interested in specific references in the Vedas, Mahabharata or Ramayan that refers to the practice or acceptability of meat eating and hence provides an opposing view to Sakal. Lets leave out Manusmriti, I am referring to earlier texts.You can see their claims here:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/religion-culture/54189-can-you-eat-beef-still-hindu-2.html
I am doubtful of the authenticity of some of these claims given that the authors appear to have a vested interest. for example, although I am myself critical of aspects of the Manusmrti, I think these quotes have been shown to be false elsewhere on DFI.
The large granaries of Mohenjodaro, Harappa and Lothal attest to a sophisticated, aerated, rodent-free storage practice. But, as of date, no recipe has been discovered so that we do not know what a typical Indus valley supper menu contained.Bones of numerous animals attest to meat (and fish) eating.
Meat eating was prevalent. Pigs, boar, deer, bovines and peacocks were eaten, though chicken (which, though originated in India) was not that desirable. They seem to have been forbidden or discouraged from eating eggs of any kind and in any manner.
As we move further down to the period of the Ramayana and Mahabharata (probably around 1400 BC, though Valmiki and Vyasa are regarded to have written them around 400 BC), we find a far richer fare. Lords Rama, Lakshmana and Devi Sita ate a vast menu that contained fruits, leafy vegetables, rice and meat. Achaya quotes a book stating that Rama and Lakshmana, while in exile at Dandakaranya, hunted animals for the pot, and that a favourite of Sita was rice cooked with venison, vegetables and spices (the dish called Mamsabhutadana). Of course, Lord Rama enjoyed eating the fruit ber (zizyphus) that Sabari tasted and gave him.
It was after this time that a change in our food habits occurred. The Dharma Sutras, Manusmriti and related texts of 500-300 BC began forbidding and proscribing food items based on their `temper' (sattvik — peaceful and ascetic, rajasik medium, energetic that can be either positive or negative, and tamasic or coarse, rough and not all that nice), and prohibiting as many as 54 items (in particular a variety of animals) from the `proper' kitchen.Turning to Mahabharata, a graphic description of cooking at a picnic has been provided on roasting large pieces of meat on spits, cooked with tamarind, pomegranates and spices with ghee and fragrant leaves. King Yudishtira is said to have fed 10,000 scholars with pork and venison, besides preparation of rice and milk in ghee and honey with fruits and roots (Payasam).
Condiments, spices, vegetables and pulses mentioned here are the same as those in contemporary `northern' literature. The three great Tamil fruits were of course, mango, jackfruit and bananas. Tamarind rice figures extensively, as also a drink made with tamarind and nellikai (gooseberry).The earliest Tamil writings are traced to about 300 BC, but references to edibles and food habits abound in literature between 100 BC and 300 AD (Idaicchangam). Dosai and Vadai, as said above, were popular. Tamils ate meats of all kinds, as well as fish.
Not mostly vegetarianIt was only when immigrants entered Tamil country (ca. 700 AD) that vegetarianism seems to have taken hold here.
Contrary to popular belief, India is not a predominantly vegetarian country. But a quarter of the population is reckoned, based on census data, to be vegetarian. 69 per cent of Gujarat is vegetarian, 60 per cent of Rajasthan, 54 per cent of Punjab-Haryana, 50 per cent of Uttar Pradesh, 45 per cent of Madhya Pradesh, 34 per cent of Karnataka, 30 per cent of Maharashtra, 21per cent of Tamil Nadu, 16 per cent of Andhra Pradesh, 15 per cent of Assam, while but 6 per cent in Kerala, Orissa and West Bengal are veggies. While part of this vegetarianism is economic, a more compelling force is ethical and even religious. Jains avoid meat totally while many Buddhists in India are vegetarians.
Brahmins, Saivite non-Brahmins of South India and several Vaishnavite sects across the country avoid meat. Interestingly though Brahmins of East India, Kashmir and the Saraswats of the Southwest are allowed fish and some meat.
He gives economic, ethical and respect for its use as reasons. Emperor Humayun (16th century) is quoted as saying "beef is not a food fit for the devout" and avoided it. Akbar too was similarly respectful.Even among meat-eaters, beef was and is taboo. This practice seems to be at least 2000 years old (Achaya quotes DD Kosambi, who quotes the Vedic sage Yagnavalkya as preferring it. Vasishta, Gautama, Apasthamba and Baudhayana, in their Sutras (ca. 300 BC) prohibit killing cows and oxen and eating beef. It had become prevalent by 1100 AD across India, since Al-Biruni wrote that while beef eating was prevalent earlier, it was not allowed later.
