Massive Protest in Hong Kong against China

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Students lead mass protest against patriotism classes in Hong Kong
Phayul[Monday, July 30, 2012 10:18]


In a sign of growing discontent in Hong Kong over China's increasing influence, tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets Sunday to protest the introduction of controversial Chinese patriotism classes.

90,000 protesters, led by stroller-pushing parents and young students, marched to the Hong Kong government's headquarters rejecting Beijing's national education lessons as a bid to brainwash children with Chinese propaganda.


Authorities have encouraged schools to introduce the new curriculum when classes resume in September while remaining firm with plans to make the subject compulsory in primary schools starting in 2015.

The controversy flared up after a teaching booklet called "The China Model," which extolled the virtues of China's one-party system, was sent to local schools in recent weeks.

Protesting parents called Beijing's attempt "blatant brainwashing" aimed at introducing mainland agenda in Hong Kong schools.

"Currently the curriculum makes no mention about issues like the Tiananmen Square crackdown or who is (Chinese dissident) Ai Weiwei, so we are not convinced it can encourage independent thinking," a student at the demonstration was quoted as saying by AP.

The government has said the subject is aimed at building Chinese national pride.

A poll released by the University of Hong Kong last month showed the number of people in the former British colony identifying themselves as citizens of China had plunged to a 13-year-low. More identified themselves as Hong Kongers.

On July 1, tens of thousands of people protested over the city's new leader, Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying, who is seen as having close ties to the Communist Party. President Hu Jintao had also attended the swearing-in ceremony.

Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997 as a semi-autonomous territory with its own political and legal system that guarantees civil liberties not seen on the mainland, including freedom of speech and association.

Hong Kongers have increasingly shown their anger over stunted democratic development. Beijing has pledged that Hong Kong can elect its own leader in 2017 and all legislators by 2020, though no roadmap has been laid out.

Students lead mass protest against patriotism classes in Hong Kong - www.phayul.com
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Hong Kong furious at Beijing's 're-education' push

HONG KONG: Tens of thousands of protesters paraded through Hong Kong on Sunday, waving placards denouncing ''brainwashing'' by China's Communist Party and demanding that plans for ''national education'' courses in local schools be scrapped.

The protest, organised by teacher, parent and student groups as well as political groups hostile to Beijing's one-party system, demonstrated deep opposition to the introduction of classes that aim to increase knowledge of and attachment to China in the former British colony.

China regained sovereignty over Hong Kong 15 year ago. It granted the metropolis a strong degree of autonomy, but it has grown frustrated that many Hong Kong residents do not identify much with the rest of China, which has been under Communist rule since 1949.

Hong Kong is increasingly dependent economically on mainland China, but a recent opinion poll by Hong Kong University found that residents now have less trust in the central government than at any time since the 1997 handover.


'No brainwashing'' ... a child's protest badge says.

In an effort to narrow the gap, which has led to ugly outbursts of insulting rhetoric and occasional clashes, the Hong Kong government wants students to learn more about their mainland Chinese brethren. It has proposed courses to instruct pupils about China's political system, geography and history, and the correct etiquette for raising the national flag.

Sunday's protesters decried this as brainwashing. Some say the classes are a symptom of life under the city's new, pro-Beijing chief executive, Leung Chun-ying.

An adjunct professor of history at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, Willy Wo-Lap Lam, said the textbooks to be used gave a ''very crude patriotic, nationalistic propaganda''. The movement against the national education courses reflected distrust of Mr Leung's administration, he said.

Protest placards borrowed lyrics from Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall: ''We don't need no thought control "¦ leave those kids alone.'' Families waved a poster reading: ''Our previous generations came here to escape the Communist Party, don't let the next generation return to the grip of the demon.''
''I'm Chinese but China is not the Communist Party,'' said Cyrus Chan, 16, a student in a Catholic high school. He said he joined the protest because he thinks national education will be political indoctrination focused on the party's achievements, and blind to catastrophes that claimed tens of millions of lives in the 1950s and 1960s.

''Germans are taught about Nazi crimes. They know what happened. In China, students only learn how to praise the party,'' he said.
Hong Kong officials deny that the courses - due to start in primary schools this year and secondary schools next year - will mimic ''patriotic education'' teaching on the mainland, which instils fervent nationalism rooted in a deep sense of victimhood.

''Brainwashing is against Hong Kong's core values. We would not support or accept that,'' Hong Kong's Education Secretary, Eddie Ng, said on Saturday.
National education was first proposed for Hong Kong in 2010 and prompted a storm of protest. Fury flared again recently after the publication of a government-funded textbook, The China Model.

