Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

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  1. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    One open question to SF / SOF guys -

    How many of you get training / otherwise exposures at Himalayan Mountaineering Institute, Darjeeling, Nehru Mountaineering Institute, Uttarkashi, Institutes at Manali and Auli ?

    Do SF guys take part in mountaineering expeditions?
     
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    No sir, I mean all the units have same working uniform across ranks and services,though exceptions exist like Armoured guys wear Black fatigues. If one unit starts to wear a digital camo, would'nt they stand out among the crowd which wears woodland pattern? That's wat I was thinking.
    Now Dogra regt was seen with MARPAT woodland camo and rest of troops across regiments don't wear it. Would'nt it be awkward to have different units with different working uniforms? By Standardisation I meant a standard field uniform for all like we have now.
    Though I support having same uniform with different hues for different enivironments like Desert MARPAT for our forces deployed in arid regions and woodland MARPAT for those in humid regions.
     
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    rkhanna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Yes in theory there is standard kit. But for reality just look at our soldiers in Kashmir
     
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  4. Bhadra

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    Army chief’s new experiment — Major General is CEO of AK-203 rifle factory in Amethi
    Published July 5, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: THE PRINT

    http://idrw.org/category/india/ .

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    The central government has appointed a Major General of the Indian Army as chief executive officer (CEO) of the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Uttar Pradesh’s Amethi district, which will manufacture AK-203 assault rifles for the military under an Indo-Russia joint venture.

    Sources told The Print this is the first time in decades that a uniformed officer will head a factory which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board. The move, they said, is the brainchild of Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, and the government accepted it as an experiment. Major General Sanjeev Sengar has been appointed as CEO of the Korwa factory for a four-year period, and will head a team which will feature a few other serving officers.

    The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such factories.

    A significant venture

    When the joint venture, called the Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited, was formed earlier this year under the Make in India initiative, the idea was to have an Indian CEO from the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

    The OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the venture, Kalashnikov owns 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport owns 7.5 per cent.

    The Russian AK-203 rifle, chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47), is expected to meet the Indian Army’s requirement for 6.5 lakh assault rifles.

    This is in addition to the rifles ordered from US manufacturer SIG Sauer in January.

    The new guns will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System) rifles, which have been in use for over two decades.

    The three services are set to spend at least Rs 12,000 crore to equip their personnel with modern rifles and light machine guns.

    Incidentally, while every Indian soldier carries the INSAS rifle, the Army has a concept of sector stores, under which those operating in Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast are given AK-47s instead of the INSAS.

    http://idrw.org/army-chiefs-new-exp...f-ak-203-rifle-factory-in-amethi/#more-205032 .
     
  5. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    It was to happen, OFB asked for this move or rather compelled the govt to take this step and I hope that the this scourge in the form of IOFS is done away with slowly and gradually or even drastically by posting them to Arunachal Pradesh.

    The taste of pudding is in eating. And so far the pudding cooked by IOFS has been sour and even went poisonous when they created a deliberate massive deficiency of ammunition jeopardising Security of India.

    They all should start looking for forced pensionary discharge. Modi govt is going to reach them too. If Army commanders whose posts were attacked can be asked to go home why not IOFS when an accident occurs in ammunition produced in their factories.
     
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  6. Deathstar

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    Nice , let us see how it pans out , major general will definitely do a better job than a babu
     
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    I think there are a lot of feathers are going to be ruffled, unless the major general is very very very cool headed guy.

    But it’s in Indian army’s interest that this experiment succeeds.
     
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    Shityy labour unions will be a headache though
     
  9. Bhumihar

    Bhumihar Jako Rakhe Saiyan Mar Sake Na Koi Senior Member

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    These labour union have always been a headache at this point they must be terminated for the greater good.
    Hard times requires hard steps to be taken.

    These guys should be taken as an internal threat.
     
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    Labour unions can be managed, provided the management knows how to handle them. Keeping in mind all unions are not bad as they are projected to be, infact I am a proponent of this worker’s union concept.

    Can a major general who probably never had a case of insubordination in his life, handle the union. Union chaps do all sort s of things when they want to piss off somebody.

    One possibility can be to make sure it is a BJP backed union and not congress or communist backed union. Communist backed union will never want this experiment to succeed. With a BJP backed union, there is a chance for other avenues of negotiations.
     
  11. Knowitall

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    Will we get any optics with ak-203. I feel that we must get ourselves something like to the ratnik gear or those south Korean ones since we seem to be unable to standardise things here.
     
  12. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    You are absolutely right.

    I think it is in our genetic characteristics to weaken our security apparatus for gaining personal influence, power and status by any means including letting down those who manage the security structure. Conspiracies are more prominent in our narratives of social structures than wise judgemental temperaments.

    Otherwise why would Kautilya Arthashastra would be filled with advices to the king specifically as how to appoint and control his "Senapati" and other military commanders. Indian history is replete with the instances of conspiracies against the Military Commanders by the Council and Ministers of the king for example the Rajput, Sikh or Maratha history.

    India's MoD is a buzzing example today. There are all likelihood of this Major General facing lots of problems as the factory would be under OFB and Deptt of Defense Production. Unless they wish him success things are going to be difficult.

    I wish him the very best.
     
  13. MuzzleVelocity

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    Would an army man understand and know Quality Control in a factory? It seems like the job of Quality Experts
     
  14. ezsasa

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    CEO needs to manage man, material and output. quality control in an indirect association for CEO, there would be a GM in between.
    it's experimental anyways.
     
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    Its been 20 years since Kargil and the massive deficits in equipment identified 20 years ago are only now being filled (Artillery, MMRCA, rifles, BPJS, etc.). This state of affairs is pathetic.
     
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  16. Bhadra

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    Quality Control Organisation of MoD called DGQA is essentially a Services organisation headed by an Army Lt Gen with very many Brigs, Col and Lt Cols as quality Controllers and about more than 40 per cent civilian Officers.

    Another organisation that has not measured upto desired standards.
     
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    AK-203 sample by Shiv Aroor

     
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  18. I hope the Maj Gen kicks the OFB asses in their butts and ensures quality ! More importantly OFB heads should roll if there is any future AK203 malfunction .
     
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