Modi Sarkaar 2.0, Indian politics, Economy, Security and Foreign Policy

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  1. Hari Sud

    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Why the Congress Party Lost the Elections

    The Congress Party, a powerful organization loaded with cash and influence, however, lost the elections, because:

    1. An immature leader in Rahul Gandhi is at the helm. He possesses a mix of old pensioners and inexperienced operatives, as advisors,

    2. Excessive opposition to Hindu values (Hindutva). They failed to take into account that 83% of India is Hindu,

    3. Too much reliance on fake charges of corruption in Rafale deal, which did not stick,

    4. And finally, the false promise of farm loans made during three Hindi belt provincial elections could not be held.

    They failed to figure that the voters are proud of their Hindu heritage, whether they are Brahmin or Dalit or others, they are proud. In fact, Hindutva was making a dent in people’s mind after being dominated by Muslim and then the British for 900 years. Secularism in this election was taking a back seat. The Congress Party had early on realized this implication and tried to make Rahul Gandhi as Hindu, (although not true), but it did not stick. He stayed on a miss mash of Christian or Parsee heritage.

    Modi remained a favorite choice of the electorate, including half the Muslim base of 160 million (diehards excepted). Low grade writers in major Western publications like The Time (Aatish Taseer) or Michael Safi elsewhere had tried their best to run down Modi with anti Hindu rhetoric, again it did not stick. In fact anybody who became aware of their writings changed his mind and voted Modi.

    That is where left oriented Lutyenites including Shekhar Gupta also went awry. Over years they have been cultivated by the Congress Party and other left leaning urban groups against any change in government. They were happy with 50 years of the corruption filled Congress Party rule. They cared less that India has fallen too far behind China economically. They were happy to have secular India than prosperous India. This attitude of their’s was not working.

    Loosing elections in 2014 and then again in 2019 was guaranteed as they focused on false mind games of rural uplift, unfulfilled promises, corruption in the administration and excessive minority rights. Well, this formula failed and failed miserably. Minorities although they were a bit restrained during the election campaign felt that they will be better served by voting for the winning party, hence about half of them, especially the womenfolk voted for Modi.

    Finally, putting India’s enemies in their proper place during Doklam incident and Pulwama incident was long overdue. Time for sending the protest note was over. It was time to let them know that India means business and India has the power to back it up. Modi did that and succeeded.
     
  2. S.A.T.A

    S.A.T.A Senior Member Senior Member

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    Well regional parties did not draft the NEP, nor did they ask the govt to open the old canard of hindi chauvinism and provide them with the much needed ammo. The Govt brought this upon itself..
    Let's once and for all divest ourselves of the notion that unitary is the same as unity.
     
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  3. garg_bharat

    garg_bharat Senior Member Senior Member

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    Hari, the appeal of Hindutva has increased but not enough to win elections. Hindutva is no longer fringe; and my estimate is around 24% of total votes are Hindutva votes now.

    Mr Modi's execution has been his strong point. He has converted at least 10 crore non-Hindutva votes in this election. Some of it has been a result of constant campaign by Modi supporters or 'bhakts' as Press calls them. But most are due to social welfare schemes of Modi.

    A large amount of vote for BJP allies is also Hindutva vote or vote converted by Modi.

    Rahul G does not understand India. He is a European by education and by conditioning of his mind. He is influenced too much by wizardry. He does not have a direct connect with Indian masses, whether it is people in towns or people in villages. His close circle is too afraid to tell him the truth.
     
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    Modi won the election again because he understands his responsibility and decreases the inflation and In the coming years, Our India will change soon. For the more latest news, Visit here.
     
  5. here2where

    here2where Senior Member Senior Member

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    Well said.
    India is one country today due to the brief British rule in recent past, but lets not get fooled by that. Iran is nearer to Delhi than Thiruvananthapuram, capital of Kerala. Such vast distances bring vast differences in cultures and languages. Trying to force a 'national language' on people who have no need or use for such a language will result in revolts.

