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    One Hundred Years of the end of ‘Khilafat’: How the Gandhi supported movement unleashed the beast of Islamic fanaticism

    This year, as we are marking the centenary of the events that started the Khilafat movement, we see the rise of nationalist parties all over the world. This year, Indian people have entrusted power with a larger mandate to Bharatiya Janata Party and Prime Minister Narendra Modi who have been following the path of Veer Savarkar and Dr Hedgewar in the spheres of national security and foreign
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    The Khilafat movement, taught in Indian school books as the first pan-India agitation against the British rule, fought by Hindus and Muslims together, does not incite readers’ interest. However, when examined closely, with its nuances, one finds seeds of prominent historical events such as the partition of India on religious grounds, creation of Pakistan and genesis of Hindutva, an ideology defining Hindu nationalism, were either sowed or germinated in this movement. It leaves many questions unanswered.

    Had Indian National Congress, under the leadership of Mahatma Gandhi, not thrown its weight behind the movement to reinstate an Islamic state, thousands of miles away from India, could it have saved lives of thousands of Hindus, who were killed or targeted in the Moplah revolt? Could it have deferred Veer Savarkar from defining Hindutva on the lines of fatherland and holy land? Could it have avoided the birth of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and subsequently the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)? Could it have prevented or delayed Pakistan’s creation?

    As we are commencing the centenary of these historic events, it is necessary to revisit them and study them from a broader perspective. The decision to support the Khilafat agitation with the non-cooperation movement exposed sharp differences within the Congress, and among the stalwarts of the Indian freedom struggle. While teaching history, these differences are deliberately excluded.

    Leaders who opposed Congress and Mahatma Gandhi’s support to the Khilafat movement are presented as non-secular and often held responsible for the partition of India. One hundred years later, the Bharatiya Janata Party, which, in a way, has its roots in the Khilafat movement, has become the principal force in Indian polity, reducing the Indian National Congress to a fraction of what it was for almost 7 decades after the independence. It makes a compelling case for discussing different narratives of the Khilafat movement.

    The root of the Khilafat movement lies in the birth of Islam and its arrival in India. Like Judaism and Christianity, Islam is a monotheistic religion. In the days of the Prophet Mohammed, political and religious powers were vested in his hands. After him, his successors were considered as Caliphs – which broadly means leader or guide. During the Golden Age of Islam, the Rashidul, Ummayad and Abbasid Caliphates, Islamic rule spread from Morocco to the western border of India.

    Over a period of time, the Islamic rule was divided into several kingdoms and the position of Caliph shifted from Baghdad to Egypt and then to Istanbul in 1517 after the Ottoman conquest. Even though the position of Caliph was not as powerful as the Pope in Catholicism, the Caliph had appeal in the Muslim world. Although Mughal emperors called themselves the Caliphs of India, the Ottoman Sultan, who ruled over the empire spread across Central and West Asia, North Africa and parts of Eastern Europe for almost 5 centuries and was the custodian of the holy sites of Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem were considered as the Caliph.

    Rise of Nationalism in the Muslim World
    Nationalism started taking roots in Muslim territories adjacent to European countries in the 18th century. In Muslim majority countries, defining nationalism was not very difficult. However in India, even after centuries of rule over substantial parts of India, the population of Muslims could reach barely 25%. During their rule, Mughals and other Muslim leaders were challenged by Hindu and Sikh kings. The most prominent among them were Maharana Pratap, Chatrapati Shivaji, and Guru Gobind Singh. Even though territories they controlled were small, they were seen as an inspiration by people across India.

    After the death of Aurangazeb, the last Mughal emperor in 1707, the Maratha Kingdom established by Chatrapati Shivaji as Hindavi Swarajya or Hindu self-rule, spread rapidly from Attok in the West to Cuttack in the East up to Tanjore in the South in 1758. Even though it lasted for less than a century and was replaced by the British East India Company (1818) and the British government (1857), it gave confidence to a section of Hindus that they can defeat mighty enemies and rule this country.

    After the fall of Mughal rule, the dependence of elites among Indian Muslims on the Ottoman Sultan for political and religious support increased. Sultan Abdul Hameed II (1842-1918) propagated the idea of Caliphate or Khilafat to keep the Ottoman Empire intact from European aggression and dismemberment. He sent Jamaluddin Afghani as his emissary to India. Afghani influenced Muslim Umrao (noble) and Ulema (clerics) who wielded influence over Muslim masses in India.

    In Denial of Their Hindu Past
    Majority of Indian Muslims were Hindus and were converted to Islam sometime in the medieval period. However, the two communities have radically different narratives on how their forefathers embraced Islam a few centuries ago. Hindus’ generally believe that most of the conversions happened through force and allurement. If you ask Indian Muslims this question, they will tell you that it happened because Islam is a more progressive religion and offers equality among its followers. Among prominent Muslim families, you find a tendency to establish a direct connection with Prophet Mohammed or his Quraysh tribe.

    When the First War of Independence, commonly called as the Sepoy Mutiny, failed to defeat the British East India Company Rule in 1857, the administration was transferred to the British crown. A large section of Indian Muslims remained under the illusion that the British rule will go away in a few years, and Muslims would return to power soon. As a community, Muslims were slow to adopt social reforms, English language, university education, and government jobs.

    To give an example, out of 88 graduates from the University of Mumbai in 1868, the number of Muslims was zero. Their passive approach widened the economic and social gap between Muslims and Hindus. A section of Muslim leaders was alarmed foreseeing a Hindu rule in the future as a result of India becoming a democracy driven by the representative system. That meant that Muslims who ruled India for centuries would be thrown out of power. This fear sowed the seeds of two nations theory, i.e. Muslims are separate people and a nation.

    India as a cohesive geographic entity and the cultural nation has a history of thousands of years. However, until the advent of the British Raj, most people used to identify themselves with their caste, language or the region. The British Raj and the western education system exposed them to the west and germinated the idea of modern nationalism. The first generation of Indians studied in the British established universities, started newspapers, schools, colleges and labour unions.

    In the Muslim community, people like Sir Syed Ahmed tried to compete with Hindus by setting up an Aligarh Muslim University and exhibiting their allegiance to Britain; it was no match. Even in the Indian National Congress, established in 1885, as a national movement, participation of Muslims was far less compared to their population. Although Congress has always tried hard to project itself as an organisation of all Indians, it remained a predominantly Hindu organization.

    From the partition of the state of Bengal along religious lines in 1905, the issues related to nationalism and religion came to the fore. Strong opposition from Indian leaders prevented the partition. In 1916, Congress led by Lokmanya Tilak, and Muslim League led by Barrister Mohammad Ali Jinnah demonstrated Hindu-Muslim unity by signing the Lucknow pact. Under this agreement, the leaders of the Muslim League agreed to support the Congress on the issue of autonomy in exchange for one-third representation for Muslims in the Provincial Legislature, excluding Punjab and Bengal. But within three years the project of Hindu-Muslim unity faced a second and more difficult test in the form of Khilafat movement.

    The Start of WW1
    The first world war broke out in 1914. The Ottoman Empire joined the Central Powers i.e. Germany, Austria and Hungary against the Allied Powers. With heavy setbacks at the beginning of the war, on the Western Front, the British government decided to mobilise Indian soldiers for the war. The war council decided that four Indian divisions, which formed Indian Expeditionary Force A, would be sent to the battlefields of Europe as reinforcement.

    At the same time, smaller Expeditionary Forces B, C, and D were also being assembled for deployment in East Africa and Mesopotamia. The Sultan holding the position of Khalif, gave religious overtones to the war. Apprehensive of strong reaction from Indian Muslims, the British government showed a conciliatory approach towards the future of the Empire at the end of the war.

    The Indian National Congress pledged its support to the Allied forces, thinking that India would be granted independence in return. The Indian Muslim League and several Princely states also responded generously. More than one million Indian soldiers fought in the war. There was more than 4 lakh Muslims in the army. Indian soldiers played a vital role in the defeat of Ottoman Turkey. As the war progressed, the fears about the Muslim world (Ummah) uniting against the Allied Forces proved overstated.

    In many places, Arabs and Muslim communities helped Britain and France in the war to break away from Turkey after the war. A study estimates that 2.5 million Muslims contributed to the allied cause either as soldiers or labourers. In the middle of the war, there was the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. Soviet Russia, because of its revolutionary expansionist policies and its proximity, became a looming threat to the British interests in oil-rich Persia and the Indian subcontinent. As a result, Britain and France decided to partition the Ottoman Empire. A number of countries and mandates were created by drawing lines in the desert of West Asia.

    While this was going on, Mustafa Kemal Pasha’s campaigns prevented dismembering present-day Turkey into pieces and imposing a powerless Sultan on it. Thus, towards the end of the war, the British were least bothered about the wishes of a group of Indian Muslim leaders about the Ottoman Empire. As the dismemberment of the empire became evident by the end of 1918, the Khilafat movement – for restoring the Caliph – started taking roots.

