LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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Firstly, this is RFQ not the final contract. All these are just the wishlist from India, whether or not India will get all of them and at what price are depending on further negotiation. As you said, American is not foolish enough to sign agreement without safeguard of their own interests in the future either;
Secondly, this is only request for current customer of HAL, namely IAF, IN, etc, anyone within India. HAL will not and cannot set the service for any future overseas customer, they simply don't know what Malaysia airforce will need. So, it is laughable to think that current REQ can cover future export clients;
Thirdly, anyone who is familiar with US arm sells will know that US has most strict regulation on the weapons or technology they sold to overseas customers. There is plenty of examples they veto their ally's arm selling to the customers they don't like.

US government can theoretically over rule them even at the cost of financial penalties etc but big question will they be willing to accept the costs in the short or long run ?
The history shows that they always choose their strategic interest over financial penalties. Chinese, Indian, Pakistani can tell you that.

Say hypothetically India cuts down on the number of civilian aircrafts from Boeing as a sign of displeasure and replaces them with airbus , Will US rethink then ? Risk billions of dollars for a measly few hundred millions ?
If you earn 20b dollar surplus from your trade with US each year, you really need to think twice about how to show your displeasure especially when you have a big deficit in the whole.


The Chinese have used the same technique ie Lure of continued access to their markets to browbeat others to overlook their thievery copying and other illegal activities associated with technology etc very successfully
First of all, Chinese is still the top one country barred from military technology purchase from US, Europe (under the pressure of US), even though their weapon market worth hundreds of billions potential;
Second, if they are successful, why are they willing to smuggle 2nd or 3rd level western technologies at 2 or 3 times cost from Taiwan, South Korea, sometimes even India?
 

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Tejas production disrupted, as air force sits on proposals


Tejas fighter now being delivered (above) have 300 changes from the contract specifications of 2013

By Ajai Shukla
HAL Bengaluru
13th Jan 19


For ten months now, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s (HAL’s) proposal to manufacture 83 Tejas Mark 1A fighters, which the ministry of defence (MoD) green-lighted in December 2017, has been pending with the Indian Air Force (IAF).

With no clearance forthcoming from the IAF’s “technical evaluation committee” (TEC), the project remains in limbo. HAL’s commercial bid remains unopened and an actual production order, at a price to be fixed by a “cost negotiating committee”, is nowhere in sight.

This Tejas Mark 1A order, worth Rs 50,000 crore in the estimation of Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, constitutes half the orders worth Rs 100,000 crore that she told Parliament had been given to HAL, and then later clarified were “in the pipeline”.

The pipeline should have a clearly defined length. The Defence Procurement Procedure of 2016 (DPP-2016) requires the TEC to complete its evaluation in 10 weeks. It has already been with the IAF for 10 months.

Contacted for comments, the IAF has not responded.

HAL chairman, R Madhavan, says the order is vital for smooth production. This year, HAL’s Tejas integration line will deliver eight fighters, and will also ramp up production to 16 fighters per year. However, there are only 20 more Tejas Mark 1 fighters on order. That means, without the order for 83 Tejas Mark 1A aircraft, the line will grind to a halt in 2020.

For now, HAL’s only hope is that prospective foreign customers, such as Malaysia, place orders for the Tejas, which would keep its production line going. As Business Standardreported last Tuesday, the Royal Malaysian Air Force could buy up to 30 Tejas Mark 1 fighters.

“We cannot afford Tejas production coming to a stop. Stop-and-start production has financial costs, and disrupts the supply chain. And delay raises labour costs and foreign exchange appreciation,” says Madhavan.

The IAF counters that HAL is still to deliver two orders it has received for 20 fighters each. But, in fact, the order is only for 32 fighters, not 40. The remaining eight fighters are the twin-seat trainer variant, for which the IAF is still to issue the “air staff requirements” (ASRs) – or the specifications to which they must be built.

This delay is happening because, in 2016, the IAF suddenly demanded that its twin-seat trainers must also have mid-air-refuelling capability. This capability had earlier been decided for only the single-seat fighter, but was not required in the twin-seat trainers. The IAF’s change of mind involves significant re-engineering, since the long, drooping nose of the twin-seater presents additional challenges.

HAL can start this development only when the IAF issues the ASRs for mid-air-refuelling for the twin-seat variant. Thereafter, the development would take at least two years. Only then can the twin-seat Tejas – eight trainers from the first order of 40 aircraft and 10 from the 83 Mark 1A order – enter production.

