Muslim appeasement by Modi Government.

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show the will to act and not hide behind secularism and worry about image or how their vote share will be affected especially when they have overwhelming majority. Right now they might as well be running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. Many right wingers voted for them not because of any love for Bhajpa but because they detest congress even more. 10 years is a long time. If we need to take steps to become an autocracy of sorts so be it. We will face this civilizational battle sooner or later anyway.
Government cannot wage a war where the battle lines are vague, whose contours even the most staunchest right Winger is unable to define. If you feel that the govt is playing both sides and trying to reap the political harvest, then all I can say is that you are on the cusp of realizing the true nature power and power brokers who weild it. Governments, the world over, exist for one reason alone, which is to govern and in lieu of it exercise power. Civilization is a romantic idea and politicians are too machiavellian to fall for it. All talk of civilizational battle is used by clever machiavellis of this world to rally gullible people behind their cause, to open their purse strings. Woe upon those who fall for it.
 

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One more feather in BJP government's cap. A hindu girl in Ranchi is ordered to distribute copies of Quran as condition for getting bail.
If BJP took action you will just cheer their action and vote for them. This is a shortcut solution and easy one as the system is in place which is favourable to Hindus then before.

What you would loose it Hindus becoming aware en mass scale and Hindus crowd funding the girls Legal cost. Top Hindu lawyers coming to represent her for free. Even Subu Swamy has joined the party. A Hindu girls open statement on that tomorrow I will be asked to convey to Islam or read Namaz. This all is happening right now. This would not happen if BJP had taken quick action.
 

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One more feather in BJP government's cap. A hindu girl in Ranchi is ordered to distribute copies of Quran as condition for getting bail.
I am sure that government won't do anything to those judges as they will feel too who win the confidence Muslims otherwise.
 

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I am sure that government won't do anything to those judges as they will feel too who win the confidence Muslims otherwise.
I actually don't want BJP to do anything on this.

Judgement like these are exposing the judiciary big time.
For first time I have seen debates by TV channels on an actual judgement, which would not happen before.

In some aspects I want BJP and leadership to act,
in some like in this where the judges are hell bent on destroying themselves, BJP should just let these clowns expose themselves
 

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Government cannot wage a war where the battle lines are vague, whose contours even the most staunchest right Winger is unable to define. If you feel that the govt is playing both sides and trying to reap the political harvest, then all I can say is that you are on the cusp of realizing the true nature power and power brokers who weild it. Governments, the world over, exist for one reason alone, which is to govern and in lieu of it exercise power. Civilization is a romantic idea and politicians are too machiavellian to fall for it. All talk of civilizational battle is used by clever machiavellis of this world to rally gullible people behind their cause, to open their purse strings. Woe upon those who fall for it.
well said. Though I protest vehemently when people suggest Pakistanis and we are the same people, there are times when similarities stare you in the face - cognitive dissonance.
 

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well said. Though I protest vehemently when people suggest Pakistanis and we are the same people, there are times when similarities stare you in the face - cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive dissonance rises from cognitive bias. You see things that you wish to be true, then you invest in constructing a narrative that confirms your bias, further you idealize individuals and entities that personify your bias, disregarding the fact that these entities may have their own biases - net result you have a cult of hero worship and a brood of faithful followers. Why do you think cults rise so spectacularly and then dissolve just as quickly.
 

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Government cannot wage a war where the battle lines are vague, whose contours even the most staunchest right Winger is unable to define. If you feel that the govt is playing both sides and trying to reap the political harvest, then all I can say is that you are on the cusp of realizing the true nature power and power brokers who weild it. Governments, the world over, exist for one reason alone, which is to govern and in lieu of it exercise power. Civilization is a romantic idea and politicians are too machiavellian to fall for it. All talk of civilizational battle is used by clever machiavellis of this world to rally gullible people behind their cause, to open their purse strings. Woe upon those who fall for it.
I havent said the govt will wage a war. Don't know where you got that from when that was quite clearly not being discussed at all. Eventually a 2002 type incident will happen with quasi govt support - they will.not have a choice like they didn't then - to set the record and the miscreants straight. And it wont be u provoked as you very well know. Right now you seem to be talking like a pacifist and Gandhian by saying we must trust institutions even if they are for better or worse hogtied by the current ecosystem because of the backlash that they might face abroad or from international human rights organisations who sit on a high horse but have no skin in the game to pass any judgement when a particular group realises it needs to give a fitting riposte. You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend to be asleep. Ultimately strength and it's display is what will determine which way the political clout - which you forget is all earned because of the people themselves - chooses to break rather than a rule.of law system that is anachronistically objective and failing to cut ice with a certain peaceful group. And yes it will be bloody to state the obvious , can't be any other way. If you had it your way then you would rather only one side turn the cheek and wait for just comeuppance to be delivered because otherwise the consequences might be dire. You don't see the irony In that ? This is exactly how this Ill fitting secularism is failing us now and why also bjp got a majority by itself in 2 elections lest it forget this fact. The civilizational battle will come about not because any of us wishes it to but because something will have to give at some point where a collision course is on the horizon. At that time you can't fight with one arm tied behind your back against someone with a weapon.
 