The text, prepared by a pro-Beijing organisation, describes the Communist Party as ''selfless and united'', an indispensable agent for stability and success.
The chairman of the China Civic Education Promotion Association of Hong Kong, a pro-China group, stirred up more anger on Saturday by suggesting that Hong Kong residents needed ''brainwashing''.
''If there are problems with the brain, then it needs to be washed, just as clothes need washing if they are dirty, and kidneys need dialysis if they are sick,'' Jiang Yudui said.
Police said that 19,000 people had marched in the blistering sun from Victoria Park to the Hong Kong government's main office complex on Sunday, but the crowd appeared much larger. Organisers said there were more than 90,000 marchers.
Only a handful of people showed up to argue that Hong Kong needed to learn more about the country to which it now belongs.
''Don't be British devils, support national education,'' screamed a lone pro-China activist through a megaphone.

Hong Kong furious at Beijing's 're-education' push
Notwithstanding the vociferous protestation of our Chinese members that there is no 'brainwashing' in China, this protest clearly shows that there is and the Hong Kongers who have seen freedom are not ready to become robots or cripples or sell their brains to the Communist satraps.

Nationalism cannot be ordered.

It has to grow.

The Chinese Communist have underestimated the Hong Kong people and taken to be as robotic as the Mainlanders!
 

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Extracts from Al Jazeera

"As a parent, I'm very angry, this is a blatant brainwashing," mother-of-three Sandra Wong said as she marched in the sweltering heat accompanied by her husband and pushing her two-year-old daughter in a stroller.

"The curriculum only paints a rosy picture about the Communist Party... This is just an attempt to introduce the mainland agenda in Hong Kong schools.
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It has its own political and legal system that guarantees civil liberties not seen in China, including freedom of speech and association, but its chief executive is elected through a "small-circle" election that excludes many would-be voters.

Citizenship rejected

A poll released by the University of Hong Kong last month showed the number of people in Hong Kong identifying themselves as citizens of China had plunged to a 13-year-low. More identified themselves as Hong Kongers.

Rejecting the brainwashing claims, the government has vowed to push ahead with the plan, although it announced the formation of a special committee to monitor the implementation of the subject following the mass protest.

The committee will ensure the subject is taught in a way "to educate our students to have independent thinking, to be able to analyse situations and come to an objective judgment", Carrie Lam, the chief secretary, told reporters.
Hong Kong protests China 'patriotism' classes - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

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What irony. Brainwash the people and state that this brainwashing is "to educate our students to have independent thinking, to be able to analyse situations and come to an objective judgment".

The Mainland Communist logic is so ludicrous and silly!
 

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not sure whats the big deal. here in US, we teach our kids the value of our history, government etc etc there is a difference between education and pure propaganda.
 

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I presume the big deal is that in the US one is taught history.

In China, one is taught ideology with historical truths and myths.

For instance, when Mao was alive, the Chinese history books never faulted him or his policies. He was a great hero as per the history books and official publications.

However, when he died and was not on the scene, Deng propagated that Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong and it became the history.

One cannot have flip flops in history.

The fault lines are immediately recognised.

However, in a totalitarian regime, one cannot air one's views without inviting strong official reaction that can be unpleasant.

However, in Hong Kong which is semi autonomous and where the legal system is beyond Govt control to a great extent, the real truth cannot be hidden, nor can protests be stifled as it can be done in Mainland China like the one in Tienanmen Square.

After Tienanmen, who will dare protest?
 
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China's Young and Restless Could Test Legal System

When massive protests erupted in early July in the city of Shifang in southwestern China's Sichuan province, one banner spoke volumes about both the increasingly assertive environmental activism movement in China and the youth of many of its participants: "Unite to protect the environment for the next generation."

China's Young and Restless Could Test Legal System - China Real Time Report - WSJ
Read more about the Shifang protest at this link given above.

With money power and more rights to visit foreign nations for education etc, the Chinese are realising that how stifled and suffocated they are as a people.

This is finding expression through activists (may even be encouraged by foreign organisations, who knows?) to oppose the Govt policies.

Environment is an safe way to protest, since it does not indicate any disgust towards the Communist Party as an entity.

However, it is just a start and testing of the waters.

With the Hong Kong protests (I don't find it in the official English Chinese Communist papers; maybe I missed it) news trickling in by word of mouth to the Mainland, the situation will go bad to worse for Communist Chinese party and it can lead to chaos.
 

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tibet turkestan and now hongkong. internally china have these three restive zone. outside its world annoyed by him. all the best.
 

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We must not forget Inner Mongolia.

The Hans have made Mongols a minority in their area!
 