    The first meeting in this regard was held in Kolkata on February 9, 1919. The first Khilafat Day was observed on October 17, 1919. The first Khilafat Conference was held in Delhi on November 22-24, 1919. More than half the delegates in this conference were from today’s Uttar Pradesh. In this conference, resolutions were passed to stay away from victory celebrations, boycott British goods and sending a delegation to England to find a just solution to the Khilafat.

    Leaders like Mohammed and Shaukat Ali brothers, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Dr Ali, Hasrat Mohani emerged from this conference. On 24th November, Mahatma Gandhi, at a well-publicised joint Hindu-Muslim conference, Mahatma Gandhi announced that Hindus were united with Muslims in their grievances over the Caliphate because it was a just cause.

    The Congress Leaders’ hope that the British will give independence to India after the war did not materialise. On the contrary, the government imposed the oppressive Rowlatt Act in March 1919. This act indefinitely extended wartime emergency measures such as preventive indefinite detention, incarceration without trial and judicial review. Large protests erupted across India to oppose this oppressive act.

    In one such protest march against this act at the Jallianwala Baug in Amritsar on 13th April 1919, General Dyer ordered indiscriminate firing on unarmed protesters. Hundreds of innocent people died. Many more were injured by bullets and in the stampede. This massacre created a massive outrage across the country. That year, the Congress organised its annual session in Amritsar in December 1919.

    Motilal Nehru, in his presidential address on 27th December, strongly condemned the massacre and partition of the Ottoman Empire. He said, “It is impossible for one part of the nation to stand aloof while the other part is suffering from a serious grievance.” At the session, a resolution was passed to suspend General Dyer and Sir Michael O’Dwyer for being responsible for the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. However, Congress refrained from initiating a nation-wide agitation on this issue.

    In Resolution XV on the issue of Khilafat, the Congress urged his Majesty’s government to settle the Turkish question in accordance with the just and legitimate sentiments of Indian Mussalmans and the solemn pledges of the Prime Minister without which there will be no real contentment among the people of India. Hypocritical as it may sound today, the Congress while demanding the solution of the Turkish question in accordance with Indian Muslims, also passed a resolution safeguarding free and unrestricted emigration from India to East Africa and the full civic and political rights of ·the Indian settlers in East Africa including the East African territory conquered from Germany.

    It was in 1919 at Amritsar that Mahatma Gandhi insisted on thanks for Mr. Montagu and using Reforms, working them sincerely for the betterment of “the Government of the country and it was he who about 8 months after that launched the non-cooperation movement.

    End of Tilak Era, Gandhi Era Begins
    On August 1, 1920, the tallest leader of Congress, Lokmanya Tilak passed away. It ushered the Mahatma Gandhi era in Congress. On August 10, 1920, the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire was officially sealed under the Treaty of Sevres in France. Mahatma Gandhi saw this as an opportunity to unite Hindus Muslims in the Khilafat movement and thus bringing Muslims in the national movement. This would have strengthened his grip in the party.

    We were taught in schools that, Mahatma Gandhi associated the Congress with the Khilafat Movement to accelerate the non-cooperation movement. But his critics disagree and put it the other way. They quote Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar who opined that ‘the non-cooperation had its origin in the Khilafat agitation and not in the Congress movement for Swaraj: that it was started by the Khilafatists to help Turkey and adopted by the Congress to help Khilafatists: that Swaraj (self-rule) was not their primary object, but its primary object was Khilafat and that Swaraj was added as a secondary object to induce the Hindus to join it’ .

    At the Nagpur session on December 1920, the Congress gave the British a deadline of one year to meet its demands on Jallianwala Baug massacre and the Khilafat and warned of a nationwide non-cooperation movement. Mahatma Gandhi assured that civil disobedience with adherence to non-violence, withdrawal of children from government schools, a boycott of foreign goods, withdrawal from British courts and other such measures will bring Swaraj within one year.

    It is not clear whether he meant independence or more autonomy by Swaraj. However, it is true that, under Gandhi’s leadership, the Congress became a mass movement. Whatever the reason behind the Congress’ support to Khilafat, it succeeded in increasing participation of Muslims in the national movement and in mobilizing a large number of Hindus for Khilafat. However, the goal of Hindu-Muslim unity remained a mirage.

    Many Hindus supporting the Khilafat were ignorant of Islam and its political ideology. On the other hand, the Khilafat movement sowed the seeds of dual nationality among Muslims. Supporting the Khilafat movement was in a way recognizing that for Indian Muslims’ desire to establish an Islamic Caliphate in Turkey was as important or more important than the independence of their ancestral homeland.

    The Khilafatists deny the charge of dual nationality by putting it like India is motherland while Turkey was like fatherland to Indian Muslims, implying that supporting Khilafat does not affect their love for India. However, it left important questions such as whether it is permissible to request the help of Muslim countries for India’s independence; whether India should be a constitutional democracy based on the representation of people or a Hindu majority country to be ruled by Muslims as desired by these leaders; unanswered. Similarly, Islam doesn’t advocate non-violence (Ahimsa) advocated by Mahatma Gandhi, as an essential element of the non-cooperation movement.

    At the annual session of the Congress in 1920 in Nagpur, the Khilafat leaders read Quranic verses that call for Jihad and support the killing of Kafirs (non-believers). When it was pointed out to Mahatma Gandhi, he smiled and said: “They are alluding to the British bureaucracy”. As a result, the Khilafat movement started losing its direction from the beginning.

    Some Khilafat leaders looked at India under the British Raj as Dar-ul-Harb or the land of war. In the summer of the 1920s, some local committees representing the Central Khilafat organisation urged Indian Muslims to sell their land and belongings and immigrate Dar-ul-Islam (a Muslim country). Accordingly, thousands of Muslims in Sindh, Punjab and central India set out to go to neighbouring Afghanistan. In August 1920, 30000 people immigrated to Afghanistan. As their numbers started growing, Afghanistan closed its doors on the immigrants. Many of them had to return to India in a state of disrepair. Mohammad Ali allegedly sent a telegram to the Amir of Afghanistan, inviting him to invade India and urging him to not make peace with the British. Ali Brothers gave calls to violence as part of the non-cooperation movement.

    Malabar Massacre
    Malabar province in Kerala had a large number of Muslims. These people, known as Moplah or Mappila, worked mainly with Hindu landlords as day labourers. Poor and uneducated, they believe that they are descendants of Prophet Mohammad. Influenced by the speeches of Khilafat leaders, Mohammed and Shaukat Ali, a religious teacher Ali Musliar rose to prominence as Khilafat leader.

    He made people believe that the end of the British rule is near and a Muslim army would invade India soon. Calls were given to mobilise Moplahs; weapons were arranged for the revolt. Their agitation against the British rule soon became a religious uprising and was directed against non-Muslims in the region. Ali Musliar declared himself as the king and Ernad and Valuvnad as Islamic State. When the British sent troops to stamp out the uprising, the Moplahs started slaughtering people.

    In August 1921, as per estimates, close to ten thousand Hindus were massacred. A large number of women were raped, temples were vandalized, people’s homes were burnt and they were banished. There were many incidents of burning people alive, peeling their skins, people were asked to dig graves for themselves and were buried in them. Marxist historians have tried to play this violence down by stating that it was caused by economic injustice and not by religious fanaticism. But that makes a case for such revolts across the country.

    Leading political and social leaders such as Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar, Swami Shraddhanand and Dr Annie Basent condemned these events. In her report, Dr Annie Basent described the heartbreaking experiences in the refugee camps. But Mahatma Gandhi, obsessed with his dream of Hindu-Muslim unity, chose to ignore this criticism. Initially, he praised Moplahs for the love of their religion. He also held Hindus partially responsible for the riots. He advised them to build up their courage to face this difficult situation.

    One can notice the differences between Hindu and Muslim leaders of the Congress in the official minutes and reports of the annual sessions and working committee meetings. In November 1921, the Congress Working Committee appointed a committee headed by Faiz Tyabji to investigate the atrocities committed by Moplahs and also by the British forces against Moplah agitators. The three-member committee had two Muslims and one Hindu.

    In a few months’ time, the committee was disbanded without doing an investigation. At the Congress National session held in Ahmedabad in December 1921, acting president Hakim Ajmal Khan expressed regret over these “scandalous events” but Hasrat Mohani opposed the resolution to condemn the Moplah violence. In the 36th annual session of the Congress in Ahmedabad, its leaders shrugged off responsibility for the massacre and tried to pass the blame on the British, stating that the Congress leaders and activists were not permitted to travel to the Malabar region and teach principles of non-violence to the people. At the same session, the Congress condemned the British for spreading rumours of violence and for their high-handedness against Moplahs.

    On February 7, 1922, at Chauri Chaura in Uttar Pradesh, the non-cooperation movement took a violent turn. When the police used force against unarmed agitators, an angry mob locked down the police station and set it on fire. 22 policemen and 3 protesters died in the incident. Mahatma Gandhi condemned the violence and halted the nationwide non-cooperation movement without consulting other leaders.

