Maturity or Deception? China for no-first-use of atomic weapons

[s002wjh]

Truth is a non-sugar coated pill. isn't it?.

what i mean is SCS was disputed area since long long times ago. all the country involve are harassing each other. the only time china has been assertive is after 2008-2010. but since then they change their policy regarding SCS. they know if they keep pushing it, ASEAN will just go toward US. so they try to solve it through diplamacy and softpower, throw alot $$$ toward ASEAN etc.

 

[satish007]

1. China is not mad enough to nuke US first
2. China is not mad enough to nuke Russia first who is waaaay madder than China
3. Who worth China nuke them first? India? India still has long way to be ,not even close now. China might be mad you can not image, but they are not stupid.
what's problem between China and India? just a small place without any resource but monk.
but I have to admit India is good target let China use nuke first becuase even India was nuked by China and just 2 survived, the two still need to vote if india need to nuke back.

 

[utubekhiladi]

what i mean is SCS was disputed area since long long times ago. all the country involve are harassing each other. the only time china has been assertive is after 2008-2010. but since then they change their policy regarding SCS. they know if they keep pushing it, ASEAN will just go toward US. so they try to solve it through diplamacy and softpower, throw alot $$$ toward ASEAN etc.

are you trying to hide the beast called "truth" in your underwear

 

[Yusuf]

China will use nuclear weapons if it's getting beaten by the US over Taiwan. It's possible. I don't think China will use nuclear weapons against India, not in a pre-emotive first strike. It has much to lose.

But I think even India would shed its no first use policy if Chinese forced somehow manage to reach the plains of Assam. So yes, the same applies to China.

Someone said that China could be planning a conventional war and may want to set the rules or at least try to. Which means using force in any of it's disputes in South China Sea. Which means that it will probably target US forces in Japan and South Korea in the event of any US involvement in South China Sea and fears a nuclear response from the US.

 

[s002wjh]

china will not use Nuke over taiwan. its sucide, the only way china will ever use nuke is if china are invade by foreign country or all their nuke are target or suffer enormous civilian death. and not just border invade but a full scale invasion. hence non first use suit their need, since i doubt any country will do that to china in a limited SCS/taiwan conflict

US is more than capable to destroy chinese navy in SCS. although decade of chinese military upgrade make a little bit harder than before. military confrontation between US and china just too small, whether is taiwan or SCS. china has too much too lose and not much to gain by force the issue on taiwan/SCS, thats why it go for softpower. recent warming relationship between china/taiwan indicate this, by throwing $$$ to taiwan, allow taiwan investment, and economic ties between them etc, which force taiwan to become VERY dependent on china.

 

[Yusuf]

china will not use Nuke over taiwan. its sucide, the only way china will ever use nuke is if china are invade by foreign country or all their nuke are target or suffer enormous civilian death. and not just border invade but a full scale invasion. hence non first use suit their need, since i doubt any country will do that to china in a limited SCS/taiwan conflict

US is more than capable to destroy chinese navy in SCS. although decade of chinese military upgrade make a little bit harder than before. military confrontation between US and china just too small, whether is taiwan or SCS. china has too much too lose and not much to gain by force the issue on taiwan/SCS, thats why it go for softpower. recent warming relationship between china/taiwan indicate this, by throwing $$$ to taiwan, allow taiwan investment, and economic ties between them etc, which force taiwan to become VERY dependent on china.

Off course not. China will not initiate a nuclear war over Taiwan at the outset. But consider this, half hour fleet has been destroyed by USN in a war in SCS. Add to that Shanghai port has been destroyed. Shanghai itself has been bombed and the people of China are rising up against the CPC and PLA.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Obviously nukes kick in a situation when you are almost dead. I would call it, "Hum to dubenge sanam tumhe bhi le dubenge" situation.

 

[s002wjh]

Off course not. China will not initiate a nuclear war over Taiwan at the outset. But consider this, half hour fleet has been destroyed by USN in a war in SCS. Add to that Shanghai port has been destroyed. Shanghai itself has been bombed and the people of China are rising up against the CPC and PLA.

i doubt US will bomb high density civilian area such as shanghai, it doesn't serve any purpose. the purpose of SCS is a limited war, which force china to back down in SCS. in this scenario US likely send in CVBG not to attack chinese navy but a show of force, similiar to 96 taiwan. its not in the intrest of US to escalate the conflict higher than already is, if war ever happen. by directly bomb major cities in china, this escalte into a much bigger war, and thats not the goal of SCS/taiwan conflict. the goal is to stop china invasion of taiwan by intimate or sink chinese invasion force. for SCS, US will show of force if it come to that, and depend if china back down or not, the war will stay in SCS, some kind embargo will be placed if there is a war. but no direct attack on china mainland will occur. both taiwan/SCS will be a naval war.