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I havent said the govt will wage a war. Don't know where you got that from when that was quite clearly not being discussed at all. Eventually a 2002 type incident will happen with quasi govt support - they will.not have a choice like they didn't then - to set the record and the miscreants straight. And it wont be u provoked as you very well know. Right now you seem to be talking like a pacifist and Gandhian by saying we must trust institutions even if they are for better or worse hogtied by the current ecosystem because of the backlash that they might face abroad or from international human rights organisations who sit on a high horse but have no skin in the game to pass any judgement when a particular group realises it needs to give a fitting riposte. You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend to be asleep. Ultimately strength and it's display is what will determine which way the political clout - which you forget is all earned because of the people themselves - chooses to break rather than a rule.of law system that is anachronistically objective and failing to cut ice with a certain peaceful group. And yes it will be bloody to state the obvious , can't be any other way. If you had it your way then you would rather only one side turn the cheek and wait for just comeuppance to be delivered because otherwise the consequences might be dire. You don't see the irony In that ? This is exactly how this Ill fitting secularism is failing us now and why also bjp got a majority by itself in 2 elections lest it forget this fact. The civilizational battle will come about not because any of us wishes it to but because something will have to give at some point where a collision course is on the horizon. At that time you can't fight with one arm tied behind your back against someone with a weapon.
He is a jihadi masquerading with false identity. No point arguing. He never speaks logically and simply indulges in cheap wordplay.
 

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This is cheap setup by BJP to create drama. If we investigate Richa, we may find that she is a BJP worker and is doing a drama. Otherwise, arresting and jailing in 3 hours is unheard of for some random complaint. BJP is trying to play some cheap game
 

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I havent said the govt will wage a war. Don't know where you got that from when that was quite clearly not being discussed at all. Eventually a 2002 type incident will happen with quasi govt support - they will.not have a choice like they didn't then - to set the record and the miscreants straight. And it wont be u provoked as you very well know. Right now you seem to be talking like a pacifist and Gandhian by saying we must trust institutions even if they are for better or worse hogtied by the current ecosystem because of the backlash that they might face abroad or from international human rights organisations who sit on a high horse but have no skin in the game to pass any judgement when a particular group realises it needs to give a fitting riposte. You can't bury your head in the sand and pretend to be asleep. Ultimately strength and it's display is what will determine which way the political clout - which you forget is all earned because of the people themselves - chooses to break rather than a rule.of law system that is anachronistically objective and failing to cut ice with a certain peaceful group. And yes it will be bloody to state the obvious , can't be any other way. If you had it your way then you would rather only one side turn the cheek and wait for just comeuppance to be delivered because otherwise the consequences might be dire. You don't see the irony In that ? This is exactly how this Ill fitting secularism is failing us now and why also bjp got a majority by itself in 2 elections lest it forget this fact. The civilizational battle will come about not because any of us wishes it to but because something will have to give at some point where a collision course is on the horizon. At that time you can't fight with one arm tied behind your back against someone with a weapon.
My dear friend mob violence begets mob violence, which in turn begets more violence. This vicious cycle of violence will singe everyone in its wake. International organizations may not have a skin in this game, but you, me and everyone who lives in this land do. Rule of law is the only principle that separates civilization from barbarism. These institutions of democracy, socialism, Secularism, equality of the man in the eyes law, are the only reason why more than half the citizens of this country are no longer out castes living on the fringes of society like their forefathers did, why landless people are no longer godforsaken scavengers in their own lands, why tens of millions of lower caste Hindus can practice their faith without scorn and humiliation.

Man is perhaps the only animal that despises his own freedom. We are so consumed by the irrational fear of choice, that we rather let someone else make the choice for us. Let someone else decide what I can think, who I can hate, whom I can love, what I can believe, what I can eat, what I can drink, what I can read and so on and so forth. Fear fetters your mind and dissolves your individuality, like bees in a hive, we become just creatures of basic natural instincts.

When we construct this "imagined others", we imagine ourselves as part of an indistinct whole. But this too is an imagination. For the Hindu Muslim /Christian /etc is the other, for hindi speakers tamil /malayali/kannadiga is the other, for a North Indian South Indian is the other, for the upper Caste lower Caste is the other. This business of 'othering' can take any shape or form and you, me and everyone else is, one way or another, the other to everyone else.
 

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I actually don't want BJP to do anything on this.

Judgement like these are exposing the judiciary big time.
For first time I have seen debates by TV channels on an actual judgement, which would not happen before.

In some aspects I want BJP and leadership to act,
in some like in this where the judges are hell bent on destroying themselves, BJP should just let these clowns expose themselves
Association of lawyers has also opposed the judgement and has condemn the judgement and has asked for the transfer of judge.
 

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Sucker Modi has started sucking maulana now. Now he knows that Hindu vote bank is in pocket, his next step is to surrender to Mullas for Muslim vote bank.
 

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