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Isn't it suprising that Nemo is not here leading the Chinese Brigade?

I am sure she feels all this is bogus anti China propaganda.

I believe the Hong Kong people are Chinese, right?

So, why are they so furious about the Fatherland trying to teach them the good things of life and start doing Hup, two, three, four?
 

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tibet turkestan and now hongkong. internally china have these three restive zone. outside its world annoyed by him. all the best.
people show their consers by going down streets means hong kong is a restive zone??? u ever seen some guys from hong kong bomb some trains or send some 10 guys to gun down some 200 people in shanghai??
 

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people show their consers by going down streets means hong kong is a restive zone??? u ever seen some guys from hong kong bomb some trains or send some 10 guys to gun down some 200 people in shanghai??
Thats because the Pakistan is China's ally.
Their relationship is deeper than Ocean and Higher than Seas. :D
No terrorist sneak into your country to gun down people.

Doesn't this brainwashing concern you? Or are you already too brainwashed to see the difference?
 

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people show their consers by going down streets means hong kong is a restive zone??? u ever seen some guys from hong kong bomb some trains or send some 10 guys to gun down some 200 people in shanghai??
Hong Kong has trains?

Where there is Taliban/ Muslim influence, there will be bombs. They are angry people. Bombs are there in Xinjaing but not in Tibet, And in Tibet, people are also angry. So, the use of bombs is a cultural thing!

In a totalitarian regime can there be protests?

Could anything like this happen during Mao's time?

Even when capitalism was becoming China's staple, having discarded Communism, protests started happening but the police brought it under control with repressive measures. In Tibet, they used the Army! And also in the Tienanmen Square where tanks were used.

In Hong Kong, the Police did not dare to lift a finger!

They (the Police) too must be fed up with the Communist crap!

Those who have tasted freedom will never agree to be ideological slaves and robots! Like the Hong Kong people.

They will fight every inch to preserve their sanity and independent logic dictated by their brains that is not sold to the Communist pettiness!
 
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Thats because the Pakistan is China's ally.
Their relationship is deeper than Ocean and Higher than Seas. :D
No terrorist sneak into your country to gun down people.

Doesn't this brainwashing concern you? Or are you already too brainwashed to see the difference?
there r terrorists who murder people of which some r frequently getting their asses in and out from prcs territory but prc doesnt balme others for that....we advocate cooperations between countries to wipe out those sub humans....and have u seen the difference here???i have though....

for indians ....even pakistan is no longer there your hindu muslim conflict will go on.....the concept of putting irrelevent people into 1 nation by a foreinger power aka the uk is problemetic in the 1st place....
 

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Hong Kong has trains?

Where there is Taliban/ Muslim influence, there will be bombs. They are angry people. Bombs are there in Xinjaing but not in Tibet, And in Tibet, people are also angry. So, the use of bombs is a cultural thing!

In a totalitarian regime can there be protests?

Could anything like this happen during Mao's time?

Even when capitalism was becoming China's staple, having discarded Communism, protests started happening but the police brought it under control with repressive measures. In Tibet, they used the Army! And also in the Tienanmen Square where tanks were used.

In Hong Kong, the Police did not dare to lift a finger!

They (the Police) too must be fed up with the Communist crap!

Those who have tasted freedom will never agree to be ideological slaves and robots! Like the Hong Kong people.

They will fight every inch to preserve their sanity and independent logic dictated by their brains that is not sold to the Communist pettiness!
hong kong doesnt have trains??no they dont.....and they keep suffering power shotages and got whole city blackout the other day......

and muslims lead to bombs???why i havnt seen too much in kuwait and qatar.....r thry not pure enough to be called muslim countries???

yes chinese people blame cpc gov for CR and 6 4 while cpc refuses to accept the fact that 6 4 is a huge mistake...people do konw that but so???how is that related to separists??? i ve said......soscialism is like colonisim....u got pros and cons......if u only got cons the gov is already toppled.....
 

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there r terrorists who murder people of which some r frequently getting their asses in and out from prcs territory but prc doesnt balme others for that....we advocate cooperations between countries to wipe out those sub humans....and have u seen the difference here???i have though....
for indians ....even pakistan is no longer there your hindu muslim conflict will go on.....the concept of putting irrelevent people into 1 nation by a foreinger power aka the uk is problemetic in the 1st place....

Yes, I can see a lot of Chinese cooperation with Phillippines, Japan, Korea, VN for Islands.
Do you really know about Pakistan??? Are you aware of Osama Bin Laden?? If not, then stop wasting your time.

You haven't answered my question.

Doesn't this brainwashing concern you? Or are you already too brainwashed to see the difference?
 

