Legitimacy of the Durand Line

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  1. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    We should take wakhan corridor along with pok so as to cut chinese access meanwhile we have access to afghanistan and tajikstan. We could give some western portion of pok to afghans in exchange for wakhan corridor.
     
  2. LETHALFORCE

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    When Afghans Look to Border With Pakistan, They Don’t See a Fixed Line

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    “The status of the Durand Line is a matter of historic importance for the Afghan people,” it said in a statement.

    President Hamid Karzai’s spokesman, Aimal Faizi, also expressed pique in a message marking Id al-Adha, the Islamic holiday that began Friday. “May almighty God bring peace, security and unity to Afghanistan, particularly to both sides of the Durand Line,” the spokesman’s office said in a statement.

    Mr. Grossman’s comments, delivered at a time when Afghans are particularly apprehensive about their country’s future, hit a tender nerve. Increasingly, and openly, Afghans have been debating the limits of what they can expect from the United States, an ally that is often both reviled here and seen as a needed benefactor and protector.

    Compounding the insult, in the Afghan view, is that the United States is taking the side of Pakistan, whose government is seen as harboring or even aiding Taliban and Haqqani militants waging the insurgency in Afghanistan who are sheltered in the territories cut off by the Durand Line.

    “For the Afghan side, there was always this expectation that if we involved the U.S. deeper into Afghanistan’s issues, it was going to lead to a solution of the problem with militant extremism from Pakistan,” said Haseeb Humayoon of QARA Consulting, a policy advisory firm in Kabul.

    But now, he added, the United States is pulling back, and “the problem remains.”

    The sense of dashed expectations is palpable, and hopes are increasingly being replaced with conspiracy theories. Though such theories — mirroring those often heard about the United States on the Pakistani side of the border, if slightly less energetic — have always been whispered here, they are picking up volume as the American withdrawal nears.


    In Afghanistan, Comment on Border Brings Tension - NYTimes.com
     
  3. Ray

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    According to a report published in The Telegraph, former Army Chief Gen VK Singh has hinted that China is opening a tunnel under Pamir ranges of Wakhan Corridor that skirts the northern areas of Jammu and Kashmir. To India's horror, this is the territory that India claims but is under Pakistani occupation. "But for PoK, India would have had direct access to Afghanistan through the Wakhan Corridor," report quoted him saying.

    Gen Singh was clear about his reasons for the Chinese connection with Afghanistan since he, according to the report, is writing his PhD thesis on “Fundamentalism in Afghanistan and the Geo Strategic Significance of the Wakhan Corridor”. Going by the report, during the course of his research, Gen Singh has found evidence of military engineering activity on the Chinese side of the border.

    Gen Singh sounds warning: China eyeing Afghanistan, building tunnel near J&K - daily.bhaskar.com
     
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  4. datguy79

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    I am Afghan. Let's play the negotiating game:

    I don't know why you would want the Wakhan. It is a high altitude, mountainous "wasteland" which is inaccessible for half the year. It is totally non-conducive to trade or energy pipelines, so might as well just transit your trade though AFG. The only possible significance of it is that it is one of the sources of Amu Darya, so unless you want all of Central Asia to be pissed off at you by diverting the water, you can take it.

    Afghans don't want anything to do with Kashmir. It doesn't fit our national identity at all. Military and economic aid as well as unfettered and tax-free transport of Afghan goods to the sea (determined under a legally binding agreement) will be better.
     
  5. Virendra

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    Understood, but Wakhan is important to us in retrospective.
    As Messiah said already, we have to control it to keep the Chinese at bay. They've already ankled India on the east.
    We can't let that happen in west.
    Pakistan will sell anything that China wants from it. There's only one way out, keep the two geographies separate i.e. have Wakhan in control.

    Well the tax and other technicalities of trade can always be sorted out, but from where afghanistan stands today, more important is to gather logistics and infrastructure.
    That is where we can help you via Iran. In fact it is work under progress already. Not only is the Delaram-Zaranj highway completed,
    but also AFAIK a rail link from Iran border near Zaranj to the Chahabahar port.

    Note: Before any major turn around for Afghanistan in terms of trade and sea access, that highway has to be freed from the Taliban stalking it constantly.
     