Debate meaninglessAnd while Tamils of the Sangam period relished beef (Perumpanooru describes it), it became taboo or discouraged after the advent of people from elsewhere. As a result, much of India and certainly many Hindu communities avoid beef eating.
hinduism itself prohibits eating beef,
This has been claimed many times, and will be claimed many more times. Vedas do not prohibit beef consumption.Vedas prohibit beef eating, that much is certain.
i still doubt itThis has been claimed many times, and will be claimed many more times. Vedas do not prohibit beef consumption.
true,rama is a king.meat is not forbidden.Even Rama, Sita and Lakshmana ate meat during their Vanavasa.
I read this in Ramayana written by Rajaji.
Eating meat of the sacrificed animals is predominant in TN, People here sacrifice, cocks, Goats, Pigs and even at times Bulls for their deities and feast on the meat.
Not sure if he was a champion of beef eating, but he did eat beef (and meat)
Here's something I found on Google books
Swami Vivekananda: A Reassessment - Narasingha Prosad Sil - Google Books
If you are really a Brahmin, then why would you need to ask your elders? Is it because you are "Brahmin Jata," and not really a "Brahmin?"i still doubt it
i am a brahmin.i will check this with my elders.
@drkrn, @pmaitra - killing of cows and cattle is considered one of the greatest sins so how is eating the flesh of cows allowed ?i still doubt it
i am a brahmin.i will check this with my elders.
In which Veda is eating beef prohibited? Just show me that. How come Chandogya Upanishad clearly states that all animals and all plants are provided for our consumption by Lord Vishnu, without exception? Sure, protecting animals is mentioned, but it has been quoted out of context by the militant-vegetarian-brigade, which is hell bent on subverting the religion. Even the Indian Constitution guarantees Right to Life. Does that mean there is no death penalty?
One is subset of the other. Show me a prohibition on eating beef, not from the Puranas and Smritis, but the Vedas.Meat eating is different from eating beef.
Being a Brahmin means being conversant with the Vedas, at least one of them. This is the fundamental of receiving a holy thread. Hence my questions. Otherwise, why claim to be a Brahmin? Just because of heredity? What religion is that? Surely not Hinduism. Also, your mention of caste is irrelevant. Caste has nothing to do with Hinduism, or being a Brahmin.Being Brahmin does not mean one is conversant with all the holy books, especially in these days when caste is not a marker of one's profession.
Reply to your last question only - yes as in modern times caste has become hereditary and nought to do with one's profession as you know very well So a person can claim to be a Brahmin engineer , Shudra professor, Baniya architect or Kshatriya doctor !In which Veda is eating beef prohibited? Just show me that. How come Chandogya Upanishad clearly states that all animals and all plants are provided for our consumption by Lord Vishnu, without exception? Sure, protecting animals is mentioned, but it has been quoted out of context by the militant-vegetarian-brigade, which is hell bent on subverting the religion. Even the Indian Constitution guarantees Right to Life. Does that mean there is no death penalty?
Over a period of time, the invading or migrating Aryans, gradually gave up their nomadic lifestyle, and adopted a more agrarian and sedentary lifestyle. Due to this, the importance of animal husbandry gained importance, and new customs came into being. This is how cattle became as important as real estate today is. However, the metamorphosis that Indian society underwent, does not mean, at the beginning of Bronze Age, the customs and prohibitions were the same as those that came into existence in the later Iron Age. Hindutwavadis don't even acknowledge that Aryans came into India, where overwhelming evidence exists as to their original source being eastern Iran and western Afghanistan.
Regional customs are regional customs. Practice what you want, but please don't do it in the name of Vedas.
One is subset of the other. Show me a prohibition on eating beef, not from the Puranas and Smritis, but the Vedas.
Being a Brahmin means being conversant with the Vedas, at least one of them. This is the fundamental of receiving a holy thread. Hence my questions. Otherwise, why claim to be a Brahmin? Just because of heredity? What religion is that? Surely not Hinduism. Also, your mention of caste is irrelevant. Caste has nothing to do with Hinduism, or being a Brahmin.
i said i will ask my elders,not one who is well versed with vedas.if you need to find one such you should go to kasi or tirupathi.asking elders is nothing wrong@drkrn, @pmaitra - killing of cows and cattle is considered one of the greatest sins so how is eating the flesh of cows allowed ?
Meat eating is different from eating beef.
Being Brahmin does not mean one is conversant with all the holy books, especially in these days when caste is not a marker of one's profession.
because i dont know what is what.am not a follower of stringent religious principles.i will ask these questions to those who follow them.If you are really a Brahmin, then why would you need to ask your elders? Is it because you are "Brahmin Jata," and not really a "Brahmin?"
What is or what are your Ved(s)? Which way do you wear your holy string? Does your holy string hang up to you waist, or your knees?