    Add to that the distinct history of the deep-south (Kerala and southern TN) which were never invaded by Delhi-based rulers. Those who think Tamils will accept Hindi do not understand their fiercely independent history. Talks of secession from the union will rise if foreign languages and cultures are forced upon us by Delhi-based governments.

    Our country is VERY diverse, yet VERY united. Lets leave it at that and concentrate on nation building.
     
  6. mayfair

    mayfair Elite Member Elite Member

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    Do read about Malik Ghafoor and what he did to Madurai. But you are right, invaders rarely ever ventured deep south, but that that didn't stop the likes of Nawab of Arcot (Nawab, is that even a Tamizh word?) from setting up a dynasty down there.

    Of course, Arabs showing up on Kerala shores and setting up mosques, families and peaceful populations didn't seem to be bothered by even more distinct histories.

    The problem lies equally with the dumeels who point fingers and scream "Hindi imposition" at every step, which has nothing to do with it, but think nothing about demanding that Karnataka install a Thiruvalluvar statue in Bangalore or paint "inspiring" graffitis on Bangalore streets.

    Of course, I forgot English and French are native to the soil, so is Hallejuah sollangu, while Tam Brahms are Pattar Aryan scum that need to be eliminated form the land.

    Wonder what about the 25-30% folks of Telugu origin who call TN their home.

    Our country is very diverse and very united and so shall it stay. Stop bringing this rubbish bogeyman time and time again.

    And India was always one nation, with many cultures, but the concept of Bharatvarsha existed long before British ever set foot on these lands.

    This is why Adi Shankaracharya travelled from Southern tip of India to Kashmir, where his temple lives on to this day, and unfortunately Sharda peethh temple needs to be liberated.

    This is why the holiest Shiva temples in India include Ekambaranatha-Kanchi, Thiruvanamalai, Thiruvanaikaval, Chidambram Natraja, Rameshwaram and others.

    Do read up how they align with the rest of holy sites in Southern, Cnetral and Northern India. They all lie in the same frigging longitude!!
     
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  7. Vijyes

    Vijyes Senior Member Senior Member

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    Importing weapons is not strengthening country. Technology is needed and has to be developed indigenously for buying arms. But Technology development is slower than economic development and hence one has to expect some lag in defence spending despite improving economy. Importing arms in haste is creating long term dependence on foreign whims and serious wastage of resources.

    What you people never say is that India must develop defence Technology before doing anything. Focusing on cheap issue like Art37, Art35A, Ram Mandir is like being penny wise pound foolish. The only thing needed is defence development and strong focus on strengthening infrastructure. Ram Mandir or Art370 can come any time. After all these are simple issue of building and few lines on a paper. But developing defence is acquiring knowledge which is 10000 times more complex and hence need more attention

    The internal and external enemies are the same and can't be taken care of independently of the other.
    Because Hindi imposition can have longer term effect than french. Hindi can eventually replace other language and permanently change the landscape. This is a big threat compared to French or other foreign language, which are only temporary and based on economic benefit.

    Hindi language is a language of lower quality people, filled with arabic & farsi words, has only 2 gender (third gender is absent), assigns gender to inanimate things like door, chair etc. Hindi is not Indian language but a product of Islamic invasion. Emphasis must be made on rejuvenating Sanskrit. Hindi is a NATIONAL SHAME and a memory of Islamic invasion just like the mosques and dargahs and must be erased completely, even from north India.

    As long as none explicitly campaigns on hindutva, there will be minimal hindutva vote. If one campaigns like jinnah, the dharmic vote will be 80+%. Instead of saying Hindutva has no vote, it is better to say that none is campaigning on Hindutva plank explicitly
     
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    Oh absolutely. I never spoke about imports.

    Technology development and economic development often go hand in hand, the richer we are, the more we can afford to spend on STEM and research.

    Typically, these are the first casualties of an economic downturn.
     
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    garg_bharat Senior Member Senior Member

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    No,

    Versions of Hindi existed far before Muslim invasions. The Khari boli of Meerut area is at least 3000 years old.