    He felt that Indian society was not yet capable of understanding the philosophy of non-violence. Many Congress leaders including Moti Lal Nehru, Lala Lajpat Rai, and Chittaranjan Bose resented Mahatma Gandhi’s decision. His critics ask why Gandhi, who halted the nationwide movement at its peak because of a stray incident, chose to look the other way when there was large scale violence by Muslims.

    Realizing that Gandhi’s hold over the Congress was weakening, the government arrested him at Ahmedabad on 18 March 1922 and tried him for instigating disaffection against the government. He was sentenced to six years of simple imprisonment. That turned him from a British loyalist to an uncompromising non-cooperator. Moti Lal Nehru and Chittaranjan Das resigned and started Swaraj Party. On the other hand, leaders of the Khilafat movement and the Muslim league felt betrayed by Mahatma Gandhi’s erratic decision. They developed a grudge that Gandhi has abandoned the cause of Khilafat. It increased their alienation from the Indian national movement.

    Around the same time, events in Turkey put a lid on the Khilafat movement. In 1919, Mustafa Kamal Pasha assumed leadership of the Turkish War of Independence. In April 1920, he challenged Britain and the Sultan by convening the National Legislative Assembly in Ankara. In August 1921, Mustafa Kamel’s troops defeated Greeks in the battle of Sakarya. In September 1922, he regained Anatolia. On November 7, 1922, the Turkish National Legislature separated the Khalifa from the state. In March 1924, an Indian Muslim delegation, led by Aga Khan and Amir Ali, met with Turkish Prime Minister Ismat Pasha and requested him that the Khalifa not be obstructed from performing his duties towards Muslim people. In response, the Turkish parliament dismantled the caliphate.

    Prominent Pakistani historians acknowledge the contribution of the Khilafat movement in the creation of Pakistan. The Khilafat movement propelled the religious-national sentiments among Indian Muslims who until then largely stayed away from the mainstream political activity. Even though Mahatma Gandhi’s intention behind supporting the Khilafat movement was genuine, it brought out the beast of religious fanaticism out of a cage.

    Later, Mohammad Ali Jinnah took control and succeeded in creating Pakistan. According to Sir Shafat Ahmad Khan – who left the Muslim League and became a member of Pandit Nehru’s interim cabinet in 1946 – the objectives of the Khilafat and non-cooperation movement were very different. Their conjunction for Hindu-Muslim unity produced more destructive energy than positive energy. Due to the protests, secular-liberal Muslim leaders were thrown out of Congress politics and were replaced by conservative and religious leaders. This is why Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who used to eat pork, consume alcohol and married a Parsi woman, had to don traditional Muslim attire to lead the Pakistan movement.

    The Khilafat movement, the Moplah revolt and the confused response by Congress deeply impacted Hindu nationalist leaders. Veer Savarkar, who was serving two life sentences in the Andamans and Ratnagiri when these events unfolded, called Khilafat as Afat. He penned a fiction “Mala Kay Tyache Arthat Moplyanche Band’ (The Moplah Revolt: I don’t care) in Marathi and Essentials of Hindutva, which is considered as the first attempt to theorize political Hindudom.

    In his fiction, Savarkar sharply criticized the caste-based discrimination among Hindus while vividly describing the atrocities of Muslims in the Malabar region. Essentials of Hindutva was deliberately written in English with an objective of removing confusion created by Mahatma Gandhi in the name of Hindu-Muslim unity. It also attempts to create a new Hindu identity based on cultural and geographical nationalism.

    In making this arrangement, Savarkar calls Hindus to all those who live in the region between the Indus River and the Indian Ocean, who consider India as their ancestral land and holy land. As some people claim, the Hindutva philosophy does not separate Muslims and Christians from religions born in India. He states that their ancestors were part of this great nation. But if they continue to deny this reality and look out of India as their holy land, it could become a threat to India’s national unity and integrity.

    He makes his case strong, he gave examples around the world. In one such example he writes, “If the Zionists’ dreams are ever realized — if Palestine becomes a Jewish State, it will gladden us almost as much as our Jewish friends — they, like the Mohammedans, would naturally set the interests of their Holy land above those of their Motherland in America and Europe and in case of war between their adopted country and the Jewish State, would naturally sympathise with the latter, if indeed they do not bodily go over to it.” The concept presented by Veer Savarkar later guided Dr Keshav Baliram Hedgewar in laying the foundation of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) in Nagpur in 1925. Dr Hedgewar who once was a member of Congress was disillusioned by the Khilafat movement.

    This year, as we are marking the centenary of the events that started the Khilafat movement, we see the rise of nationalist parties all over the world. This year, Indian people have entrusted power with a larger mandate to Bharatiya Janata Party and Prime Minister Narendra Modi who have been following the path of Veer Savarkar and Dr Hedgewar in the spheres of national security and foreign policy. With cross border surgical strikes, abrogation of article 370 from Jammu & Kashmir and passing a law criminalising instant divorce among Muslims, the Modi government has indicated that it will not hesitate in making tough decisions in the national interest. Today, as a mature democracy, we need to look back at the Khilafat movement which shaped our modern history with an open mind.
     
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    Haryana elections: Stone pelting in Muslim-majority area Nuh in Mewat region which is hub of illegal Rohingya Bangladeshis
    Mewat region, cuts across state boundaries and consists of Rajasthan and Haryana, is a hotbed of organised crime, cattle smuggling, illegal Rohingyas as well as mob violence against the Police.

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    Stone-pelting incidents and clashes were reported from the Muslim-dominated area of Nuh in Mewat region of Haryana during the polling. As per news agency IANS, incidents of scuffle and stone-pelting were reported from Nuh at around 8:45 AM on Monday, October 21.

    The Muslim-majority Nuh in Haryana has three assembly constituencies, Nuh, Ferozpur Jhirka and Punhana. Mewat region, cuts across state boundaries and consists of Rajasthan and Haryana, is a hotbed of organised crime, cattle smuggling, illegal Rohingyas as well as mob violence against the Police.

    Read: Haryana: Pregnant goat dies after being gangraped by eight men, Haroon and Jaffar amongst accused

    Haryana, along with Maharashtra, has gone to polls today. The results of the state assemblies in these two states will be declared on 24th October. BJP leader Zakir Hussain is contesting against Congress’ Aftab Ahmed in Nuh which is believed to be a close contest. According to sources, the supporters of both candidates got into a fight where along with lathis and stone-pelting, people also claimed there was firing. Dozens were injured in the incident.

    SP Sangeeta Kalia confirmed the few incidents of violence in Nuh and police security has been increased. The police force is vigilant to ensure peaceful voting
     
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    From Jammu to Bengal, read how Rohingyas are being settled
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    A Rohingya family in a settlement camp in Jammu. Via Swarajyamag

    Recently, Bimal Gurung, the Gorkha Janmukti Morcha leader, alleged that Rohingya immigrants are being settled in Darjeeling and Kalimpong districts of West Bengal as a conspiracy to cause demographic imbalance and render Gorkhas and other native communities homeless. Gurung has alleged that suspected Rohingyas are being deliberately pushed into the hills for vote banks, despite Centre identifying them as a security threat. In a press release, he has claimed that the Rohingyas are diluting the existing Gorkha, Adivasi, Rajbongshi and Indian Bengali population in the hills.

    Earlier, actress Koena Mitra had also accused West Bengal government of settling illegal Rohingya immigrants. She had accused Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee of giving Rohingyans land and settling them in the state despite Myanmar and Sri Lanka throwing them out because of their terrorist activities.

    The TMC government has gained some notoriety in recent times due to its perceived Muslim appeasement. According to a recent to the Ministry of Home Affairs, 40,000 Rohingyans staying across India have been instructed to settle in Bengal.

    The Central government has maintained that the Rohingyans are illegal immigrants and a national security threat and must be deported. Not too long ago, an Al-Qaeda operative was arrested while trying to recruit Rohingyas in India amidst reports that terrorist organizations are radicalizing the ethnic community. Recently, eight families, consisting of 29 adults and 11 children were settled in the newly erected Rohingya colony in West Bengal. This was followed by the settlement of 73 more Rohingyas, taking the total tally of inmates to 102.

    Not just West Bengal, but Rohingyas have been settled in various states like Jammu, Haryana as well as Delhi. As reported in November 2017 in Times of India, as many as 304 Rohingyas have been settled in Uttar Pradesh in districts Aligarh, Mathura, Saharanpur, Muzaffarnagar and Meerut. Yogi Adityanath referred to the Rohingyas as ‘intruders’ and not refugees. These Rohingyas are different from the thousands staying in camps set up by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) where UNHCR has issued cards to registered refugees to ensure that they are not arbitrarily arrested or prosecuted.

