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Sir ,Africa at that time was in some what of a long war time where one tribe will attack other for resources ,the European and the Arabs offered weapons and money for salves capture .This is in written in both the European and Arabs books plus other evidences like large no of skeleton from that time seems to confirm it.

The only differences is that when European did it the Police forces was still a Police force but when they did it they made it a disaster.Both are racism and both are wrong .
Bahamut I am not justifying latter. But I am pointing out it is WRONG to believe that White Police was any good. I would STRONGLY recommend you to spend atleast half an hour on the twitter link I shared with you. It will dispel any misconceptions of any "angelic" white opressors.

About infighting, which continents did not have have infighting? Asia, Europe, Americas, All had their share share of horrific infighting. Indians were themselves involved in slave trade of their fellow Indians to Arabs in early history,
 

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I think we are talking on same lines.
Nope, you are talking reconciliation, which single handedly means squandering away the opportunity; I am talking about igniting the tinderbox. These are two diametrically opposite things.

It is not our job to babysit the black people and to figure out where THEIR best interests lie. I'm only trying to see how India could squeeze some benefit out of the altercation. That option only exists as long as the tension exists. If it simmers down, then we lose the opportunity to intervene. So we have a vested interest in keeping the pot boiling instead. I am sure that intel agents of Russia and China and CAIR are having a field day making contacts with so many dissident blacks, which they would later exploit for their own advantage as a deep asset. It's only defeatist Indians who are sitting and wondering what's best for blacks, while it matters least to us.

The black Police chief is nothing, check the messages coming out of black community leaders like Ben Carson and Obama, they all singularly want the status quo to prevail and the #BLM movement to be demonized and eventually dismantled. They are a few privileged nuts in the whole system of discrimination, they have a vested interest in keeping the status quo as is, just like privileged Indians from certain communities wanted the British to remain in India because they were benefiting from being British coolies. People from those communities still have a nostalgia about the British Raj. It's the same thing with this black Police Chief.

I saw an interview by the BLM guy yesterday, he was narrating some incident about the last time such tensions flared up (Baltimore) and some NFL group was supposed to play somewhere and refused to do so until some of their demands were met. I don't recollect the exact details of what that event was but the gist of his contention and mine is that there is a feeling in the black community that the only way for blacks to get rights is to play the realpolitik game against their government. We should support this noble cause, just like CIA funded Arundhati Roy to support the noble cause of Naxals.

As long as you are willing to float the notion that blacks are a stakeholder, regardless of the quantum, you are inadvertently pushing a theory of reconciliation since you are suggesting that they have overlapping interests with the whites. I am arguing against it. The only time a person is impelled to fight is when he feels that he does not have a stake in the existing status quo. This is the gist of Karl Marx's theory of why and how people can be provoked to give up any wishes to 'fit in' with the existing social structure and work towards bringing it down completely instead of making compromises with it. This initial hysteria is essential for the movement to have any inertia. We should promote the idea of black victimhood and marginalization instead of giving them hope of any stakes. (Incidentally, that is precisely the doctrine which the West has hit India with whereby they use their media and local assets to make every small altercation look like a secessionist rebellion)

Ferguson, Baltimore and now this. There is a natural progression to this, and the movement grows bigger and bigger every time. This will eventually lead to a violent people's revolution, which might or might not win decisive victories against the might of the state but it will permanently discomfort the state, that is for sure. There are greater forces at play. Just let it happen, don't resist it.
 
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You seems to have misunderstood my point .I said that after Apartheid ,SA police became very ineffective because officers who were good in their job but ineffective people.It was bad for every one. Yes ,British very cruel ,but what of it.So were nearly every empire or civilization was very cruel to their enemy .
Bahamut, I understand your point, but what I am trying to say is Africans are acting in retributive fashion, because as a civilization they have a long list of grouses. The situation became bad, because govt allowed to. If Govt had followed proper procedures and monitoring, it would not have been bad. Now to caution about "Vice". Its a propaganda channel. Be aware of it. Right now there is a systematic attack on BRICS countries using various channels/NGO's/Institutions, on their stability using propaganda & misinformation. They dont want BRICS to come out as alternative Bloc to western model. Be cautious of not buying too much of their propaganda
 
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Nope, you are talking reconciliation, meaning squandering away the opportunity; I am talking about igniting the tinderbox. These are two diametrically opposite things.

