Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indians

[ITBP]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

Quality of Bengali teaching in BD English schools are much better than India's English medium schools. BD English medium students are not wannabe English like India's students of English medium schools. In fact BD English medium schools insist very much on Bengali culture, BD English medium schools are more like WB's state run English medium schools, only syllabus is in English(same like Bengali medium schools) and Bengali is spoken mean white India's ICSE and some CBSE schools try to uproot least sign of Indian culture as much possible, for example speaking there Bengali or Hindi is offence.

Also considering all BD government's all works in Bengali and same to Bd companies over all importance of English in BD is close to Zero.

 

[Ray]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

Quality of Bengali teaching in BD English schools are much better than India's English medium schools. BD English medium students are not wannabe English like India's students of English medium schools. In fact BD English medium schools insist very much on Bengali culture, BD English medium schools are more like WB's state run English medium schools, only syllabus is in English(same like Bengali medium schools) and Bengali is spoken mean white India's ICSE and some CBSE schools try to uproot least sign of Indian culture as much possible, for example speaking there Bengali or Hindi is offence.

Also considering all BD government's all works in Bengali and same to Bd companies over all importance of English in BD is close to Zero.

Again, you miss the wood for the trees.

Why is Bengali doing well in BD?

It is because that is the ONLY language of the people.

BD companies which are working for international interests and supplying to them, all do business in English. That should be simple for you to understand. Do you think the international shirt brands who outsource to BD will understand Bengali or have their contracts written in Bengali?

By May 14, 2013 European companies which Europe account for about 60 percent of Bangladesh's clothing exports: United Colors of Benetton, Britain's Marks & Spencer, Sweden's H & M Hennes, Mauritz AB, Inditex SA, and one American company, PVH, which owns brands including Calvin Klein, had endorsed an accord.

In India, there are 780 languages, 220 lost in last 50 years.

Who will give up his own language and allow another to take its place?

English belongs to none and so there is no heartburn.

 

[ITBP]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

The moral of story is-If you cant beat them, then join them.

Btw German BMW, Finnish Nokia too use English.

 

[ITBP]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

1 more, my teacher told me students those who come from Hindi or Nepalese medium and have to switch to English medium in higher studies, they score far better than those who from English medium school since class 1.

 

[Otm Shank]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

English is key in enabling india's (and every other 3rd/2nd world countries) most skilled, productive and hardworking to immigrate to first world countries and keep their homelands subjugated economically and intellectually.

As a Canadian that greatly benefits from this system of braindrain I think English should be the national language of india

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

I might add that the Pakistani textbook "Primary Stage English" includes lessons such as "Pakistan My Country", "Our Flag", or "Our Great Leader" (Malik 1993: 5,6,7) which might well sound jingoistic to Western ears.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

Yes!
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama

Song 2:
Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say "hooray!"

Hooray, Mr. President! You're number one!
The first black American to lead this great nation!

Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country's economy number one again!

Hooray Mr. President, we're really proud of you!
And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!

So continue ---- Mr. President we know you'll do the trick
So here's a hearty hip-hooray ----

Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!

 

[Ray]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

Well, the US praises other Presidents too.

They also have Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Superwoman, Wonder Woman and so and so forth.

The US is taught from childhood to fall into love with itself with comic book icons. That too me is too comic a psychology.

Therefore, praise for Obama, Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber does not surprise me.

Fight the good over Evil and all that tommy rot, with US itself deciding what is good and what is evil.

Narcissist complex!

Check this out

Bush Had Kids Praise Him For Katrina Response

Michelle Malkin, journalist par excellance, tracked down the infamous elementary school that dared to have a few kids sing the songs in this video back in February to celebrate Black History month.

One wonders what would have happened had students been "coerced" into singing a song praising our former President Bush. Oh wait! That actually happened back in 2006 where kids at the annual Easter Egg Hunt at the White House learned a song to praise Bush for his response to Hurricane Katrina! Seriously, that isn't a satirical story from The Onion, it really happened.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/09/26/786709/-Bush-Had-Kids-Praise-Him-For-Katrina-Response

 

[Energon]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

Well, the US praises other Presidents too.