    Rohingyas have also been settled in Haryana, in Nuh town, about 100 km from the national capital. As per government records, as of November 2017, over 1,360 Rohingya Muslims or rather 400 families are living in Mewat, which is a cultural region spanning across Haryana, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh. In fact, if reports are to be believed, boosted by the UPA government’s indifference to check their illegal immigration, they made the country their home without checking with the owners and as per a ground report by Swarajya have made Jammu the epicentre of their settlement. The erstwhile UPA government had in 2012 turned a blind eye to the illegal immigration, due to domestic political pressure and international concern over human rights. As a result of this inflow, their numbers have been pegged at about 40,000 which was excluding the 14,000 odd Rohingyas who are registered with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

    Myanmar government has shared stories about the horror inflicted by Rohingya terrorists on the Hindus in Myanmar. There have been reports of mass graves of Hindus found killed by Rohingya terrorists. In September, last year, an Al Qaeda man, who was allegedly setting up base in Delhi, Mizoram and Manipur, was arrested from Delhi while trying to recruit Rohingyas.

    Despite the apparent threat, the ‘prominent’ personalities of India have written to the Prime Minister to not deport the illegal Rohingya immigrants in India. Currently, Supreme Court is hearing a petition to prevent the deportation of Rohingyas filed by Prashant Bhushan where the petitioners are two Rohingya immigrants.
     
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    25 crimes that prove that the Dalit-Muslim unity is nothing but a farce
    We document the 'community crimes' committed by Muslims against Dalits in recent years that make the much fantasized 'Dalit-Muslim vote-bank' nonviable.

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    Politicians from the so-called secular establishment have been making a concerted attempt to create a ‘Dalit-Muslim unity’ narrative. The mainstream media, its propaganda wing, has been aiding their efforts by furthering a favourable narrative. However, as the results of the 2019 Lok Sabha elections have amply demonstrated, such efforts are destined to fail.

    In this article, we document the ‘community crimes‘ committed by Muslims against Dalits in recent years that make the much fantasized ‘Dalit-Muslim vote-bank’ nonviable.

    1. Muslims barbers in Moradabad refuse to give haircuts to Dalits
    In Peepalsana, Moradabad, which is a Muslim-dominated locality, the Muslim barbers refuse to give haircuts to Dalits. “If Dalits take haircut and shave in these shops, the towels will become dirty. How will other Muslims take haircuts after that?” questioned Naushad, a barber.

    2. Muslim villagers in Peepalsana desert barbers who gave haircuts to Dalits
    Few days after reports on discrimination against Dalits by Muslim barbers came up, the Muslim barbers were compelled by state authority to attend to the Dalits. However, now the reports have emerged that the Muslim villagers no longer go to those Muslim babers who gave haircut to the Dalits in the village.

    3. Muslim men mercilessly beat up a Dalit man for opposing molestation of his sister
    The incident took place in in June 2019 when a Dalit man was reportedly beaten up for opposing molestation of his sister. A case was registered under IPC sections, 323 (punishment for voluntarily causing hurt), 354 (assault or criminal force to woman with intent to outrage her modesty), 504 (intentional insult with intent to provoke breach of the peace), 506 (Punishment for criminal intimidation) and the SC/ST Act. Two arrests have also been made so far.

    4. Muslims attack Hindu family, forced to sell the house, Begusarai
    In June 2019, a Muslim mob in Nurpur, Begusarai, Bihar allegedly attacked a family and sexually assaulted two women belonging to Mahadalit community. The mob even tried to kill one of the members of the family.

    5. Dalit murdered for not converting after marrying Muslim neighbour
    Rukhsar’s twenty-two year old husband Sanjay Kumar’s decaying body was found on August 21, 2018, in the national capital. The accused in the matter is one Saleem, the wife’s mother told a neighbour.

    As per reports, Rukhsar’s family’s only concern was that Sanjay did not agree to convert. One of the neighbours, Sunita, had claimed that Rukhsar’s mother had expressed relief at separating the two because now she had ‘saved her daughter from being cremated’.

    Here are details from Kumar’s post-mortem report, as mentioned by Swarajya: His rectum was missing, suggesting that an object was inserted into his anus and forcibly pulled out. His penis was not found intact, suggesting it was chopped off. His lungs were missing, suggesting his body was cut open. Eyeballs were missing and eye sockets were lying empty, suggesting that they were gouged out. Many of his teeth were missing. The skin on both the hands and on his right foot was de-gloved, suggesting he was tied up and dragged. The skin was peeled off at some places, including a patch where a tattoo of ‘Om’ was present.

    6. Love Jihad, Meerut: Dalit woman gang-raped after refusing to convert
    In January 2018, a Dalit girl accused a Muslim youth of forcibly trying to convert and marry her. When she resisted the same, the youth and a few of his associates kidnapped and gang-raped her for a week. As per the girl, the accused even recorded a lewd video of her.

    7. Muslims attack Dalit Wedding Procession, Madhya Pradesh
    Last month, a group of local Muslims attacked a Dalit wedding procession in the Dewas district of Madhya Pradesh. The attack took place at 9 PM while the procession was passing in front of a mosque in Pipalarwa village. One person was killed and several were injured. The local Muslims objected to the loud music of the wedding procession and had attacked the wedding party as they refused to comply.

    8. Muslims attack Dalits for protesting against the molestation of a Dalit girl by Rehmat Ali
    In April 2019, a Mulsim mob attacked a group of Dalits in a village under the Gauribazar station area in Deoria, Uttar Pradesh, because they had opposed a Muslim man Rehmat Ali attempting to molest a girl from their community.

    On the night of 18 April, Rehmat Ali had apparently broken into the house of a Dalit girl in the Karjahan village and attempted to molest her. When the girl fought him off and screamed for help, he reportedly ran off.

    The following night, Rehmat Ali entered the girl’s house again to molest her. This time the girl’s family confronted him but he managed to run away again. After a while, he reportedly returned with a mob of over a dozen men armed with sticks and sharp weapons. The mob allegedly beat up the girls family and relatives, including women and children.

    The Ambedkar statue in the Dalit locality was also allegedly damaged by the mob. The mob allegedly kept beating up the people for nearly an hour, only when the rest of the villagers gathered up to face them and stop, the mob reportedly withdrew.

    9. Dalit-Muslim clashes, Agra
    Communal tension erupted in Teela Nandram of Mantola area in Agra in February 2019. A Dalit boy named Pramod, son of Jaini Prasad had gone to bring a bucket of water from a nearby RO plant. While he was returning, two Muslim boys identified as Shahrukh and Salman allegedly made Pramod trip and fall down which led to a confrontation between them.

    When Pramod reached with his family members to confront Salman and Shahrukh, men named Yusuf, Akram and others had already gathered more than a hundred of their supporters. The violent mob then proceeded to attack the houses of the Dalit community in the area. Akram, Yusuf, and their supporters had apparently fired bullets and threw glass bottles at houses of the Dalits.

    10. Dalit-Muslim clashes after casteist slurs were hurled at Dalits, Uttar Pradesh
    The incident initially began as a personal fight in Pilibhit district in July 2017 when Kamil Raza and his friends had gone to buy some eggs from the shop of a certain Naseem, where they picked up a fight with another person named Sunil.

    The personal fight, apparently over the rate of eggs, became serious after Kamil and his friends reportedly threw casteist slurs and abuses at Sunil and his friends, who belonged to the Paswan caste from the Dalit community.

    The matter soon escalated when the respective individuals went home and returned with their supporters from the respective communities. Apart from injuries, the clashes led to damages to the shops and houses of people from both communities. Police forces had to be called in and deployed in the area to stop the clashes from getting worse and bloody, as the mob swelled in numbers.

    11. Dalit-Muslim clashes after Muslims molest Dalit women, Uttar Pradesh
    In May 2018, Mijaz, Thappu, Izhar, Nashir, Arshad, Altaf Hussain and Mohammad Firoz were arrested for allegedly teasing and harassing some Dalit women participating in a wedding procession.

    When the women objected, the harassers attacked them. They further attacked those too who came to the rescue of the women. As per media reports, the goons assaulted them after entering their homes as well.

    Numerous people were arrested and cases had been registered against 70 individuals in connection with abuse and assault on Dalits during the marriage procession of a Dalit couple.

    12. Dalit man lynched to death for an affair with a Muslim girl, Rajasthan
    Khetaram Bheel, a 22-year old Dalit man was beaten to death by a group of Muslim men over an affair with a Muslim woman. The police said that the accused individuals tied up the victim’s hands and legs, and then started beating him.

    Bheel failed in his attempt to run away while bleeding and fell dead in that very attempt. His body was found 500 metres away from the spot where he was allegedly beaten up, perhaps transported there by his killers. It was a known fact in the village, that Bheel worked at the house of the Muslim girl and had a love affair with her.

    13. Dalit-Muslim clashes after Muslims oppose Dalit funeral procession
    In May 2018, communalclashes erupted at Bomminaickanpatti village in Tamil Nadu’s Theni district, after objections were raised against the passage of a Dalit funeral procession through a Muslim street.

    The said funeral procession was being taken through that street owing to the regular route being used up by another funeral procession. This led to some of its residents lodging a protest, which resulted in a clash.

    14. Communal violence between Dalits and Muslims, Uttar Pradesh
    In Durveshpur village of Sardhana, Uttar Pradesh, a minor conflict between some people belonging to the Dalit and the Muslim communities escalated into communal violence. People from both the communities came face to face and heavy stone pelting and firing took place. The incident happened in February this year. Several people from both sides were injured due to stone pelting and the exchange of fire.