 

[ice berg]

Off course not. China will not initiate a nuclear war over Taiwan at the outset. But consider this, half hour fleet has been destroyed by USN in a war in SCS. Add to that Shanghai port has been destroyed. Shanghai itself has been bombed and the people of China are rising up against the CPC and PLA.

So US participated a war in SCS by destroy Shanghai port and bomb the city it-self. (Wtf)

Then chinese ppl rising up on the ashes of the city against CCP in the middle of that?
Good stuff you smoking there, son.

Even if you make up stories, put at least some effort there.

 

[rock127]

Conventional border war in two fronts with India

China can also be surrounded by Vietnam and Philippines in a 3 front war plus US in background not included.There seems to be lot of internal problems going on In China and it might start a war to divert attention like in 62.

 

[rock127]

Ugh! Typical "immaturity". China has had 13000KM ICBM's since 1971. Your 5000km missile which has just been tested for the first time shouldn't make you so cocky, considering that even your warheads are no where near as powerful as Chinese warheads and are more comparable to Pakistan's...

We were the first to propose and implement a no-first-use policy in 1964 when we first got an A bomb, its nothing new, just a proposal to follow the Chinese model and almost guarantee a "no nuclear fallout" future for this planet.

And if you don't see the benefits of all nuclear countries implementing a no-first-use policy, then you're as childish as you sound.

FIRST go and teach your illegal adopted terrorist kid as it's the ONLY one threatening to use nukes all the time.You are the one who gave them missiles and nukes so don't try to be angel of peace when you nourished the evil kid.

 

[rock127]

In last few Months China has got so many negatives happening
that have hurt their image

Just have a look

The Tibetan Monks Setting Themselves on Fire ; Xinjiang Ugyhirs fighting with the Hans ;
Chinese Bullying its neighbours in the SCS ; STEALING other Countries Natural resources
Crushing its OWN Dissidents and Villagers

China's image has been permanently damaged

Nothing can repair it

China can TAKE back this announcement
Nobody will even notice

Add more into it like the cases of Bo Xilai , Chen Guangcheng etc...

China is suffering from lot of internal disturbances and can start a war to divert attention(like in 62)

 

[Razor]

PRC's NFU policy was originally intended for the USA and the USSR. It was a natural reaction.

Points:
1. China had a massive population in comparison to the the USSR and the USA.
2. Chinese nukes were no where near as powerful or accurate as the Soviets or Americans

As a consequence of Point #1, PRC knew that any first strike on the PRC would be devastating and from point #2, PRC knew that any first strike by the PRC on the superpowers would not be as effective.
So it was only natural that the PRC acted all saintly saying "Hey guys, nukes are bad and we re saints with an NFU policy, you guys should also adopt it ". But unlike our beloved Nehru, the USA and the USSR did not give a lonely sh!t about the PRC's NFU.

And the present reiteration of the policy, is just an attempt to show that China is a good guy. But when the war comes, they wouldn't give a flying f--- about these policies, especially when their territorial integrity comes under attack.

 

[no smoking]

Off course not. China will not initiate a nuclear war over Taiwan at the outset. But consider this, half hour fleet has been destroyed by USN in a war in SCS.

Well, CCP was ready to lose half of China and 75% of its best army combat groups in a conventional war against USSR. Even in such scenario, nuclear is still the last option to be considered. Do you really believe that China will sacrifice the whole country for taiwan.
Lose a conventional war is not the end of world. Nuclear war? There is no chance for China to survive.

At least, CCP leaders are not the fan boys like you.

Add to that Shanghai port has been destroyed. Shanghai itself has been bombed

So what? China has enough missile to cover US's military base in Aisa with conventional war head.

and the people of China are rising up against the CPC and PLA.

There maybe lots of things the pople of chna will rise against CPC and PLA, but being defeated by US in Taiwan is definitedly not one of them. No one asks PLA to beat USA on Taiwan in next 20 years.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No personal attacks .....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

China cannot nuke Tiawan coz the fall out will be over China itself..