Until then, only two Tejas trainers exist – prototypes built years ago. With no twin-seat trainers being built, there are serious problems in training Tejas pilots. Since the existing two twin-seaters are needed for the flight-test programme, rookie Tejas pilots must rely on mainly simulator training, rather than real flying.

In the Tejas assembly hangar, Business Standardsaw two spanking new Tejas fighters ready for delivery. Another two were getting their final touches. When those are delivered by March 31, HAL will have – for the first time – achieved the production milestone of eight fighters per year.

The IAF charges HAL with having taken too long to reach this level of production. But the HAL chief ascribes that to the IAF constantly shifting goalposts.

“Much of the delay is due to changing Tejas specifications. Tejas production was cleared in 2013. But, from that time till today, there have been over 300 changes to the fighter. We need to freeze a single standard for the fighter,” points out Madhavan.

Endemic delays in the Tejas programme – whether due to developmental delay by the Defence R&D Organisation, production delay by HAL or the absence of oversight and ownership by the IAF – have had severe financial repercussions.

In 2006, the contract for the first 20 Tejas Mark 1 was concluded at a price of Rs 106 crore per fighter. In 2015, when production finally got under way, HAL submitted a request asking for it to be increased to Rs 194 crore. The second batch of 20 fighters will likely top Rs 200 crore apiece. And the 83 Tejas Mark 1A, with significant (and expensive) capability enhancements demanded by the IAF – including advanced radar, electronic warfare systems and better maintainability – will likely cost over Rs 400 crore per fighter.

“Ultimately, the blame lies with the air force, which has treated the Tejas project like a step-child. The Tejas has grown in capability, but the IAF has preferred relying on foreign fighters like the Rafale. Now, if orders for the Tejas Mark 1A are not placed early, its cost will rise, giving the IAF yet another reason to oppose it,” says Bharat Karnad of the Centre for Policy Research.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/01/tejas-production-disrupted-as-air-force.html?m=1
 

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Tejas production disrupted, as air force sits on proposals


Tejas fighter now being delivered (above) have 300 changes from the contract specifications of 2013

By Ajai Shukla
HAL Bengaluru
13th Jan 19


For ten months now, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s (HAL’s) proposal to manufacture 83 Tejas Mark 1A fighters, which the ministry of defence (MoD) green-lighted in December 2017, has been pending with the Indian Air Force (IAF).

With no clearance forthcoming from the IAF’s “technical evaluation committee” (TEC), the project remains in limbo. HAL’s commercial bid remains unopened and an actual production order, at a price to be fixed by a “cost negotiating committee”, is nowhere in sight.

This Tejas Mark 1A order, worth Rs 50,000 crore in the estimation of Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, constitutes half the orders worth Rs 100,000 crore that she told Parliament had been given to HAL, and then later clarified were “in the pipeline”.

The pipeline should have a clearly defined length. The Defence Procurement Procedure of 2016 (DPP-2016) requires the TEC to complete its evaluation in 10 weeks. It has already been with the IAF for 10 months.

Contacted for comments, the IAF has not responded.

HAL chairman, R Madhavan, says the order is vital for smooth production. This year, HAL’s Tejas integration line will deliver eight fighters, and will also ramp up production to 16 fighters per year. However, there are only 20 more Tejas Mark 1 fighters on order. That means, without the order for 83 Tejas Mark 1A aircraft, the line will grind to a halt in 2020.

For now, HAL’s only hope is that prospective foreign customers, such as Malaysia, place orders for the Tejas, which would keep its production line going. As Business Standard reported last Tuesday, the Royal Malaysian Air Force could buy up to 30 Tejas Mark 1 fighters.

“We cannot afford Tejas production coming to a stop. Stop-and-start production has financial costs, and disrupts the supply chain. And delay raises labour costs and foreign exchange appreciation,” says Madhavan.

The IAF counters that HAL is still to deliver two orders it has received for 20 fighters each. But, in fact, the order is only for 32 fighters, not 40. The remaining eight fighters are the twin-seat trainer variant, for which the IAF is still to issue the “air staff requirements” (ASRs) – or the specifications to which they must be built.

This delay is happening because, in 2016, the IAF suddenly demanded that its twin-seat trainers must also have mid-air-refuelling capability. This capability had earlier been decided for only the single-seat fighter, but was not required in the twin-seat trainers. The IAF’s change of mind involves significant re-engineering, since the long, drooping nose of the twin-seater presents additional challenges.