    15. Dalit family set on fire in Katihar, Abdul Rehman and wife arrested
    The incident occurred in the Gordah village under Azamnagar police station in Katihar district in Bihar on the night of 10th June, 2018. The Dalit person named Bajjan Das reportedly ran a tea stall on a piece of government-owned plot. The family lived in a thatched house nearby. Some of their neighbours were pressurizing them to vacate the area so they could use it themselves. The Dalit couple had been refusing to move from the area.

    One night, some of the neighbours locked the house from outside, poured petrol over the thatched house and set it on fire while the Dalit family slept inside. The couple’s two young children died in the fire while Bajjan and his wife were critical and struggling for their lives in a Katihar hospital. 2 of the neighbours, Abdul Rehman and his wife were arrested by the local police for the crime. Other accused were absconding.

    16. Asif, Rafiq and Rihan shoot three Dalit men over argument, Bijnor
    An incidence of violence transpired hours before Uttar Pradesh’s Bijnor district went into polls earlier this year. A group of Muslim men reportedly shot at three Dalit men over an argument between the two groups. One Bulaki Singh succumbed to his injuries while the other two were said to be critical. The Police feared communal clashes as a consequence of it.

    Superintendent of Police, SP Tyagi had said that the CCTV footage recovered from the spot where the incident transpired, revealed the identity of three accused, namely Rihan, Asif and Rafiq. The three were arrested and during interrogation admitted being a part of the crime.

    17. Communal tension in Meerut after shop owner beats up Dalit boy for demanding pending payment for cleaning his shop
    The incident took place in the Bhagat Singh market area near Hapur Adda in Meerut in January this year. The victim Dalit boy Ankush worked as a sweeper in a complex situated in the market. One of the attackers identified as Shahrukh, son of Yunus, owned a tea shop on the first floor of the complex where the victim works as a sweeper. Ankush used to clean the shop of Shahrukh as well.

    According to Ankush, while other shopkeepers in the market pay him regularly, Shahrukh always delays payment. Shahrukh had not paid him money for several months when he went to Shahrukh’s shop to demand payment. Shahrukh refused to do so. This started a heated argument between the two, and Ankush was assaulted by Shahrukh and few other people present in the shop. After that Ankush called some of his friends and clash erupted between the two groups, and the shop got damaged in the process. The fight stopped when police arrived after some time.

    18. Muslim mob attacks Dalits inside a temple for playing bhajans on loudspeaker, Uttar Pradesh
    Last month, a Muslim mob entered a temple in Ghasauli village, Meerut, and beat up a group of Dalit men who had put up loudspeakers in the temple for playing devotional songs. The Muslim community had objected to the loudspeaker on temple premises, which is near a mosque after the men from Dalit community put them up.

    Later, the mob attacked the temple and beat up the Dalit men with lathis and sticks. They also reportedly attacked them with a sharp object and even started pelting stones. Over half a dozen people inside the temple were injured and the communal tensions escalated.

    Police officials from nearby thana arrived on spot and controlled the situation before matters could escalate. The injured were moved to a hospital and six people, Akram, his brothers Karim and Saddam, Zulfikar s/o Sayeed, Abdul Rahim Pudhh Nawabuddin and Arif s/o Riyazuddin were arrested.

    19. Tension in locality after some locals try to rename Gautam Nagar as Islam Nagar, Uttar Pradesh
    Tension gripped a locality in Uttar Pradesh’s Amroha region after in February last year when a section of locals attempted to rename the locality as Islam Nagar from its pre-Independence name of Gautam Nagar.

    Amroha is considered a Muslim dominated region with the area comprising of 42% Muslims, and the total population being about 12 lakh. Out of the rest, about 21% are Dalits. The “Gautam Nagar” locality is mainly inhabited by blue-collar workers, with people making ends meet by doing odd jobs.

    It was alleged that some 20-25 shops in the region out of a total 50 had renamed their address to Islam Nagar Naugawaan Sadat. Besides this, some shops had even painted over the existing address of “Gautam Nagar” thereby signifying an intention to change the name of the area. Plus it was also alleged that about 1,500 Dalits in the locality are living under the fear of forced religious conversions.

    20. Body of Dalit youth beaten to death recovered near a mosque, Uttar Pradesh
    A Dalit youth was beaten to death in the Gadhi Khandari locality (which demographically contains a mixed religious population) of Hathras, UP in January, 2018. The body of the youth named Amit Kumar Gautam (27), was recovered from near a Mosque the next day, following which tension spread in the region.

    Soon after the incident, the family members of Amit filed a case against five Muslim youths namely Alam, Saddam, Khalid, Sukel and Ashu. Out of these, Alam is a known history-sheeter. The Police arrested two of the accused in the matter, Alam and Saddam.

    As per the family members, Amit had left home that afternoon saying that he was going out to correct a certificate. After he failed to return home by late evening, they decided to go and search for him, but returned empty handed. At about 7 a.m., they were informed about his battered body being recovered from the mosque square area.

    21. Dalit family brutally beaten up for refusing to convert to Islam, Haryana
    A Dalit family living in the Mohlaka village of the Nagina Khand region in Mewat Haryana, had alleged in January, 2018 that it was brutally attacked by the village goons for refusing to convert to Islam. As per reports, casteist slurs were also hurled at the family.

    Based on complaint by the family, a case was registered against five accused in the Nagina police station. This village in question is populated by about 3000 people. Out of these seven families belong to the Dalits and the rest are Muslims.

    The complainant named Kishan had claimed that a villager named Islam was pressurizing them to convert their religion. Thus, one morning, Islam, Taufeeq, Mosim, Ataru and Asmina attacked the Dalit family using sticks and iron rods. Kishan as a result of this attack suffered grave injuries.

    22. Shahnawaj caught red-handed for raping 9-year old Dalit girl, Uttar Pradesh
    Shahnawaj, a native of the town, had called the victim to his place on the pretext of giving her some clothes. As soon as the victim reached his place, he took her inside a room and allegedly raped her. The crime happened last month.

    The girl began to cry after he tried to rape her and later pushed her outside his room. Later, the girl returned home and informed family members about the incident, who caught the accused and took him to the police station.

    The police have lodged an FIR under section 376 (rape), 511 (punishable offence) of IPC, 325 SC/ST Act and section 7/8 POCSO and sent the girl for medical examination after taking the accused into the custody, said inspector Sharad Tripathi.

    23. A minor Dalit girl gang raped, filmed, threatened, Sabur, Umama Farid, Danish and Maj arrested
    A 17-year-old minor Dalit girl was gang-raped by five men in Uttar Pradesh’s Muzaffarnagar district. The accused had even filmed a video and threatened to make it public if the girl reported the matter to anyone. The five accused, Danish, Farid, Umama, Maj and Sabur were arrested by the police.

    The incident took place on February 21 this year in a village in Ratenpuri, Muzaffarnagar. The girl had gone to the forest at around 7 pm. There, the girl was allegedly gang-raped on gunpoint by the five accused and even filmed it. After the rape, they threatened the girl with dire consequences and death before escaping. The accused then reportedly shared the video clip which then went viral on social media.

    On Sunday, March 17, after the video recording had gone viral, the girl and her family reached the police station to file a complaint. Her brother filed a complaint against the five accused, of which three, Umama, Farid and Sabur were arrested on Sunday night. The remaining two accused were also later arrested.

    24. Muslim men attempt to rape Dalit women and a minor, attack them with axes and firearms, Uttar Pradesh
    In February last year, men from the Muslim community barged into the house of a Dalit family in Pratapgarh, Uttar Pradesh and attempted to rape two women and a minor. Failing in their attempt, they assaulted the women with axes and attacked them with firearms before fleeing the scene. The women had to undergo treatment at a hospital and their situation was deemed to be critical. The names of the accused were Sham Shakil, Shahid and Muhammad Ali.

    25. Dalit woman molested by Muslim youth, Agra
    A Dalit woman was going to buy medicines one evening in June, 2017 when a group of men from the Muslim community waylaid her. They were smoking and drinking and started misbehaving with the woman. When she opposed this behaviour, they snatched her dupatta and started abusing her. The woman had to run back to her home to save herself.

    Around 3-4 men had tried to intervene to save the woman from this harassment, but they were also beaten up and chased away by a mob supportive of these miscreants. This apparently turned the entire incident communal as these 3-4 men were chased away by a mob of almost 100 men who belonged to the same locality as of the miscreants who were harassing the Dalit woman.

    Apart from attacking the men who tried to intervene, this mob, made of Muslim men as per the complaint, also attacked the house of the Dalit woman whom they were sexually harassing. At least 5 women were injured thereafter, who were taken to the hospital by the police. The situation could have led to larger communal clash but police is reported to have acted on time assuring punitive action.