  6. Yusuf

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    :facepalm: US. Missed a big trick to screw Pakis. Total blunder.
     
  7. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Correct

    Only feasible route is Afghanistan via Chabahar port Iran or through Pakistan.

    A good 4 lane highway from Chabahar port and double lane railway tract is most desirable. India can dump as much goods Afghanistan wants, vice and versa, uninterruptedly via sea route.
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

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    It seems like US always miss these things when it comes to Pak?
    Or it could be a sword to be used later if Pak gets too close to China
    the Durand line will be back in the news.
     
  9. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    while i think

    pak should invade afghanistan and takes up the pushtoon majority states upto kabul..

    since most of afghanistan belong to KPK
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

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    This is the best move Pak can make only problem is US will be backing Afghanistan and they will decimate Pakistan.
     
  11. LETHALFORCE

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  12. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    well we should do this in future

    when USA/Nato are no more in Afghanistan
    *when China has already taken USA economy

    may be after 2020

    more than 70% of total pushtoon live in pakistan(KPK)
    and even more than 3 millions afghan pushtoon refugees
     
  13. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    US will be building up Afghanistan before they leave the best weapons will probably be
    given to Afghans and training. It may not be easy using Chinese weapons by pak and of course
    Indians will also be sending weapons to Afghans.
     
  14. LETHALFORCE

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    The Hindu : News / National : Iran says “tangible” progress in India-Afghanistan link

    Iran says “tangible” progress in India-Afghanistan link


    Iran on Tuesday said there had been “tangible” progress in the development of the Chah-bahar port which would serve as the shortest route for ingress into Afghanistan for India.
     
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  15. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    by than USA wont have money to fund there armed forces considering the fact the debt has even over taken the total GDP

    Indians are very bad at foriegn policy even pak present worst govt is better than them at foriegn relations
    just imagine pak with 1.6trillions economy and what would had been our influence in the world.while indian is none.
    so never worry about india

    though i agree it wont be easy.bt also it isnt impossible for pakistan.
    consider the strength of our armed forces and the will of our pushtoon people on doing this
     
  16. LETHALFORCE

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    It is impossible for Pakistan. Historically Pakistan has not won one war.
    Pakistan trying to invade Afghanistan backed by US/NATO,Russia,India,iran is a big joke.

    US has a 40 trillion dollar economy where is this dream of US going broke coming from?
    Chinese news?

    India does not need diplomacy to supply training, weapons and money.
     
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    Karzai says U.S. won't help Afghan defense - UPI.com

    Karzai says U.S. won't help Afghan defense

    KABUL, Afghanistan, Oct. 5 (UPI) -- Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai said the United States is not prepared to defend his country from cross-border shelling by neighboring Pakistan.

    "Should Afghanistan take steps to purchase its required equipment from Russia, China, India or elsewhere?" he asked.
     
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  18. Apollyon

    Apollyon Führer Senior Member

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    :facepalm:

    Please tell us why Indian Foreign Policy is Bad any why's Pakistan's FP is just "awesome", i know you are just trying to pester us but still.

    Reality Check : Pakistan's Economy is $200 Billion not $1.6 Trillion ;Indian Economy is close to $2 Trillion. Stop this "what if" shit, Pakistan's economy is in deep gutter not getting out of it soon.

    It looks like you are just prowling around, ascertain of what's going on.
    Please don't aberrate the topic, well most of your Posts are full of hackneyed phrases.
     
  19. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Rout A71 Zaranj to Delaram has been completed. Zaranj to Milak, Iran border a stretch of few KM was under construction 5 years back so it should be done by now. Chabhar to Milak Iran is no problem. 900 km Railway line project is underway (survey etc).

    https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...I8wQnPzHQrk73mxiRJw&oq=Delara&t=h&mra=ls&z=13

    https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...fPjFCvRzrDBV0sQ&oq=Milak,+iran&t=h&mra=ls&z=6

    https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...LI8wQnPzHQrk73mxiRJw&oq=Delara&t=h&mra=ls&z=8
     
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  20. LurkerBaba

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    Agreed. Khyber Pass is the closest feasible land route.

    Then again land routes are more expensive than sea routes
     

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