HAL can start this development only when the IAF issues the ASRs for mid-air-refuelling for the twin-seat variant. Thereafter, the development would take at least two years. Only then can the twin-seat Tejas – eight trainers from the first order of 40 aircraft and 10 from the 83 Mark 1A order – enter production.

Until then, only two Tejas trainers exist – prototypes built years ago. With no twin-seat trainers being built, there are serious problems in training Tejas pilots. Since the existing two twin-seaters are needed for the flight-test programme, rookie Tejas pilots must rely on mainly simulator training, rather than real flying.

In the Tejas assembly hangar, Business Standard saw two spanking new Tejas fighters ready for delivery. Another two were getting their final touches. When those are delivered by March 31, HAL will have – for the first time – achieved the production milestone of eight fighters per year.

The IAF charges HAL with having taken too long to reach this level of production. But the HAL chief ascribes that to the IAF constantly shifting goalposts.

“Much of the delay is due to changing Tejas specifications. Tejas production was cleared in 2013. But, from that time till today, there have been over 300 changes to the fighter. We need to freeze a single standard for the fighter,” points out Madhavan.

Endemic delays in the Tejas programme – whether due to developmental delay by the Defence R&D Organisation, production delay by HAL or the absence of oversight and ownership by the IAF – have had severe financial repercussions.

In 2006, the contract for the first 20 Tejas Mark 1 was concluded at a price of Rs 106 crore per fighter. In 2015, when production finally got under way, HAL submitted a request asking for it to be increased to Rs 194 crore. The second batch of 20 fighters will likely top Rs 200 crore apiece. And the 83 Tejas Mark 1A, with significant (and expensive) capability enhancements demanded by the IAF – including advanced radar, electronic warfare systems and better maintainability – will likely cost over Rs 400 crore per fighter.

“Ultimately, the blame lies with the air force, which has treated the Tejas project like a step-child. The Tejas has grown in capability, but the IAF has preferred relying on foreign fighters like the Rafale. Now, if orders for the Tejas Mark 1A are not placed early, its cost will rise, giving the IAF yet another reason to oppose it,” says Bharat Karnad of the Centre for Policy Research.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/01/tejas-production-disrupted-as-air-force.html?m=1
Dalal Ajay Shukla activated to give cover to ecosystem. A genuine problem being fashioned into ammo for Congi - Lutyens Nexus. Failing to target govt. through Rafale directly, they are trying by proxy through HAL.

Fact is Indian Armed Forces take their sweet time with Qualitative and Staff Requirements to freeze designs on indigenous weapon systems. Tejas is finally coming of age and we need to encourage it with all our might to replace ancient MiG 21 and MiG 27 fighter squadrons.
 

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More news from ecosystem. Not including link so we don't give them clicks.

Reality check for Rahul Gandhi’s darling HAL – unending wait for final version of Tejas

HAL was to roll out the Final Operational Clearance version of the indigenously-built aircraft by 2011, but project has been hit by delays.

New Delhi: The Modi government and the opposition Congress are busy sparring over the value of contracts given to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) but the state-run aerospace continues to struggle with one of its biggest and most prestigious projects in hand – rolling out the more complex version of the indigenously built fighter aircraft Tejas.

HAL was to roll out the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) version of the light combat aircraft in 2011. It has a contract with the Indian Air Force (IAF) to produce 20 aircraft of the FOC version.

The process, however, has been delayed due to various reasons, from hardware and software modifications to limited hours of flight testing. Another main reason is that the developmental phase by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is still not complete.

Speaking to ThePrint, sources indicated that the rollout may take more time even though the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has stepped in to hasten the process.

Sources said that a high-level meeting was held in the ministry on 29 December, following which HAL has got the clearance to manufacture the FOC standard aircraft. The testing and certification for the final FOC clearance will continue on the side, the sources said.

They, however, termed it a “stopgap” arrangement to ensure that HAL’s production lines don’t remain idle since the firm is expected to complete the production of the more basic form of the Tejas aircraft — the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) version — by March this year.

The HAL has to deliver 20 aircraft of the IOC variant, the last of which is expected to roll out in March.

The main difference between the two is that while the FOC Tejas variant will have a gun of its own besides mid-air refuelling capability and a number of software upgrades, the IOC version is an armed version with laser missiles and bombs, and does not have a gun, sources said.

Once the FOC is done, the 20 IOC variants will also be re-configured with the gun and mid-air refuelling capability.

It is feared that there is so much work needed that some of the aircraft may never get these two capabilities. Asked if the Tejas in the current IOC form can fight a war, top sources said it can, but only a truncated one.