    The Pattern
    Certain patterns emerge from the crimes listed here. In one of the most shocking incidents, where two Dalit children were burnt alive by Muslim locals while their parents suffered critical injuries, a woman was an active participant in the crime and she was arrested by the Police along with her husband. As we have observed in an earlier article, Muslim women are involved in hate crimes against Hindus with an alarming frequency.

    Another disturbing trend is the involvement of significant sections of the community in the crimes and even widespread support to rogue elements. For instance, Muslims from the same locality as the sexual predators came out in support of them when some good people were trying to prevent them from sexually harassing a woman. Not only that, the mob then went on to attack the house of the woman herself.

    Thus, as has been mentioned in earlier articles, merely education will not be enough to inspire a reformation of the Muslim community. If major sections of the community continue to receive doles and financial despite tacit and active support to such hooliganism, they are likely to believe that indulging in such crimes is what is getting them these benefits. Moreover, if there are no consequences for such behaviour, where is the incentive for reforms?

    As has been said before, there is a reason why carrot-and-stick is very popular strategy while carrot-and-carrot isn’t. One helps achieve the desired objective, the other provides incentives to maintain the status quo
     
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    Whitewashing a crime – how exodus of Kashmiri Pandits is being blamed on Hindus instead of on Islamists

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    Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth, said Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels. Though there are many opinions on who exactly said these words, the words are a depressing and scary reality. A blatant lie, often garbed in attires of nuance, perspective and doubt, often does end up becoming the widely believed truth.

    We have seen how “brilliantly” and successfully the Godhra carnage that saw 59 Hindus, including women and children being burnt alive, was blamed on the victims themselves (turning it sometimes into accident, and sometimes saying they ‘provoked’ the local Muslims). How carefully orchestrated media propaganda, subtle wordplay and clever imagery managed to shift the focus from the brutal massacre to trivial issues over the years is perhaps one of the best examples of what repeating a lie can achieve.

    Another such painful incident that is often turned, twisted and ignored to the extent of totally absolving the actual perpetrators of any wrongdoing is the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits. There have been denials, counter blames and facade of goal shifting over the years, not only by powerful politicians who were at the helm of governance but also by prominent voices in the media and society who frequently join the cause, the great cause of whitewashing of one of the most brutal stories of hatred, mass violence directed against a minority community in modern India, the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits.

    Time and again politicians and media persons keep denying it and giving lame excuses. Political leaders have done it. Digvijay Singh had once stated that Kashmiri Pandits were unnecessarily forced to leave the Valley by Jagmohan and that Hindus and Muslims lived together for Centuries in Kashmir. The idea has long been propagated by the ‘liberal’ cabal. More recently, it surfaced again, with the same tones, that Governor Jagmohan was to be blamed for the exodus of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits.

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    This time it is columnist Tavleen Singh, who has spread fake photographs and wrong information about Yogi Adityanath earlier, and former Samajwadi Party leader and currently self-styled journalist Shahid Siddiqui who tried to weave their theory of exodus around then Governor Jagmohan.

    While Tavleen stated that 300,000 pandits left the valley overnight because the governor could not control the violence, Siddiqui went a step further and stated that it was the Governor who ‘planned’ the ‘migration’.

    Note the clever wordplay here, while Tavleen uses ‘left the valley’, Siddiqui uses ‘migration’. In a subtle way, the word ‘migration’ turns the forced exodus into a more docile, voluntary, even preferred travel from one place to another. One word, when repeated enough times, will make ‘exodus’ obsolete. That is how it works.

    That is how it has worked in Godhra Massacre case too. Fortunately, there are people who have lived those times and experienced that pain. Social Media is a double-edged sword. The ideas were soon countered with arguments and recollections of people who have experienced the pain of the exodus, either themselves or through loved ones.

    Not true at all. Jagmohan had just arrived in Jammu. He had not even reached Kashmir on January 19, 1990. That is when Farooq A was sulking and had not even transferred charge. There was no Govt visible. That night the exodus began after threats from mosques emanated. https://t.co/DEi1Aozb4N

    — Sunanda Vashisht (@sunandavashisht) April 27, 2018

    Many Kashmiri Muslims have manufactured lies about Pandit exodus over last three decades and you (and others) continue to lap up the propaganda. If saving minority Pandits from Islamist onslaught is termed partisan, so be it. Kashmir not only political problem but also Islamist. https://t.co/afcz8mdjwL

    — ورد شرما (@VaradSharma) April 28, 2018

    Journalist and author Rahul Pandita explained the events related to Jagmohan and the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits in a series of tweets. He stated that on the night of the mass exodus, Governor Jagmohan was not even there in Srinagar. He was in Jammu.

    Mosques in Shrinagar were openly calling for the killing of pandits, threats and attacks were underway and the situation was grim. By the time Jagmohan reached Srinagar on January 21, 1990, many had already left and those who had not, were leaving in groups slowly.

    Pandita states that when a prominent Kashmiri Pandit leader HN Jattu wrote an open letter to militant leaders not to kill pandits, the JKLF had responded by killing his associate and dumping his body in a drain. He shared an excerpt with statements from Ghulam Mohammad Sofi, the editor of Srinagar Times, from 1997.

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    A recount of the times when Pandits were forced out of Kashmir by Islamists
    The killings happened in ones or twos, the threats were blared out from mosques. The fact that people do not leave their homeland hurriedly to live in refugee camps unless they are forced to do so, does not register with many.

    There are several documented recollections and statements which emphasize the way the exodus began, the Pandits were being targetted and threatened long before they decided to save their lives and flee from an Islamist mob and apathetic state government.

    As shared by writer and blogger Dimple Kaul, Ashish Nandy of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies stated, “When Hindus began to be exterminated systematically in Kashmir and began to leave in large numbers, our secularist friends said then Governor Jagmohan had deliberately organised the forced migration. I would like to see people leaving their ancestral homes with a sack in hand just because the governor asked them to do so. When questioned later as to how the killings of Hindus were not condemned strongly enough, some of them said newspapers had refused to carry their statements.”

    No exodus happens overnight. Hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits did not become refugees in their own country because a governor asked them to. Ex-Governor Jagmohan in his own words has recalled how bad the situation in Kashmir was when he was asked to and join there urgently. Even if one believes the secular argument for a moment and considers Jagmohan was responsible, why then the killings of Kashmiri Pandits continued through the 1990s and later? 23 pandits were massacred in Nandimarg in 2003. There were reports of how the massacre was aided by the local policemen who later tried to hush it up.

    When one sees the adulation and coverage the slain terrorist Burhan Wani received by the media, it becomes easier to understand how brilliantly the story of Kashmiri Pandit exodus would have been ignored and whitewashed for all these years. Till date, media defends stones pelters and condemns soldiers who get injured trying to protect lives.

    Kashmir is the centre of a thousand turmoils. There is article 370, terrorism, external interference and a dozen others. But at the base of all these lies one reason, radical Islamism. Blaming Jagmohan, blaming the army or anyone would not solve the issue. Kashmiri Pandits became refugees in their own countries because the state machinery could not tackle the radical elements. Kashmir will remain the centre of thousand turmoils till the root cause of radical Islamism continues to persist.

    But as earlier noted by an article on OpIndia, this whitewashing is part of the larger attempt to rewrite history. To quote from the article and to modify it to suit this Jagmohan conspiracy and latest incidents:

    “The Lutyens liberals grudgingly have to blame Jinnah for the 1947 partition, despite them wanting to blame only the RSS. They don’t want to blame any Jinnah again. So if and when Kashmir gets azadi, the blame shall rest entirely with the Hindus. From a Hindu Jagmohan to the ‘Hindu army’ that ties a Kashmiri Muslim to jeep.

    Burhan Wani will be the Bhagat Singh in the history textbooks of Islamic State of Kashmir, and our Lutynes liberals are working towards the first draft of that chapter.”
     
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    Population Control: Kerala Numbers Show Why Official Definition Of TFR Will Not Work In India

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    • The official definition of Total Fertility Rate (TFR) fails to capture the actual fertility levels in Indian society, resulting in high underestimation of TFR.

      In general TFR rates have been highly underestimated and in particular there have been some concerted efforts to hide the high fertility rates among Muslims.
    The Prime Minister’s suggestion to check population in his address to the nation on 15 August 2019 has invited massive criticism, mainly on four counts.

    First, India doesn’t require any check on its population since it has already reached a total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.2, which is very close to replacement TFR of 2.1.

    Second, if any forced policy was adopted to check population, it will later result in a China-like situation, where the government had to revert their one-child population policy due to their ongoing problem of an aging population.

    Third, once TFR starts falling, it will be difficult to reverse, as can be noticed in most developed Western and North American countries. Therefore, rather than putting a check on population, India should think of tackling the forthcoming problem of an aging population.

    Fourth, this is to target Muslims only (under pressure from RSS), while ignoring the fact that the little higher TFR of Muslims is due to high poverty and less literacy/education levels among them.

    The fact, however, that stares in our face is that the official definition of TFR is bound to fail in capturing the actual fertility levels in Indian society, resulting in high underestimation of TFR.

    Moreover, one notices that TFR calculations vary significantly with different data sources.