Yes, everyone around the world is forced to praise their leaders regardless of their track record. The only difference is that in some cases there's a gun pointed to your head. W.G.Ewald's "news sources" may tell you that the United States under Obama is one of those places. Needless to say that is not true. Luckily the United States in it's current form has never been such a place.

They also have Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Superwoman, Wonder Woman and so and so forth.
The US is taught from childhood to fall into love with itself with comic book icons. That too me is too comic a psychology.

Therefore, praise for Obama, Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber does not surprise me.

Fight the good over Evil and all that tommy rot, with US itself deciding what is good and what is evil.

Narcissist complex!

Check this out

You have misunderstood the comic book phenomenon. In the US the influence of comic books has little to do with nationalism or any form of centralized social engineering and almost everything to do with entertainment. This is not to say comics haven't been used to promote social agendas; they certainly have, but none of these actions have had any negative connotations. If you look at the expansion of many comic book story lines starting in the 50s and 60s there was an increase in the number of female and minority characters. Comic books have been at the forefront of social progressivism but again, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. The point is that comic books have very little to do with any nationalized form of hero worship. I spent all my summers in India, and funnily enough I found the hero worship effects of Marvel comic book fantasy heroes to be a fraction of what the characters from my summer time reads of Amar Chitra Katha comics offered. These characters were actually "Gods" and their fight of good vs evil was inherently entrenched with the Indian culture. Spiderman, Batman and Superman offered no such connection to religion or culture

As a child I attended schools in multiple countries (including India and the United States) and what's ironic is that when it comes to the inculcation of blind nationalism I found India to be far ahead of the United States. Granted I came from a family heavily entrenched in the freedom movement and the military, and my school experience was in the era just prior to the economic liberalization; but the general message of 'India is the best' was very strong in the school environment. My public school in the United States offered very little by comparison. Sure there was the occasional "USA is the best" rhetoric, but by and large all the emphasis was on individuality and very little attention (if any) was paid to forcing a collective.

See, the key difference was that when anybody here said the USA was the best, it was very easy to take it for granted because life around us was just so darn good. We had excellent roads and public facilities, the water and electricity never cut out, the streets were clean, you could drink water straight out of the tap, the sewage never backed up and the local supermarket always had the best foods. This was not the case in India because kids from a very young age realized that the level of dysfunction around us was way too high. Yes, we all chanted "mera bharat mahaan" at the top of lungs as we were told, but we also attuned to the fact that mera bharat had too many serious problems and that life was very, very difficult and miserable for most adults.

So I don't think that Americans are socially engineered to become narcissists; it's just that for a very long time we weren't forced to be introspective about any internal problems. This however has changed.

 

[thethinker]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

You have misunderstood the comic book phenomenon. In the US the influence of comic books has little to do with nationalism or any form of centralized social engineering and almost everything to do with entertainment. This is not to say comics haven't been used to promote social agendas; they certainly have, but none of these actions have had any negative connotations. If you look at the expansion of many comic book story lines starting in the 50s and 60s there was an increase in the number of female and minority characters. Comic books have been at the forefront of social progressivism but again, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. The point is that comic books have very little to do with any nationalized form of hero worship. I spent all my summers in India, and funnily enough I found the hero worship effects of Marvel comic book fantasy heroes to be a fraction of what the characters from my summer time reads of Amar Chitra Katha comics offered. These characters were actually "Gods" and their fight of good vs evil was inherently entrenched with the Indian culture. Spiderman, Batman and Superman offered no such connection to religion or culture

US comic books were used as tools as "us v/s them" during World War 2. Isn't that nationalism which is contrary to what you are claiming?

https://suite.io/keith-murphy/2bdv2y4

Comic Books Helped to Fight World War II

Superheroes were powerful weapons for the Allied forces during World War II. Superman and his pals were some of the finest propaganda tools in the Allied arsenal

Shortly after the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941, the FBI simply assumed control of all civilian mass media traffic which either entered the United States from abroad or left the US to be consumed by foreign nationals. Congress passed the War Powers Act on December 18, which created a federal Office of Censorship. Surprisingly, the press was not up in arms over this development. The Office of Censorship, headed by the Associated Press' Executive News Director Byron Price, actually oversaw voluntary censoring of press stories which might reveal strategic information to the enemy.