It is not our job to babysit the black people and to ensure where THEIR best interests lie. I'm only trying to see how India could squeeze some benefit out of it. That option only exists as long as the tension exists. If it simmers down, then we lose the opportunity to intervene. I am sure that agents of Russia and China and CAIR are having a field day making contacts with so many dissident citizens which they could later exploit for their own advantage. It's only defeatist Indians who are sitting and wondering what's best for blacks, while it matters least to us.

The black Police chief is nothing, check the messages coming out of black community leaders like Ben Carson and Obama, they all singularly want the status quo to prevail and the #BLM movement to be demonized and eventually dismantled. They are a few privileged nuts in the whole system of discrimination, they have a vested interest in keeping the status quo as is, just like privileged Indians from certain communities wanted the British to remain in India because they were benefiting from being British coolies. People from those communities still have a nostalgia about the British Raj. It's the same thing with this black Police Chief.

I saw an interview by the BLM guy yesterday, he was narrating some incident about the last time such tensions flared up (Baltimore) and some NFL group was supposed to play somewhere and refused to do so until some of their demands were met. I don't recollect the exact details of what that event was but the gist of his contention and mine is that there is a feeling in the black community that the only way for blacks to get rights is to play the realpolitik game against their government. We should support this noble cause, just like CIA funded Arundhati Roy to support the noble cause of Naxals.
Reconcile: Blacks are not saint. I never used the word reconcile. I only said Black should stick to what hey have and then can eventually build upon. The Dallas Police Chief is a Black. He may well could be a mask subservient to White order of things but I see it as point from where they can start. Black are very much part of American dream/story as they are visible every where from Army to Presidency. I never dictated how Black should respond. Many on this forum know that I am for strong arms control laws every where. I am rather using this opportunity to agonist the same cause.

Opportunity: Your fingers are running faster than your brain. I am hardly interested in conspiracy theories. I know what India and Indians are capable of when it comes to benefiting from a conflict or ruins of a conflict. And its not because Indians are losers but what our priorities are for the time being.

I understand street level conflict and their resolutions because I have been part of many. You lack the basic understanding of conflict mechanics. The only benefit we may have from all this is what @rock127 has mentioned about American leadership losing the face when on dictation of scoundrel like John Dayal they try to preach us about tolerance and other moralities. Even that may not work as American leadership is too powerful to override such whataboutery and keep supporting these scums in India.

Coming back to Conflicts; when one community kill another community the real beneficiaries are the aggressors because they earn to sit on table and renegotiate the terms. Countries like Russia and China may play some role using their sleeper cells but their gains will remain limited and they will never come out in open to take sides as they know it will back fire at their own soil.

I have closely seen militancy in Punjab and have yet to find one single article describing how losing the arms struggle Sikhs became sole beneficiaries in terms of becoming relevant socially and politically that now they have eclipsed Hindus in very marker.

In a nut shell Black will benefit from this whole episode.

Indian Examples: You are playing dangerously here. I am not going to entertain any of such Indian reference that you have been recklessly ascribing that I have to decode, why they do not fit into American context.
 
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Nobody ask your opinion, if you have problem with my post just add me in your ignore list.


And I don't care about white's opinion about Indian, we don't need their recognition.

Indians wrote treaties on medicine, art, drama architecture etc when whites and European were living in caves.

So unlike a self hating, inferiority complex ridden Bharat ek Khaaj - i have superiority complex of my people.

Also, If white started persecuting Indians they have this nation to come back but where will Blacks go ?

First off I think we should not form stereotypes. While Indians did achieve a lot in the past our total contribution in science,philosophy and other fields are still negligible in comparison to whites. Forums like Ren and stormfront still bash and ridicule us on our racist views despite being of darker shades than whites.

Can you prove Tutankhamen, greatest of Egyptian pharaos was a negro? The Egyptians were not blacks. Ask the Jews. They were subjugated by Egyptians, they know the colour of their subjugator, and the colour is certainly not black. Ancient paintings of Egyptians paint the skin as yellow, not black. The Egyptians were Caucasians, no blacks. Stop coming up with fantasies.


The pre-Roman/Greek Egyptians may not have been Caucasians but maybe upper Afro/jewish or Arabic
. I believe Arab and Caucasian admixture only occurred later. Recent DNA studies(2007 and 2008) suggest so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt#Population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt


As for IQ the western based research institutes compare us with Sub Saharan Africans.