    TFR And Its Sources

    According to the World Health Organization (WHO), TFR, in simple terms, refers to the total number of children born or likely to be born to a woman in her lifetime, if she were subject to the prevailing rate of age-specific fertility in the population.

    A TFR of about 2.1 children per woman is called replacement-level fertility. If replacement-level fertility is sustained over a sufficiently long period, each generation will exactly replace itself. In other words, the population will remain constant.

    There are three major data sources from which TFR can be calculated, namely, the periodic census reports based on all households held at intervals of 10 years, the Sample Registration System (SRS) and National Family Health Survey (NFHS) based on samples generally in the middle of census periods, and the Annual Vital Statistics Reports published by all states every year.

    Problems With TFR Calculation

    TFR is the expected number of births given by a woman in her entire life but its calculation includes women aged between 15 to 49 years only. If any woman aged less than 15 years or more than 49 years gives birth to a child, it is not counted for the calculation of TFR.

    The Census-2011 for the state of Kerala shows that a large number of children were born to women aged less than 15 years and greater than 49 years, especially among Muslims. However, the TFR figures based on the same Census-2011 for the state of Kerala are 1.53 for Hindus, 1.7 for Christians and 2.3 for Muslims.

    If the two age groups (less than 15 and greater than 49) are also included in the TFR calculation, it will drastically increase the Muslim TFR over other religious groups.

    Similarly, one also notices a higher degree of underestimation of TFR in less literate and poor states, where incidences of marriage before attaining the age of 15 are likely to be very high, especially among the Muslims, due to no minimum age bar for marriage.

    Additionally, TFR calculations are based on past and current trends, and it captures only natural progression in age-specific fertility. It fails to provide unbiased estimates in the eventuality of external influences on age fertility, like for example influence of religious leaders, government, etc.

    For instance, the Syro-Malabar Archbishop requested Christians to increase their population in 2006 (similar announcements have been made by religious leaders of almost all religions), While this may increase the planned fertility for a woman, her current TFR will remain same.

    Contradicting Data

    The NFHS-4 data on TFR for the whole of India for the year 2015-16 indicates that ‘general Hindu’ TFR is 2.13 while the Hindu Scheduled Caste’s (SC) TFR is 2.26. This minuscule difference may be attributed to the fact that SCs are mostly located in rural areas.

    Similarly, the SRS baseline survey 2014 shows that the average family size of ‘general Hindus’ is 4.3 while the same for Scheduled Castes is 4.4. This data also corroborates the minuscule difference in TFR among these two groups.

    Since there isn’t any TFR differential between the Hindu SCs and other Hindus, the question arises: can we conclude that there aren’t any income/poverty and literacy/education differential between these two groups? But a lot of National Sample Survey (NSS) and Census reports point to education and income differential between these two groups.

    Therefore, either one of the following must be true: no income/poverty/literacy differential exists between these two social groups or there is another very important factor that affects population growth.

    Interestingly, this low income/literacy criterion is always propagated to explain high TFR of Muslims, while at the same time it is also claimed that the socio-economic conditions of Muslims is comparable to the Hindu Scheduled Castes.

    Inconsistency

    In order to throw light on the contradiction in the NFHS-4 data, let us take the case of the state of Kerala, which has the highest literacy, comparatively less poverty, and one of the best public health system --- almost all pregnant women are attended to by trained health professionals and almost all births are registered.

    The NFHS-4 data for 2015-16 for Kerala shows that TFR for Hindus and Muslims were reduced to 1.42 and 1.86 respectively, which means that the Muslim TFR is only 35 per cent higher than that of Hindus.

    Now how does one resolve what this data shows while all other factors related to demography during the same period completely contradict these figures?

    For instance, the number of births by Muslim women and Hindu women for the year 2016 were 21,1182 and 20,7831 respectively, which indicates that despite their population being almost half of the Hindu women, Muslim women gave birth to more children.

    In other words, on an average, there were 100 per cent more births from Muslim women than their Hindu counterpart.

    Similarly, if we look at the voter list, we find that the percentage increase in the number of voters between 2014 and 2019 is more than 100 per cent higher in the Muslim-dominated parliamentary constituency (Malappuram) than the parliamentary constituency with least Muslims (Thiruvananthapuram).

    How is it possible that when all other factors related to population are indicating around 100 per cent difference between Muslims and Hindus, the TFR is showing just a 35 per cent difference?

    If we calculate the TFR for Kerala on the basis of the Annual Vital Statistics Report-2016, it comes to around 2.8 for Muslims, while the same for Hindus is 1.3, which actually shows that the Muslim TFR is more than a 100 per cent higher than that of Hindus in the state.

    Moreover, in the first class of TFR age interval (15-19), Muslim women had more births than the combined births by women of all other religions in the state. Even the share of Muslim women in the higher order of birth (3rd child, 4th child, and so on) is extremely high compared to the combined share for all other religions (See Table 1).

    It doesn’t make any sense as to why the government has resorted to NFHS-4 survey to calculate TFR, which is based on just 11,555 households for the state of Kerala when the TFR can easily be calculated on the basis of Annual Vital Statistics Reports published every year. Doesn’t this raise doubts on NFHS-4?

    [​IMG] Table 1: Percentage distribution of live birth by major religions in Kerala in 2016.


    All these figures indicate that in general TFR rates have been highly underestimated and in particular there have been some concerted efforts to hide the high fertility rates among Muslims.

    The criticism that even China had to revert its one-child policy is very bizarre since no demographic policy can be adopted forever. In fact, it keeps on changing on the basis of circumstances and requirement.

    It is also very strange to see that mainstream intelligentsia no longer considers population a problem in a country that shall become the most populous country in the world in the near future.

    They are purposively associating major problems faced by India, which are, lack of self-sufficiency in agricultural production, shrinking area under agriculture and forests, rapid urbanization, lack of space for outdoor sports, decreasing availability of potable water, environmental degradation, increasing pollution, etc., solely to ‘poor management’.

    Given the fact that the world is rapidly adopting artificial intelligence (AI), overseas jobs for Indians are going to shrink very fast, and it is high time for India to take a call on its population.
     
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    Thanks for spreading awareness. We need this literature too to counter fake narratives.
     
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    this is well known for long time....Hindus have been sold by elite rich Hindu maggots & their westernised bureaucratic dogs in Indian govt in name of capitalist liberalism & secularism.
     
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    921 Mappila Rebellion was genocide of Hindus

    “O believers, do not treat your fathers and mothers as your friends if they prefer unbelief to belief; whomsoever of you takes them for friends, they are evil-doers.” (The Quran; Repentance IX: 20)