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what brainwash??specificly.....by brits???

so that the whole sub contient having propblem with india???even bangladsh with which u fought a war with pakistan???
 
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hong kong doesnt have trains??no they dont.....and they keep suffering power shotages and got whole city blackout the other day......
Did they?

In India, we had a huge power failure basically because of poor policy and since cheap Chinese equipment they bought to cut costs failed miserably. That is what happens when you want to go for cheap stuff!

and muslims lead to bombs???why i havnt seen too much in kuwait and qatar.....r thry not pure enough to be called muslim countries???
Because the control the terrorists. The Islamic terrorists depend on Arab money!

yes chinese people blame cpc gov for CR and 6 4 while cpc refuses to accept the fact that 6 4 is a huge mistake...people do konw that but so???how is that related to separists??? i ve said......soscialism is like colonisim....u got pros and cons......if u only got cons the gov is already toppled.....
I am sorry I do not understand SMS language.

May I advise you to use English or else such posts will be deleted. Can't permit gibberish! Time is money. Can't waste time to decipher gibberish!

This much I have understood yes chinese people blame cpc .

Too bad, you are not a democracy that you can change the Government. You can't change the CPC because they will use their tanks and mow you down.

So make the best of it while you fester in the swamp!
 
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here r terrorists who murder people of which some r frequently getting their asses in and out from prcs territory but prc doesnt balme others for that....we advocate cooperations between countries to wipe out those sub humans....and have u seen the difference here???i have though....
Are you suffering from Alzheimer's?

China does not blame?

Let me help you.

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China blames terror camps in Pakistan as 20 killed in for Xinjiang violence

BEIJING: Signs of a fissure developing in the "all-weather" China-Pakistan relations became evident with Chinese officials in the border province of Xinjiang blaming Pakistan for the renewed spate of violence on Sunday in Kashgar town, which left nine people dead.

Kashgar authorities said in their official web site that terrorists captured after a bomb attack had admitted that one of the group's leaders was trained in making explosives and firearms at camps in Pakistan before infiltrating back into China. The police have killed five of the terrorists representing the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which runs a separatist movement in Xinjiang province, it said.

China blames terror camps in Pakistan as 20 killed in for Xinjiang violence - Times Of India


China blames Pakistan-trained Uighurs for Xinjiang attacks
Peh Shing Huei
The Straits Times


China accused Pakistan-trained Uighur terrorists of being behind bloody attacks in Xinjiang, a rare accusation given the strong ties between Beijing and Islamabad.

An initial police investigation found that the attacks in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar were led by those who learnt about explosives and firearms in Pakistan, reported the official news agency Xinhua. The attacks left 20, including the attackers, dead.

Two more suspects, both of them Uighurs, were "executed on the spot by police who were in the process of capturing them" yesterday, the Kashgar municipal government said in a statement. It also offered 100,000 yuan (US$15,500) for information on two other Uighur suspects in Sunday's attacks, local media reported.

Xinhua, citing an earlier statement by the Kashgar authorities, said the leaders of the religious extremists were trained in overseas camps of the separatist group East Turkestan Islamic Movement (Etim), before slipping into Xinjiang region.

Analysts say that such official finger-pointing was "very unusual" for the Chinese government.

"For a long time, Chinese scholars have been talking about Pakistan as a training camp for China's domestic terror groups. It is not a secret at all," said analyst Zhang Jian from Beijing University, who researches ethnic minority issues in China. "But for Xinhua to say it, it is really surprising."

China blames Pakistan-trained Uighurs for Xinjiang attacks
 

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Did they?

In India, we had a huge power failure basically because of poor policy and since cheap Chinese equipment they bought to cut costs failed miserably. That is what happens when you want to go for cheap stuff!



Because the control the terrorists. The Islamic terrorists depend on Arab money!



I am sorry I do not understand SMS language.

May I advise you to use English or else such posts will be deleted. Can't permit gibberish! Time is money. Can't waste time to decipher gibberish!

This much I have understood yes chinese people blame cpc .

Too bad, you are not a democracy that you can change the Government. You can't change the CPC because they will use their tanks and mow you down.

So make the best of it while you fester in the swamp!
so u mean chinese equipments resulted in the falure in india...can u show me any links to elaberate on what u r claimming.....

and i was wondering why chinese own power grids dont seem to suffer the same crap happenning in india.....like we r not mainly using chinese own electricity equipments.....

and too bad.....our gov doesnt destory some gold temple and is making the whole nation to use former colonizers language.......what a shame....
 
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I marvel at the way our Chinese posters suffer from amnesia and then blather out total falsehoods with indignant innocence!
 

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