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=2812


Anyway if you talk about skin colour how do you feel about those Jews who were originally Arabic people and yet they have given the world the highest number of Nobel Prizes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

Also how do you explain the occurrence of so many IAS toppers among the Tamilans. I mean the Tamilians and Bengalis each have 3 Nobel Prize winners.
(Rabi Thakur,A.Sen and M. Yunus)
I just gave this comparison because you seem to believe in AIT which I admit does have archaeological and historical backing. Also let us not foget about IVC or Mohenjodaro Harrapa. This showed the acumen of the Dravidians. As for us Bengalis we are mainly a mixture of Aryans,Dravidians and Tibeto Burman population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohenjo-daro



P.S. I am fairly fair in colour just FYI.
 
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My view on this issue is simple. Blacks will continue to get stereotyped and victimized till they remain poor and unemployed. Poverty and unemployment wreaks havoc on their family social structures which turns them into criminals and underachievers.

The only solution is to fight the discrimination and get educated. Blacks have been guaranteed affirmative action (in Indian terms reservations) in the US constitution. They should make cent per cent use of that rather than indulging in crimes and victim-hood. The Dallas shootings will only add fuel to the vitriolic minds of hypocritical racists and their ilk.
 

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Think that USA is ready for the new american revolution. Whites should take back control of the land that their forefathers built (undeniably on the backs of helpless negro slaves). They should get rid of the jews corrupting their society especially their arts and entertainment and politics and economy. The US should stop taking in more immigrants from God knows where not and focus on improving the education and thus the economic condition of the blacks first.
However, a white leader must do this. A black or a mulato would never be able to do it. There would be his lack of intent and lack of support from white populace in general. Abraham Lincoln was no slave, yet he got rid of slavery in America. Sometimes one doesn't need to be in the condition or be born in the condition to fight against something and win.
Donald Trump offers some hope in that direction.
America can save itself only if it gets rid of the globalist zionists (for lack of a better word)
America is kinda a like an experiment which brings capable people from all nations together to drive the engine of globalism. It is not a real country. The real countries/nations there were wiped out clean by the Europeans who came there. Yes, I'm talking about the native americans, the great incas, and aztecs reduced to running casinos. In the longer run the US will disintegrate into several parts, imo. Once that is done the parasitic zionists will move on to another host.
 

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Maybe now would be a good time for all those CIA funded orgs like Ford Foundation and Greenpeace which are so fond of setting up self righteous institutions preaching 'democratic values' to India should set up some of those institutions on US soil; Seems like the US needs them more. Also, reminds me of Obama's speech on Indian soil castigating us for our allegedly shoddy state of human rights and exalting Gandhian values, which he thinks we have strayed away from. Maybe someone should remind him of the values of Martin Luther which his country seems to have strayed away from, given that black kids are being shot in the streets like it's open season.

An interesting thing which came to my notice was that China has a human rights council exclusively dedicated to hearing human rights violations happening in the US (informally referred to as the "China Human Rights Report"). This government organization was apparently started by China as a tit-for-tat response to the US taking potshots at China being a human rights shithole. Immediately after this happened, the US reports about Chinese human rights violations went down drastically, now it rarely gets any coverage in US media, except an oblique and vague reference here and there about lack of 'freedom', but the pointed ideologically motivated attacks aimed at shaming China on the international platform have stopped.

India should start something like that and have hearings of Americans whose rights have been violated. We should offer scholarships to families whose siblings are killed by the American police. We should invite them to come to India and speak about the atrocities being committed on them by US government, just like the US government sponsors activists like Priya Pillai and Arundhati Roy to badmouth our government. We should aim to strike a strong alliance with the black community based on the deep rooted and common ethos of civil rights activism against white man's racism, building upon the foundation of our respective Mahatma Gandhi - Martin Luther legacies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Record_of_the_United_States

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-04/14/c_135278381.htm




At the same time, I hope the Muslim clerics in US urge black citizens in the US to convert en masse to Islam and continue their struggle against the US government with international backing, instead of staying as a second class citizen under the Christian fold dominated by Anglosaxon Protestant White Men. Only then will this movement of #BlackLivesMatter have any real traction. Otherwise, it will be relegated to the status of just a Twitter hash tag.

