Mil Mi-26T2 Halo vs Boeing CH47F Chinook

[noob101]

What about the Chinook? does it need five to fly it? Thats what i meant. How is Mil- 26 supposed to be a quick action ,nimble transport?

Cant agree more... There is no way that Mi 26 can do all the things that Chinooks do... even Mi26 lovers have to agree with me on this

 

[pmaitra]

Rostvertol Readies Upgraded Mi-26

Rostvertol Readies Upgraded Mi-26

By Maxim Pyadushkin
MOSCOW
AviationWeek

Russia is hoping upgrades to its Mi-26 heavy-lift helicopter that are now undergoing flight trials will help secure an Indian contract now out for competition.

The Mi-26T2 is up against Boeing's CH-47F Chinook in the effort to supply helicopters to the Indian air force. The order is expected to be for 15 rotorcraft.

The Mi-26T2 incorporates improvements based on the operational experience of the previous Mi-26 variants, as well as the new equipment, according to officials from Rostvertol. The Mi-26T2 prototype is equipped with a new glass cockpit that was revealed for the first time in 2005 at the Moscow air show. It features five multifunctional liquid crystal displays, two PS-7 control boxes and duplicate analogue instruments.

The navigation system includes a dual Navstar/Glonass system, inertial navigation and Doppler velocity sensor. The designers say this system will enable the helicopter to operate all over the globe and give it the opportunity to make instrument flights under international standards.

The expansive cockpit upgrade is designed to allow operators to fly the Mi-26T2 with far fewer personnel, with a reduction to two pilots and an external sling operator; earlier models required five crewmembers. As part of the modernization package, the sling operator can visually control the external load through a BTU-3 television system that shows the color image on the cockpit display. During night operations with external loads the crew can use the Transas TSL-1600 searchlight that also has an infrared illuminator to be used with night vision goggles.

The Mi-26T2 can carry up to 20 tons of payload either on external sling or in the cargo compartment. The helicopter has a maximum takeoff weight of 56 tons, cruise speed of 255 kph (160 mph.), static ceiling of 4,600 meters and a flight range of 800 km with standard fuel tanks.

The engine also is being enhanced. The new version is powered by a pair of modernized D-136-2 turboshafts developed by the Ukrainian companies Ivchenko-Progress and Motor Sich. The new turboshaft also features full-authority digital engine controls, as well as a contingency power mode of 12,500 hp for extreme operations above 30C. Maximum takeoff power has been increased by 250 shp to 11,650 shp. The new engine's power parameters will expand the helicopter's altitude and temperature flight envelope and enable it to continue horizontal flight even with one engine inoperative, say officials for the engine consortium.

The Mi-26T2 is competing against the Chinook in the Indian tender, which started in 2009. The Indian air force has some experience with the Russian heavy-lifters as they became the first foreign customer for the Mi-26. In the 1980s the Indian military purchased four rotorcraft of this type. One of them crashed during takeoff at Jammu airport in December 2010; the others are believed to be still in service.

Source: Rostvertol Readies Upgraded Mi-26

 

[pmaitra]

^^Mi 26 needs some five pilots for operating it. You think it is nimble?

First off, Mil-26 needs two pilots. The rest are members of the crew. Crew: Five– 2 pilots, 1 navigator, 1 flight engineer, 1 flight technician.

Second off, you are looking at the Mil-17 with MBRL pylons to double up in the gunship role.

What about the Chinook? does it need five to fly it? Thats what i meant. How is Mil- 26 supposed to be a quick action ,nimble transport?

Cant agree more... There is no way that Mi 26 can do all the things that Chinooks do... even Mi26 lovers have to agree with me on this

Ok guys, the new Mil-26T2 actually needs no more than a crew of 2 to fly. It is being pitted against the Chinook.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...rtol-readies-upgraded-mi-26-a.html#post464383

I was wondering whether we should have a Mil-26T2 vs CH-47F Chinook thread.

 

[pmaitra]

Mil Mi-26T2

Main performance:

Engine D-136
Power, hp 2 × 11 400
Takeoff mass, kg
normal 49 600
maximum 56 000


Empty weight, kg 28 600
Speed, km/h
maximum 295
cruising 255


Load lifting capacity, kg
in cargo cabin 20 000
on external sling 20 000


Ceiling, m
hovering (OGE) (not less) 1520
service (not less) 4600


Flight range, km
without extra fuel tanks 800
when fully refueled with 4 extra fuel tanks 1920


Cargo cabin overall dimensions, m: L×B×H 12,10×3,29×3,17

Source: http://www.rostvertolplc.ru/en/product/mi-26/version/mi-26t2/

 

[pmaitra]

 

[asianobserve]

The Mi26 is just too huge to be of tactical significance to the battlefield. Fuel consumption, very strong downwash, lower service ceiling, huge footprint - this helicopter is only good at one thing, carrying oversized (those that can no longer be accomodated by Chinook) loads.

