MH17 might have been shot down from air — chief Dutch investigator

[pmaitra]

And it did not read too. Already designers SAM Buk acknowledged that it was a missile "earth-air".@pmaitra
proves otherwise.

See my previous post. So, Almaz-Antey did not acknowledge it was a "earth-air" missile. All they said that if it was shot down by a missile, it would be 9M38M1 missile fired from a BUK-M1 system. So, yes, I did prove otherwise.

Therefore, you deduce that the nature of the lesion could do little R-60M? Look, I'm not interested to argue with you. Soviet sausage was disgusting taste (by the way - modern cheap sausage, too). But you will say that it was tasty and you believe this.

That R-60M was an analysis by Saker. Even Saker did not claim anything. He gave a possibility. He even said "I believe . . ."

Have you noticed that in my post I have given links to the original article and have also named the author?

 

[Akim]

That R-60M was an analysis by Saker. Even Saker did not claim anything. He gave a possibility. He even said "I believe . . ."

Have you noticed that in my post I have given links to the original article and have also named the author?

So I don't read such nonsense. If you want to prove that the Buk missile was fired from the Ukrainian side - let them create the international Tribunal.

 

[pmaitra]

So I don't read such nonsense. If you want to prove that the Buk missile was fired from the Ukrainian side - let them create the international Tribunal.

Well, it was you who cited Almaz-Antey, and I used that very citation to prove you wrong.

Tribunal? When a possible guilty party, i.e. the Kiev Regime, is withholding information, and couple of NATO countries, UK and Netherlands are complicit in this withholding of information? What are they trying to hide?

Let's have a tribunal. Let's just say Nuland's Boy and the chocolate seller shot it down, and be done with with. No need for proof, and that seems to be your style, anyway; or is it only when it is in your own way?

 

[Akim]

Well, it was you who cited Almaz-Antey, and I used that very citation to prove you wrong.

Tribunal? When a possible guilty party, i.e. the Kiev Regime, is withholding information, and couple of NATO countries, UK and Netherlands are complicit in this withholding of information? What are they trying to hide?

Let's have a tribunal. Let's just say Nuland's Boy and the chocolate seller shot it down, and be done with with. No need for proof, and that seems to be your style, anyway; or is it only when it is in your own way?

Well, of course. All to blame, except Russia.)))

 

[pmaitra]

Well, of course. All to blame, except Russia.)))

Why blame Russia? They didn't shoot it down. As a matter of fact, there is ZERO evidence that it was a SAM.

Facts:

• The fuselage had 30 mm bullet holes.
• A Sukhoi-25 has Gryazev-Shipunov 30 mm cannon.
• The MH-17 was diverted by the Kiev regime's ATC and made to fly into the war zone.
• The Kiev regime refuses to disclose ATC communications.
• The Kiev regime's ATC asked the MH-17 to lower its altitude to 10,000 m.
• The Sukhoi-25 can fly at 10,000 m for short durations, but Gerogian/Israeli modified Sukhoi-25 can fly at 10,000 m for longer duration. Ukraine had, and now the Kiev regime has in its possession such Sukhoi-25s.
• There is no video or eye-witness of a missile smoke plume to indicate a SAM.
• NATO member UK, and backer of the Kiev regime, refuses to reveal the contents of the Black Box.
• NATO member Netherlands, and backer of the Kiev regime, refuses to reveal their investigations.

Conclusion:

• This is evidence, if not proof, that the MH-17 was shot down by a Kiev regime's Sukhoi-25 at a height of about 10,000 m, and at least some NATO countries are trying to cover it up.

 

[Akim]

@pmaitra,

Tell me. Why are you trying to prove to me? Only to satisfy his moral ego? I do not participate in the debate nor the Russian-speaking forums, not here. I forums need to expand the horizons. In this thread you useless to me.
You probably even your VW Golf can not be repaired? To fix CEE? To restore electric steam iron? Replace the siphon flushing toilet in?

 

[pmaitra]

@pmaitra,

Tell me. Why are you trying to prove to me? Only to satisfy his moral ego? I do not participate in the debate nor the Russian-speaking forums, not here. I forums need to expand the horizons. In this thread you useless to me.
You probably even your VW Golf can not be repaired? To fix CEE? To restore electric steam iron? Replace the siphon flushing toilet in?

Forget about my VW Golf. Your chocolate seller is playing golf with your economy.

See this: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/civil-war-in-ukraine.61895/page-770#post-1070669

Soon, it will be time to go back to Russia and beg.