Soviets had a history of igniting black-white race tensions. They leveraged this fault line very well during the Cold War when they would send forged letters purporting to be from black people, addressed to the heads of armed white supremacist militias, this would invariably trigger racial tensions. Now that the Soviet Union is no more, India, Russia, and China should set up a fund to help the black struggle in the US. Then there is the angle of conversion to Islam and its connection to the global Ummah and their larger struggle against the US. Once this tinderbox is ignited, the US will have their hands full, and they will be disadvantaged against using underhanded tactics against developing BRICS nations, since their resources and attention will be divided.
Yes, India should work on such poking mechanisms too.

Also India should show support for all the minorities in the US :D esp. in strategic areas like say Texas :D
 

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America can save itself only if it gets rid of the globalist zionists (for lack of a better word)
America is kinda a like an experiment which brings capable people from all nations together to drive the engine of globalism. It is not a real country. The real countries/nations there were wiped out clean by the Europeans who came there. Yes, I'm talking about the native americans, the great incas, and aztecs reduced to running casinos. In the longer run the US will disintegrate into several parts, imo. Once that is done the parasitic zionists will move on to another host.
Sshh Aztecs,Native Americans are not humans.:biggrin2::biggrin2::pound::pound::pound:

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On a serious note Hernan Cortez who conquered Mexico was a bastard and a complete thug. He did not even bath daily unlike the great Montezuma II.

It is on the blood of people like the Aztecas,native Americans upon which the western world has been built.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernán_Cortés


 

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558 black civilians killed in the US in 2016 alone!

The US government has killed more unarmed black civilians in their own country than the number of armed terrorists killed by the Indian army in Kashmir. And they* call us aggressors.

they*
Ford Foundation
GreenPeace
Amnesity International
UNHRC
US Human Rights Council
Don't think that the US people are not part of this. After all they claim to be a the greatest democracy, selling their democrazy cookies everywhere. A democracy is a gov of the people by the people for the people so they are guilty too for tax funding their black ops in india and elsewhere.
 

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Reconcile: Blacks are not saint. I never used the word reconcile. I only said Black should stick to what hey have and then can eventually build upon. The Dallas Police Chief is a Black. He may well could be a mask subservient to White order of things but I see it as point from where they can start. Black are very much part of American dream/story as they are visible every where from Army to Presidency. I never dictated how Black should respond. Many on this forum know that I am for strong arms control laws every where. I am rather using this opportunity to agonist the same cause.

Opportunity: Your fingers are running faster than your brain. I am hardly interested in conspiracy theories. I know what India and Indians are capable of when it comes to benefiting from a conflict or ruins of a conflict. And its not because Indians are losers but what our priorities are for the time being.

I understand street level conflict and their resolutions because I have been part of many. You lack the basic understanding of conflict mechanics. The only benefit we may have from all this is what @rock127 has mentioned about American leadership losing the face when on dictation of scoundrel like John Dayal they try to preach us about tolerance and other moralities. Even that may not work as American leadership is too powerful to override such whataboutery and keep supporting these scums in India.

Coming back to Conflicts; when one community kill another community the real beneficiaries are the aggressors because they earn to sit on table and renegotiate the terms. Countries like Russia and China may play some role using their sleeper cells but their gains will remain limited and they will never come out in open to take sides as they know it will back fire at their own soil.

I have closely seen militancy in Punjab and have yet to find one single article describing how losing the arms struggle Sikhs became sole beneficiaries in terms of becoming relevant socially and politically that now they have eclipsed Hindus in very marker.

In a nut shell Black will benefit from this whole episode.

Indian Examples: You are playing dangerously here. I am not going to entertain any of such Indian reference that you have been recklessly ascribing that I have to decode, why they do not fit into American context.
India might not have capability now, but it can have in the future if it develops. Also, even US does not come out open on such operations. They let the local coolies do the job. And this is exactly what @Navnit Kundu is suggesting.

Don't confuse Implementation with potential.
 

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Absolutely spot on.
What's more sickening is that instead of starting afresh and building upon what has already been achieved, the blacks have given into exploiting "the white man's guilt" and their own inferiority complex.
When the Europeans landed in Africa to colonise, they did not find even one two-storied house in the entire continent. This is the history and civilisation of the Negroes. There are of course natural reasons for this, the most significant of them being the IQ, which is lowest in the world.
@Batfan says they are not dumb becuase they are black, but this is exactly why they are dumb. A whole race devoid of any great ruler, any great city, any great empire, any great architecture is inferior in all aspects. We don't even have to look at the colour of the skin. Even if a white skinned civilisation were so backward we would call them dumb. But then again, the white, the brown, the yellow and the red are not so dumb are they?