    For a believer, Nobel laureate VS Naipaul says, Islam “can become a neurosis”. The numerous instances of savagery that played out during the Mappila Rebellion (Malabar Rebellion) in 1921-22 prove this observation is not off the mark. For instance, the heart-rending story of a Good Samaritan who was slain by his adopted Muslim son forces us to think about the debasement the religion can bring about in an ordinary individual. The story goes like this: The man who belonged to an aristocratic family, brought up an orphaned Muslim boy upon whom he had showered all his love and affection. The boy used to call him ‘father’.
    By the end of the year 1921, the Mappila Rebellion had reached its crescendo. Massacre and atrocities against Hindus had become the order of the day. For the rebels, killing a “kaffar” or raping a Hindu woman or a child or burning a temple had become a religious duty. There was fear in the air. But the poor man thought he would be safe as he had many Muslims as his servants. One night Mappila rebels stormed his house. They searched the entire house but could not locate him. In this context, the boy called his ‘father’ to come out. Feeling reassured, the man appeared on the scene. When the rebels ventured to kill him, the boy declared: “Nobody should touch him, I will behead my father.” And without any qualms, the boy cut the old man’s throat.
    Puzhikkal Narayanan Nair of Nannambra, too, had faced somewhat similar ordeal after his trusted Muslim servants betrayed him. Mappila rebels looted his house, carried off one of the girls and a boy and put to death other seven members of the family. Narayanan Nair made a miraculous escape. The minor girl was rescued from the captivity after six weeks of torture and rape.
    The savagery and brutalities committed by Mappila-Muslim rebels against innocent Hindus during the Malabar Rebellion in 1921-22 might embarrass even the most inhuman Islamic State cadres of today.
    The most unfortunate part of the Malabar saga is that while the perpetrators are being celebrated as freedom fighters getting pensions and other facilities from both Kerala and Central governments, Hindu victims and their kin are left to fend for themselves. Adding insult to injury, Marxist historians, in a bid to co-opt Mappilas, have painted Hindu victims as ‘collaborators of imperialists’.
    The Malabar holocaust doesn’t have many parallels in the history of India in terms of its magnitude and ferocity. It was, in fact, a culmination of a series of minor communal outbreaks, which used to take place almost regularly ever since Tippu launched military raids to convert Kerala into an Islamic country in the 18th century. According to an estimate, 5,000 Hindus perished and over 30,000 people were forcefully converted during the six months of murder and mayhem. The official figures of forceful conversions are, as usual, much less. In her book The Future Of Indian Politics: A Contribution To The Understanding Of Present-Day Problems, Annie Besant notes: “They murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about a lakh of people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything.”
    Excerpts from a memorandum submitted by the women victims to Lady Reading would give a clear picture of what had happened during the rebellion.
    “….it is possible that Your Ladyship is not fully apprised of all the horrors and atrocities perpetrated by the fiendish rebels; of the many wells and tanks filled with the mutilated but often only half-dead bodies of our dearest and nearest ones who refused to abandon the faith of our fathers; of pregnant women cut to pieces and left on the roadside and in the jungles, with the unborn babe protruding from the mangled corpse; of our innocent and helpless children torn from our arms and done to death before our eyes and of our husbands and fathers tortured, tortured and burnt alive; of our helpless sisters forcibly carried away from the midst of kith and kin and subjected to every shame and outrage which the vile and brutal imagination of these inhuman hell hounds could conceive of; of thousands of our homesteads reduced to cinder mounds out of sheer savagery and a wanton spirit of destruction; of our places of worship desecrated and destroyed and of the images of deity shamefully insulted by putting the entrails of slaughtered cows where flower garlands used to lie, or else smashed to pieces; of the wholesale looting of hard-earned wealth of generations…….. These are not fables.”
    The Khilafat Movement: Gandhiji’s failed gamble
    Mahatma Gandhi took up the Khilafat cause in 1921 hoping that it would bring about a change in the mindset of Muslims towards cow. He states: “I yield to none in my regard for cow. I have made the Khilafat cause my own, because I see that through its preservation full protection can be secured for the cow.” Belying his sublime hopes, the bestial Mappilas stole cows from Hindu houses, slaughtered them and fed the meat to the forcefully converted Hindus. A large section of the Congress, including Muhammad Ali Jinnah, staunchly opposed Gandhiji’s plan and warned against bringing “unwholesome” elements into politics. Yasser Latif Hamdani, Lahore-based author, in his book Mr Jinnah: Myth and Reality, writes, “In his passion to rouse masses, Gandhi lost all control and balance. Ultimately — as Jinnah had warned — the movement fell flat on its face and Gandhi — along with the Khilafists — was utterly humiliated but not releasing the genie of identity politics in South Asia.”
    With the Congress taking up the Khilafat cause, Muslims in large numbers joined the organisation. Initially there was bonhomie between Hindus and Muslims. But slowly the things started taking a communal turn. The Congress’ call for non-violent means of protest had no effect on Muslims, who started amassing weapons and targeting Hindus. In The Moplah Rebellion, C Gopalan Nair writes: “The Hindu believed in Hindu-Muslim unity and never dreamed of a day when the Muslim would turn against him; the Moplah had no such delusion; he wanted Muslim swaraj; he worked for it; he was ready for a general rising and bided him time. (sic)” Incensed by the arrest of the Khilafat leader Ali Musaliar and the rumour that the Mambaram mosque was razed to the ground by the British, the Mappilas went on a rampage and killed Hindu men, women and children. Violence erupted in areas where Muslims had considerable presence.
    Avokker Musaliar, a Khilafat chieftain, led a huge contingent of rebels who indulged in manslaughter and forceful conversion of hundreds of Hindus. He usurped a Nambuthiri illom and conducted a sharia court. Scores of Hindus were brought before him from villages, some with their families. Invariably they were given two options: convert or face the music. Circumcision was performed promptly on men who accepted Islam while others were taken to a shrine attached to the illom and beheaded and their bodies were thrown into a well. About 60 bodies were recovered from the well later.
    Chembrassery Imbichi Koya Tangal was another beast in human form who spearheaded mass murders and forceful conversion. “More than 40 Hindus were taken to the Tangal with their hands tied behind their back, charged with the crime of helping military by supplying them with milk, tender coconuts, etc., and 38 of these Hindus were condemned to death. …Thirty eight men were murdered, one of whom a pensioned Head Constable to whom he owned a grudge had his head neatly divided into two halves.” (The Moplah Rebellion)
    A report published in Madras Mail (dated October 4, 1921) reads: “Several recent reports show that between Variankunnath Kunhammad Haji and the Chembraasseri Tangal, it has been decided that all Hindus residing in villages at the mercy of rebel bands, should be put to death unless they accept Islam. Instances are mentioned in which Hindus had actually been forced to dig their own graves before being butchered. It is also reported that diabolical reprisals are being perpetrated against all persons known or suspected of supplying provisions to the military and police, one report stating that the Chembrasseri Tangal had ordered a Hindu to be flayed alive for supplying troops with milk. In villages like Melattur, Melmuri, Karuvarakundu and Toovur, extermination of the Hindu population is being systematically carried on, but young women and girls who find favour with rebels are forcibly carried away.”
    A report prepared on the atrocities committed on Hindus mentions about an incident where ‘a pregnant woman carrying 7 months was cut through the abdomen by a rebel and she was lying dead on the way with the dead child projecting out of the womb’. “Another, a baby of six months was snatched away from the breast of its own mother and cut into pieces.”
    Annie Besant was a staunch critic of Khilafat. She writes, “Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India.”
     
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    Unfortunately,This forum has seen rise of islamophobia over the past one or two year.Moderators are not bothered by this unfortunately even though one of the founding members is a muslim I believe
     
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    Phobia ? You know Imrand Khana is opening a channel to tackle that you'll be recruited easily.

    The posts here merely pointed out facts where India has been the victim of Islamic terrorism from past to present . And all you got is phobia ?

    You may run from truth to deny it's existence but it existed before and it is here right in our face. Islam is the biggest enemy of Hindus and India there should not be "two words" about it.

    Indian Muslim are extremist waiting for their opportunity to strike wherever they can only a few exception we see here and there but it doesn't change the fact.
     
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    Personal attacks won't help your arguments.

    My point is towards the general trend on this forum where in a lot of threads a lot of abuse towards Muslims is hurled without any consequences whereas same wouldn't be tolerated towards Hindus.While the intention of this thread might have been to highlight the Islamic terrorism but a lot of posts here are rabidly anti-Muslim.

    No body denied the existence of Islamic terrorism.Try to read things without emotional outbursts and preconceived notions.

    And these type of posts are pointing at,You are making very sweeping generalizations.You should make a distinction between Indian Muslims and extremist Indian Muslims.

    One comes to this forum to read intellectual debates and discussions unlike Twitter and Instagram,otherwise what's the difference?
     
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    It is understood that we are not talking about all Muslims here.

    So what’s the solution you are proposing? Members should write all the conditionality at bottom of every post.
     
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    There is no difference between an Indian Muslim and extremist Indian Muslim. The .0ⁿ that really are patriotic are too small as a group to make any difference.
     
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    Those patriotic ones won't speak up due to fear of backlash from their community.
     
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    Put aside Afghan,Porkistan and BD just in India only ONE state(cashmir) out of 30 states has Muslim majority and Hindu minority do u know what happens to them?

    M 100% sure it will repeat in Assam,Bengal &Kerala too in future.

    PS: Hindus not alone Jews,Buddhists,atheist Chinese,Western xtians and all have the same feeling.
     
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    First tell me who is Muslim ( and keep Indian out of it because that's the last thing that matters pakistani muslims or bangladeshi muslims were also Indian at one point of time )

    @janme what you see in the forum is what people go through rest is your perception and if you wish to have a intellectual debate don't hop on some old comment which is already answered and make a generalisation that there is a phobia while we actually battle them in real life.


    Those who have been to Kashmir know that entire movement is religious. Their mosques regularly speak against kafirs on loud speaker and pro Pakistan rhetoric. Infact they openly declare it will become Pakistan not just Kashmir but in Jammu too .

    And terrorism is not just the bomb blast or bullet fires at civilian and defence personnel time to time.

    I have seen people suffering of Love jihad Yes its damn fucking real where fake names are used to lure small girls rape them and then do whatever . Their community promote it . Increase in robbery. Cow theft forced people to either leave the profession or start guarding round the clock and keeping them inside the farm all time.

    Regular rape crimes targeted harassment no go zones mini Pakistan that are developing inside India that's the big terror that general public have to deal daily.
     
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    We need not show any sensitivity towards Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, we are walking on enough Egg shells already...
     
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    If they are Hindu Sikh Buddhists Jain parsi jews yes we have to. They were duped by Nehru and Gandhi's along with British But they are Hindustani as much as you and me are.

    Muslim and co on the other hand voted for Pakistan (Bangladesh).
     
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    No I don’t carry that view, unless they want to be Indian citizens legally or they show affinity towards Bharat mata.

    Edit: that new Sikh major in Pakistan army will probably not think twice to follow orders to capture an Indian post.

    Question on Pakistani Hindu soldier does not arise because there are no Hindu soldiers in paki army, because hindus are employed only as sweepers in pak army and FC.

    Likewise Indian Muslim regiment did recapture our posts during Kargil.

    I had to edit this post with lengthier explanation because DFI is becoming like Twitter. People jumping to conclusions left & right.
     
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