Londonistan ?? Muhammad most common name given to babies in London

[Blackwater]

Pakistani and Bangladeshi families are easily the poorest. High unemployment among men, low levels of economic activity by women, low pay and large family sizes all contribute to a situation in which 60 per cent fall below the unofficial poverty line set by half average household income.

Pakistani and Bangladeshi families 'four times more likely to live in poverty' | Joseph Rowntree Foundation => Another link.

Not to forget phaaji, That 50% of force marriages are also from pakis in UK

 

[honeybadger]

@Singh
from the link you gave joseph R foundation:

'Low earnings and large family sizes meant that as many as 40 per cent of Bangladeshi and Pakistani working families are receiving Family Credit and other 'in-work' benefits, compared with only 8 per cent of white couples with children. '

40 percentage is a huge and significant number.
Usually numbers between 90% to 99% are taken from backside and raise suspicion from me.
Sorry for the hassle.

 

[K Factor]

To me, the below lines from the OP article were more significant than the frequency of a particular name.

GFRs for the UK show that women born in Pakistan have the highest fertility rates of the five individual maternal countries of birth examined, with around 180 births per thousand women in 2011, compared with around 60 births per thousand for UK born women.

 

[Singh]

@Singh
from the link you gave joseph R foundation:

'Low earnings and large family sizes meant that as many as 40 per cent of Bangladeshi and Pakistani working families are receiving Family Credit and other 'in-work' benefits, compared with only 8 per cent of white couples with children. '

40 percentage is a huge and significant number.
Usually numbers between 90% to 99% are taken from backside and raise suspicion from me.
Sorry for the hassle.

I don't quite follow your criticism. Anyways, I just found out this conclusion relied on 15 year old data.

The Family Resources Survey published in June 2012 is far more eye opening, I'd not use that data if I were arguing against @Blackwater

 

[angeldude13]

I know lots of desis and lots of white people are on benefit, but not sure about percentage of pakistani people. Please share with me the link.
Thank you.

if you can understand urdu

 

[honeybadger]

I don't quite follow your criticism. Anyways, I just found out this conclusion relied on 15 year old data.

The Family Resources Survey published in June 2012 is far more eye opening, I'd not use that data if I were arguing against @Blackwater

I have no criticism as such, was merely asking for the source of the data, if I was told it was meant just to say.. 'loads of people' I would have stopped there.
I find it as amusing as a comment from random guy talking about 78% of Indians being poor ( when the news is about India's latest satellite launch.) lolz.

 

[Singh]

if you can understand urdu

There are many Indian illegal immigrants who are roughing it out in the UK.

 

[Singh]

I have no criticism as such, was merely asking for the source of the data, if I was told it was meant just to say.. 'loads of people' I would have stopped there.
I find it as amusing as a comment from random guy talking about 78% of Indians being poor ( when the news is about India's latest satellite launch.) lolz.

I still don't follow your argument ?
The Family Resources Survey is Govt data.

 

[angeldude13]

There are many Indian illegal immigrants who are roughing it out in the UK.

but discussion is about pakistani people in uk

 

[Singh]

but discussion is about pakistani people in uk

Technically those who are illegals or tourists will not be included in Govt Stats.

 

[angeldude13]

Technically those who are illegals or tourists will not be included in Govt Stats.

that YT video talks about the students from pakistan

 

[honeybadger]

if you can understand urdu

Such educational consultants are avaiable in many north Indian states who arrange students to be sent here. There was a BBC news item about people from punjab sleeping rough under flyover. Some of them have burnt their passport but willing to go back to India, GoI is taking own time to get them the document.

Anyway, no student gets benefit in UK.

 

[Singh]

@honeybadger @angeldude13 To veer the discussion on which country's illegal immigrants are worse off would be an exercise in stupidity.

 

[honeybadger]

@honeybadger @angeldude13 To veer the discussion on which country's illegal immigrants are worse off would be an exercise in stupidity.

I agree. I almost forgot that this thread is about 'mohammed' being most popular new born baby's name in london.

 

[angeldude13]

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i don't know why the hell people get this idea that iam bashing pakistanis.

topic is about pakistan. Isn't it???
so i posted in favor of the opinion that condition of majority of the pakistanis is not good as compared to there fellow south asians bretheren i.e bongs and indis

POST A SIMILAR THREAD ABOUT INDIA AND I WILL POST INDIA RELATED MATERIALS

 

[angeldude13]

@honeybadger @angeldude13 To veer the discussion on which country's illegal immigrants are worse off would be an exercise in stupidity.

ok sir

 

[Singh]

i don't know why the hell people get this idea that iam bashing pakistanis.

topic is about pakistan. Isn't it???
so i posted in favor of the opinion that condition of majority of the pakistanis is not good as compared to there fellow south asians bretheren i.e bongs and indis

POST A SIMILAR THREAD ABOUT INDIA AND I WILL POST INDIA RELATED MATERIALS

Topic was not about Pakistan per se.

1. Conditions of Illegal Immigrants is not good. Period.
2. A majority of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis are not illegal immigrants and we are not even discussing them.
3. Conditions of Pakistanis maybe a tad bit better than Bangladeshis , this is anecdotal.
4. Indians are much much better off as compared to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and in many important metrics better off compared to Whites too.

 

[angeldude13]

Topic was not about Pakistan per se.

1. Conditions of Illegal Immigrants is not good. Period.
2. A majority of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis are not illegal immigrants and we are not even discussing them.
3. Conditions of Pakistanis maybe a tad bit better than Bangladeshis , this is anecdotal.
4. Indians are much much better off as compared to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and in many important metrics better off compared to Whites too.

ok sir

 

[Blackwater]

@Singh ..thanks for posting the data, I will be grateful if you can post the link where you got the stats from.

Pakistanis and bangladeshis are clubbed together, I would tend to think it will be lower for pakistanis due to higher level of poverty among bangladeshis. (not sure how significantly it affects).
@Blackwater .. like singh observed, people of pakistani origin have significant percentage on doles. still dont know where you got the 95 % from.

Not in UK. In every govt or banks or council or electoral forms, ethnicity is clearly mentioned on them, indian-pakistan -bangladesh is clearly mentioned seprately.

must be in ur Pakistani mind, u still think pakis and bangladeshi are still same


ok if it is easier to understand or digest ,take it as majority instead of 95%

 

[Blackwater]

i don't know why the hell people get this idea that iam bashing pakistanis.

topic is about pakistan. Isn't it???
so i posted in favor of the opinion that condition of majority of the pakistanis is not good as compared to there fellow south asians bretheren i.e bongs and indis

POST A SIMILAR THREAD ABOUT INDIA AND I WILL POST INDIA RELATED MATERIALS

cool down brother. though topic was not about Pakistan but i took pakis example in my post becoz they are the largest muslim community in UK