Blacks are surely more racist in America than whites. Also noteworthy is the deep difference between "African Americans" and true Africans. Africans are everything the afro-ams are not. At least they do not have a rootless existence. At least they have a country, their own land, their own waters. At least they have their own shanties to grow into cities (just like Europe was a shanty once upon a time). I have respect for Africans, but no respect for the spoilt and illiterate Negroes Americans so lovingly call "African Americans".
Most minorities in the US play the race card at least once in a while but the blacks overdo it, granted.

I am not so sure of the part about not finding even "one two-storied house" part, maybe you should tone down the stormfront a bit.
We are not certain of the race of Ancient Egyptians (builders of Pyramids and stuff; note: 2+ levels high), they might be a race similar to present day Ethiopians and Somalians, which are close (genetically) to Central/South/West African races.

If we exclude the Great Egyptians, then you are right there is a scarcity of civilizations in the region, the only ones I can think of are Songhai empire, Mali Empire and Ashanti kingdom.

I will also note that ref: "At least they have a country". No they don't; most african countries have their borders drawn up in ridiculous ways by the colonial powers to encourage infighting and prevent moving up on the global stage.

And finally I completely agree that the Blacks in the US are just throwing away the opportunity they have and wasting it.
 

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Sshh Aztecs,Native Americans are not humans.:biggrin2::biggrin2::pound::pound::pound:

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On a serious note Hernan Cortez who conquered Mexico was a bastard and a complete thug. He did not even bath daily unlike the great Montezuma II.

It is on the blood of people like the Aztecas,native Americans upon which the western world has been built.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernán_Cortés
Yup, that Herman cortes guy was certified villain material.

Also note that not just the blood of the native americans but also ours.
The Industrial revolutions of the UK was made possible by systematic robbing of wealth and resources from subcontinent and elsewhere.
 

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We are exclusively talking about negros here and not africans. Libyans are africans as well, but they are not negroes.
Don't play that silly game of 'define' this and that. We can play those political correctness games all day. You know very well who and what a negro is. A black skin folk of Africa is a negro, the native people of Africa. Possibly the most ancient people.
Yes not all africans are black; additionally not all Sub-Saharans are black either.

The original inhabitants of southern Africa are the Khoisan people. They have brown skin and interestingly they don't look very much like what people generally have in mind when the say "negro."










Some of these pictures actually have a hint of "mongoloid." I wonder why....
 

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Yes not all africans are black; additionally not all Sub-Saharans are black either.

The original inhabitants of southern Africa are the Khoisan people. They have brown skin and interestingly they don't look very much like what people generally have in mind when the say "negro."










Some of these pictures actually have a hint of "mongoloid." I wonder why....
So what are their achievements ?
 

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First off I think we should not form stereotypes. While Indians did achieve a lot in the past our total contribution in science,philosophy and other fields are still negligible in comparison to whites. Forums like Ren and stormfront still bash and ridicule us on our racist views despite being of darker shades than whites.
Because the period between 700 AD - 1800 is a dark one, our scriptures got corrupted, foreign invasions, general lack of Scientific temper.

When Europe was making Universities, Mughals were making piece of shit Taj Mahal,which essentially is Morgue housing his dead wife.

Otherwise, Indians are known for Metallurgy, Architecture medicine etc.

This is our prowess 1000 years ago.

http://www.iitk.ac.in/infocell/Archive/dirnov1/iron_pillar.html

This is for 2015

India at 9

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ld-6-with-9-004-uspto-patents-for-2015.76064/

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/world-science-ranking-india-at-9.74953/
 

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So what are their achievements ?
Note Spikey's post to which I replied.

He implies, in that post, that Black=negro=most ancient; I was refuting this specific point.
It seems that one of the most ancient human races is not so black (negro) after all.

If you read my posts before, I already implied that the Sub-Saharans haven't achieved much in the way of civilizational splendour.
But then what is the point, the great Egyptians with their Pyramids are extinct relics, while these guys are still on.
 
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Ferguson, Baltimore and now this. There is a natural progression to this, and the movement grows bigger and bigger every time. This will eventually lead to a violent people's revolution, which might or might not win decisive victories against the might of the state but it will permanently discomfort the state, that is for sure. There are greater forces at play. Just let it happen, don't resist it.
Nobody should win and the tensions should go on.

They'll have to waste more resources maintaining internal stability.

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