    The written language was Sanskrit before Muslim period. Versions of Hindi were spoken language. The Hindi language as we know today was formalized from spoken versions starting 1800s.

    I think this fighting on language is useless. People should be free to learn languages as they like.
     
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  10. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" = PKAKB Senior Member

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    Developing defense technology is not 5 year's job, it's basically up to scientists, govt can only allocate funds and create departments nothing else.

    Removal of Article 35A, 370 are related to integrity of the nation and are very important. If you develop missiles/5th gen aircraft and meanwhile separatists terrorists break up the nation then what would be the use of that technology ?
     
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    Then one has to wait till sufficient progress in Technology has been made before defence expenditure is raised.

    No, defence R&D is nit necessarily the furst expense to be axed in downturn. China face famines in 1962 and then cultural revolution in 1970. None if that stopped China from developing missile, nuclear bomb or other Technology. This is a wrong notion that defence will be axed in downturn and only works this way if there is external loans who pressure defence reduction as a condition or some other external pressure
    Hindi dud not exist long back. Several aspects which define Hindi but did not exist in past are-
    • Lack of napunsakling
    • Too many Muslim words
    • Giving gender to door, table etc
    If you can show me that the 3000 old language had only 2 gender, then we can talk further. Having only 2 gender and excluding the third gender makes hindi s foreign language outright. No Indian language ever had just 2 gender. It is illogical
     
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    The Technology is about capabilities to get results. The 5th gen plane will be used to wipe out separatists and their external allies.

    Removing article 370 or building Ran Nandir without having Technology will only result in taking more loss than necessary. Government again, can only write things on paper about orders to repeal Art370 or make Ram Mandir. Actual implementation will need capabilities on the ground.

    Bottom line- scientists are more important than government
     
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    Boss I am not getting your point. Can you give some examples.
    Some farsi or arabic words may be there in Hindi but kind of Hindi that I was taught in school had very few.
     
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    In addition to the above, I think one of the most important reason is that Sonia and especially Rahul Gandhi have made the congress behave like a loony leftist NGO. The crazy support to the JNU loonies, the constant questioning of surgical strikes including taking potshots at the forces was suicidal in nature. There may be a space for parties selling secularism but the space for a party aligning itself with India’s enemies and showing utter disregard for national security is very, very small. Once Rahul and the Congress went down that path, they completely took themselves out of the reckoning in the minds of anyone nationalistic. If you keep reducing the catchment area of prospective voters, your chance of success continues to reduce.
     
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    See,there are certain things which define a language. You change those things, they become a different language. The most important aspects are -
    1. Grammar and syntax
    2. Vocabulary

    Hindi Grammar-
    Hindi has grammar and syntax which lacks 3rd gender (napunsak) and hence gives gender to even inanimate objects like door, chair, shoes etc. This grammar and syntax style is directly derived from Arabic and Farsi. So, Hindi grammar can be said to be more influenced by Arabic & Farsi

    Hindi Vocabulary-
    Vocabulary of Hindi is quite crude and has a mix of both Sanskrit and Islamic words (Arabic & Farsi). This again shows that Hindi has had comparable influence of Sanskrit and Islamic language.

    Overall, hindi as more Islamic influence in terms of Islamic grammar and syntax and hence can be considered as 70% Islamic and 30% Hindu language.

    I don't understand how Hindi can ever be acceptable to self respecting Hindus.
     
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    You know what should be compulsory reading to get the idea of India as a separate entity is the book “India,: A Sacred Geography “ by Prof. Diana L. Eck. It completely demolishes the contention that India was a British construct etc. It argues that India is a core construct of Hinduism. Unfortunately for those who would have loved to dismiss it as right wing Hindu nonsense, Diana Eck happens to be a top scholar on religious studies and is a Professor at Harvard. Even Shashi Tharoor has used her work as reference..