It's like comparing An124 and C17, the latter would be more practical as it can double both as a strategic and tactical airlifeter while the former is confined to lifting oversized loads to hubs.

 

[trackwhack]

Why is this even a competition. The Mi 26 wins hands down. Some clown posted about a Chinook lifting another Chinook. I'm sorry but in Afghanistan the Mi 26 has lifted damaged Chinooks thrice so far. If another Chinook could do it, then why did it not?

Here is the video.


Lets give credit where credit is due. The Mi 26 is the most reliable, proven and the heaviest lift copter in the world. It outperforms the Chinook in every aspect. Only retards would go Chinook Chinook.

 

[asianobserve]

Why is this even a competition. The Mi 26 wins hands down. Some clown posted about a Chinook lifting another Chinook. I'm sorry but in Afghanistan the Mi 26 has lifted damaged Chinooks thrice so far. If another Chinook could do it, then why did it not?

Hahaha! So they used the Mi26 3 times in the entire Afghan war so far? It's a good thing the Americans did not waste money buying and maintaining these beasts when they can, well, rent. But care to educate us how many times the Americans used their Chinook in that campaign so far?

 

[asianobserve]

BTW, Russia is set to upgrade its entire Mi26 fleet to Mi26T standards, can this not be done to IAFs existing Mi26 fleet?

 

[pmaitra]

BTW, Russia is set to upgrade its entire Mi26 fleet to Mi26T standards, can this not be done to IAFs existing Mi26 fleet?

I believe it is Mi-26T2, that requires a crew of 2, instead of 5.

 

[pmaitra]

TrackWhack, you are right, however, our friend AsianObserve is an Americophile, if such a word exists. Pray, go a little easy on him.

 

[asianobserve]

TrackWhack, you are right, however, our friend AsianObserve is an Americophile, if such a word exists. Pray, go a little easy on him.

2 faces of a coin, and you're a Russophile my friend.

 

[pmaitra]

2 faces of a coin, and you're a Russophile my friend.

That I am, won't hide, won't deny.

 

[asianobserve]

I believe it is Mi-26T2, that requires a crew of 2, instead of 5.

Okay, how about upgrading IAF's 3 Mi2g helos to Mi26T2 standards?

 

[trackwhack]

Hahaha! So they used the Mi26 3 times in the entire Afghan war so far? It's a good thing the Americans did not waste money buying and maintaining these beasts when they can, well, rent. But care to educate us how many times the Americans used their Chinook in that campaign so far?

The americans used a chinook to lift another chinook zero times. comprande? or does simple reasoning skills dont work with you? three times the americans had an indisposed chinook and three times they had to call the russians for help. dont keep arguing just for the heck of it man. call a spade a spade if you want to retain some semblance of credibility in your arguments.

 

[asianobserve]

The americans used a chinook to lift another chinook zero times. comprande? or does simple reasoning skills dont work with you? three times the americans had an indisposed chinook and three times they had to call the russians for help. dont keep arguing just for the heck of it man. call a spade a spade if you want to retain some semblance of credibility in your arguments.

My friend were looking at the same lemon and having different conclusions. Maybe we should set up a common standards of valuing it. Is the IAF looking for purely heavy airlifter or multimission heavy lift helicopter? The Mi26 will win the former hands down (now we're on agreement) and the latter will have to go to the Chinook (this I doubt you will admit).

 

[trackwhack]

My friend were looking at the same lemon and having different conclusions. Maybe we should set up a common standards of valuing it. Is the IAF looking for purely heavy airlifter or multimission heavy lift helicopter? The Mi26 will win the former hands down (now we're on agreement) and the latter will have to go to the Chinook (this I doubt you will admit).

What the hell are you talking about. Both are heavy lift choppers. The Mi 26 wins on all counts. The mission could be equipment lift, troop lift, putting out fires or whatever the hell you come up with. The Mi 26 wins. Please state what you mean by multimission. Or are you just trying to pull a fast one by coming up with new words?

 

[asianobserve]

Multimission is a common term...

 

[pmaitra]

The only department where the Mil-26 could lose was with the need for a crew of 5. Now with Mil-26T2 that needs a crew of 2 only, even there Chinook has lost its advantage.

 

[trackwhack]

Multimission is a common term...

Yes it is - multi mission. Could mean a hundred different things. Define it with respect to heavy lift choppers and prove your claim that the Chinook is superior.