 

[pmaitra]

An interesting comment on the article posted earlier on this post:


AMHants • 5 days ago
MH 17 Cover Up Blasted Open by New Video, So much to hide Updated... http://www.veteranstoday.com/2...

MH17 Downed by Israeli Python A2A Missile?... https://deepresource.wordpress...

The MH17 Cover-Up: Paul Joseph Watson on the Savage Nation... http://www.prisonplanet.com/th...

So many questions and so few answers.

1) Why is Ukraine demanding total secrecy and why are the Netherlands, Australia and now Malaysia agreeing to go along with it?
2) Why did Ukraine send the airoplane through a war zone?
3) Why did Germany not wish to release evidence of knowing that it was dangerous to fly through warzones (German non-profit media court case, Germany had to provide the media with the information).
4) Why did Ukraine order the plane to lower it's height to the ceiling zone of a SU25?
5) Why did Ukraine confiscate the air traffic control tapes?
6) Why is there no autopsy report on the pilots?
7) Why is there no forensic report on the shrapnel fragments in the entry/exit holes, thus proving what type of missile took the MH17 down?
8) Why did the BBC delete their video, with witness statements, the following day (mentioning other military jets escorting the MH17)
9) Why did Kolomoisky, (boss of Boy Biden, Vice President Joe Biden's son and also the boss of USA Secretary of State John Kerry's, step-son Christopher Heinz) who controlled Ukraine air space, state that they were sorry the wrong plane was taken down. Putin was due around that time, coming home from the successful BRICS summit and also Prime Minister Modi was flying a similar flight path and not far behind the MH17.

Kolomoysky: Sorry about the MH17 – but it is a trifle – ENG SUBS...

 

[Akim]

Thanks. That is what I wanted to know. Some questions, not to you in particular, but in general: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-dutch-investigator.64465/page-8#post-1071353

You're trying to convince yourself of the variety of versions?

 

[pmaitra]

You're trying to convince yourself of the variety of versions?

Nope. I am not trying. I am convinced that it was shot down by a Sukhoi-25. I have been so convinced a year ago when I saw those 30 mm bullet holes which reminded me of Gryazev-Shipunov 30 mm cannon mounted on the Sukhoi-25.

 

[Akim]

Nope. I am not trying. I am convinced that it was shot down by a Sukhoi-25. I have been so convinced a year ago when I saw those 30 mm bullet holes which reminded me of Gryazev-Shipunov 30 mm cannon mounted on the Sukhoi-25.

OK. Do you know about Ukrainian super upgrade when the attack-craft becomes a fighter. And a bullet from GSH-30 keep under you pillow?

 

[pmaitra]

OK. Do you know about Ukrainian super upgrade when the attack-craft becomes a fighter. And a bullet from GSH-30 keep under you pillow?

"Do you know . . .?" Yes. More than you are willing to admit.

 

[Akim]

"Do you know . . .?" Yes. More than you are willing to admit.

Stupidity has no limit.
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[blue marlin]

i think that urkraine shot down the mh17. whilst the mh17 was in the air an Ukrainian air force jet was too in the same vicinity. after mh17 was of radar later on the fighter pilot landed with a missile less before taking of and was visibly shaken. also russia was willing to prove that they did not shoot down the jet by testing their missile against a jet.

 

[apple]

A blog on the publication of the Dutch report. The report somewhat, massively unsurprisingly, totally disagrees with what the starter of this thread claimed it would say

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/oct/13/mh17-crash-report-ukraine-live-updates

 

[SajeevJino]

Hi @pmaitra sir .. are you still believing that the MH 17 was shot downed by a Ukrainian Su 25

 

[pmaitra]

Hi @pmaitra sir .. are you still believing that the MH 17 was shot downed by a Ukrainian Su 25

Yes, as I said, I have seen no evidence that proves that those holes were caused only by shrapnel. This investigation is inconclusive at best. I am also suspicious about the investigators' freedom to conduct the investigations when the British government have refused to reveal the contents of the Black Box. Why are they hiding it? Don't they have freedom of speech in Britain? If they are so confident that the Kiev regime is innocent, let them reveal the truth, and make the Black Box contents public.

 

[SajeevJino]

Okay @pmaitra sir ... thanks for the reply ..

 

[pmaitra]

Okay @pmaitra sir ... thanks for the reply ..

You are being modest, Sir. I was just helping myself earn my 50 kopecks.

 

[Yumdoot]

The quick brown fox jumps over the little lazy dog.