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12063922-india

    Btw, if anyone is interested, her book on Banaras is equally scintillating.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/271500.Banaras

    Funnily, she answers the criticism that “Hindu nationalists” will use her work to show that their ideas are correct by admitting that she’s aware of that possibility but the truth is what it is.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" = PKAKB Senior Member

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    I see :hmm:

    I saw it again :hmm: :hail: Jai ho bhai aapke charan kahan hain ?
     
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    something big planning is going on, AS is continuously meeting since yesterday.

     
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    Violent peaceful Fuck the mods for not deleting my account . Senior Member

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    The shudh Hindi that is taught which is actual Hindi is quite different from what's spoken with varying degrees of difference according to regions, literally no one spoke Hindi or Sanskrit as it is , every region have dialects ,Rajasthani ,haryanvi,Punjabi,Himachali,Pahari,khadi boli etc
    The guy who is saying Hindi grammar is influenced by Arabic or Farsi should take his head out of islamic ass and then actually research about it.
    As for "islamic words" it's the dumbest argument ,the words are Persian ,arabic ,Turkic, Persians and Indians have mutual contacts since long long before a desert thief married a six year old ,there's a place in Iran called Nishapur(pronounced wrong) and also samarkhand in Uzbekistan, Kandahar(gandharva) etc , these Arabic ,Farsi words added in spoke Hindi(not the shuddh Hindi) are mostly the commonly used words which were used for conversation with the natives and as such are also easier to pronounce so replaced the original ones.
    The Hindi that normal people speak today has been forced on us via secularism of 70 yrs
    ,30 or so yrs ago everyone talked in their own regional language with good mix of shudh Hindi words now things have changed because of the "beautiful" language aka Urdu(Bollywood ,schools ,poetry,biggest culprit SONGS) ,Urdu was artificially assembled,
    Now Urdu was more than 85-90% Hindi with words added from Persian and Arabic to make it different from Kaffirs ,also the script in which it's written is borrowed from Persian and Arabic script and is actually not smooth but with abrupt jumps, literally nothing in the "language" Urdu is original ,not grammar ,not vocabulary ,not script ,for ex I start writing Hindi in Roman script Pak ki ma Ka b**** add in a few french words and start calling it different language.
    Now the porkis are gradually adding more and more Arabic ,Turkic words to make it more different and claim it as islamic.
    Same with paki Punjabi language it's script is different from the original Punjabi language.
    See Islam is a virus which infects and then takes over every aspect ,same thing is with music ,musical instruments for ex converts say Sufi music came from outside and originated in turkey ,yet Turks were nomads like Mongols with almost no culture also the Sufi music contains sa ,re ga ,ma ,pa etc also father of Indian music was tansen ,he used to sing outside temples for god , basically devotional music ,guess what we call it today yep Sufi music aka devotional music to Allah. Instruments like tabla are claimed by muzzies again proven wrong as they were found in cave paintings way way before Islam even came.
    Arabs also claim mathematics for themselves and many more things ,same is for Persians ,it's just that we are missing to stake claim on things like them .
    The desert thief's took over other cultures and starting claiming as their own ,also wheel is claimed to be European invention(not really) via Greeks who are considered father of European/white civilization after they INVADED and took over parts of Europe,(talk about slave mentality).
    History is a subject which everyone claims but nothing can be conclusively proved ,so I on SM stake claim on everything from wheel ,to number system to algebra to astronomy to physics etc
    Our inventions are plagiarised the most by Persians(I am not counting pakis).

    Now there's a video of ancient Persian language ,do listen to it and then come back here.
     
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    Sound of old Persian language ,listen to it ,also they pronounce sapt as haft . sapta Sindhu is written in Persian as hafta Hindu .
    Sanskrit number pronounciation and Persian are a copy.

    My other theory is during those times population was not that high so maybe the story about ANCIENT Persians being our own people who were sent their after losing "battle" of some kind (battle between brothers/princes) ,with time Persians genetically got mixed with other tribes way more compared to us.
    Persians also in general consider Indians as their cousins ,while they call pakis as "Arab wannabes".
     
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