Buy War Bonds!

The news media was not the only entertainment front to volunteer for service during World War II, entertainers of all stripes jumped to the forefront on the home front when the US went to war. Professional and collegiate athletes either joined the armed services or championed War Bond drives. Movie stars either joined up, peddled War Bonds, or starred in patriotic war-themed films. Great writers went to the front to cover the war and to report for radio. However, the most surprising, and potent, of all the propaganda warriors for Uncle Sam, may have worn spandex tights and a cape.

With the advent of Action Comics #1 in 1938, the comic book industry had found its goldmine in the superhero genre. Even though paper pulp would become identified as a wartime commodity which meant that most of the newly created wood pulp as well as the recycled paper pulp was set aside for military uses, the nation's affection for the melodramatic tales of superheroes meant that the industry found ways of supplying the presses with cheap pulp paper.

The industry quickly discovered that, as early as 1940, that it was publishing for two markets: the traditional market of juveniles and young adults at home made up the first marketing cohort. The industry was a bit surprised to discover that superheroes were also a hit among GIs who had time to kill while waiting for their marching orders. Between 1940 and 1945, circulation numbers would triple and at military post exchanges, comic books outsold standard fare such as Life and Reader's Digest by as much as ten to one.
Super Heroes go to War!

Long before the United States was officially involved in the struggle against the Axis powers, the American superhero strapped on the spandex and took a stand. As the country cranked up for war in 1940, superheroes began waging iconic war as the comic book industry took it as a self-directed task to use its newfound market penetration to shape public opinion as well as create cultural icons.

As Ron Goulart writes in Over 50 Years of American Comic Books, the superhero of the day stood as an icon for the country's values and core beliefs. The prime example: Superman, who in a very early issue, can be seen punching Adolph Hitler in the face. Superman reinforced those American concepts of "truth, justice, and the American Way," ideas which the comic book readership of the day needed to hear considering what lay ahead in the next few years.
Superman was only one of the, at least 25 "super-patriots" who would appear before the end of World War II., "super-patriots" who would appear before the end of World War II.

 

[Energon]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

US comic books were used as tools as "us v/s them" during World War 2. Isn't that nationalism which is contrary to what you are claiming?

https://suite.io/keith-murphy/2bdv2y4

Comic Books Helped to Fight World War II

You would be hard pressed to find any country that doesn't ramp up it's rhetoric in the heightened time of war. WWII was one of the most extreme and unique periods in American history and the Nazis were undoubtedly a contemptible enemy. However this phase only lasted for 3 years and with the exception of the Nazis the comic book heroes always fought fantasy supervillians who did not subversively channel someone else's identity (Muslims, Cubans, etc.) Iron man took on Soviet inspired enemies, but it was always in a technological showdown and not one which vilified anyone's ethnicity, race or culture (unlike the show 24 for example). So by and large no, comic books have not sowed a malignant "us vs them" seed in the American consciousness because if that were the case, comic books and super hero characters would not be so popular all over the world.

 

[Adux]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

The ----ing Language nazi's are back, eh.. I cant even bother to read the replies. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[Adux]

Re: Lie that English education to open world wide opportunity for Indi

Who are the real problem creators of India, as a modern secular strong nationlist nation, in no paritcular order or severity

1. Islamic Jihadi's
2. Isalmic Taaqiya
3. Evangelicals
4. Home churches with affinity towards other ideologies/regions
5. Commies
6. Socialist
7. Regressive Hindu's
8. Militant Hindu's
9. Language Nazi's
10. Pseudo secular Hindus
11. Pseudo secular Commies
12. Islamism
13. Eco Green Terrorist
14. NGO's


Feel free to add more shit xxxxxx

What India should be

1. Open
2. Liberal
3. Nationalistic
4. Indianess ( melting pot of multiple cultures into one, which is shaped Indian culture; which is NOT North Indian Hindu Culture)
5. Pluralistic
6. Strong and Visionary
7. Individualistic
8. Personal Liberty and Right of Speech as paramount.