Order for 83 Tejas Mark 1A
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has also decided to buy 83 Tejas Mark 1A aircraft from HAL but a contract is yet to be signed.

The Tejas Mark 1A aircraft will be a class apart from the rest of the 40 ordered so far in terms of capability, weapons and avionics.

“The Tejas Mark 1A will see the removal of about 53 maintenance concessions given to the 40 aircraft ordered so far,” a source said. “The Mark 1A will also come with Israeli Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, besides Electronic Warfare (EW) suite.”

The EW suite allows an aircraft to defend itself from enemy fire but none of the 40 aircraft ordered so far will have this facility, meaning that they can be sitting ducks in case of a war.


When is the order likely to be made?
Sources ruled out the possibility of any firm order during the tenure of the current government even though they have pushed the Tejas programme. (Read no order till FOC is integrated.)

Sources said that HAL has worked out a price of Rs 466 crore for a basic version of the Tejas Mark 1A aircraft and the MoD feels it can be cheaper. (Actual reason of no orders. Indigenisation is incomplete.)

For instance, the Rafale basic aircraft that India is buying is priced at Rs 670 crore. (Dalals using BJP argument in another context! :pound: )

However, even though the price of the Tejas Mark 1A is high in comparison to a Rafale, the government is said to be keen on the programme because of the experience and ability it can bring to the country. (Another BJP argument! :pound:)

Look how ecosystem acts! 2 different sources approach same problem from 2 different angles!

Translation : Fuk Mudi! Mudi must resign! Bring back free PMO junkets for us and envelopes under the table!
 
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These folks needs to figure out the future instead of playing douche bag all along. IAF needs to get it's thumb out of it's ass and make confirmed orders first. you can't sell shit to Malaysia or anyone else if another line isn't authorized.

Seriously what the fuk are the people on PMO and IAF doing?
 

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These folks needs to figure out the future instead of playing douche bag all along. IAF needs to get it's thumb out of it's ass and make confirmed orders first. you can't sell shit to Malaysia or anyone else if another line isn't authorized.

Seriously what the fuk are the people on PMO and IAF doing?
Or maybe HAL needs to change their mindest to IAF-can-fuck-themselves, concentrate on indigenising the subsystems & getting Tejas prepared for export.
It's like they aren't even trying...

Even their work-culture would improve if they're in the "great game".
 

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Or maybe HAL needs to change their mindest to IAF-can-fuck-themselves, concentrate on indigenising the subsystems & getting Tejas prepared for export.
It's like they aren't even trying...

Even their work-culture would improve if they're in the "great game".
HAL is falsely being blamed as it was never HAL which was responsible for Tejas delays. HAl has shown decent skills in indigenisation of Su30. Even in past, HAL had indigenised An32, MiG21 and few other planes which kept Indian defence alive.
 

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@Advaidhya Tiwari @Immanuel

Problem with HAL is they haven't completed their FOC on Tejas MK1 yet. MK1A cost is too high for a basic aircraft and thus design needs some refinement. Orders for FOC variant + upgrades of IOC to FOC standard will keep HAL busy till 2021. By then MK1A can be refined as pressure of Rafale will be relieved by then. Infact tender for 110 fighters will be resolved (Rafale F4 variant will probably be chosen as EF 2000 upgrade path will end by then.) and thus HAL will get massive workshare agreement regardless of winner.

Main thing is at least by 2020 - 21, orders must be firmed up by finalising specifications.

Again I bring this up, if Modi doesn't come along Rafale will go into flat spin and retendering of entire MMRCA will take place thus delaying procurement by 7 - 10 years (if we are lucky). You can forget about Tejas then. It will die like BHIM program, IFV Abhay, Arjun MK1 and other sad cast from graveyard of indigenous defence deals!
 

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Problem with HAL is they haven't completed their FOC on Tejas MK1 yet. MK1A cost is too high for a basic aircraft and thus design needs some refinement. Orders for FOC variant + upgrades of IOC to FOC standard will keep HAL busy till 2021. By then MK1A can be refined as pressure of Rafale will be relieved by then. Infact tender for 110 fighters will be resolved (Rafale F4 variant will probably be chosen as EF 2000 upgrade path will end by then.) and thus HAL will get massive workshare agreement regardless of winner.

Main thing is at least by 2020 - 21, orders must be firmed up by finalising specifications.

Again I bring this up, if Modi doesn't come along Rafale will go into flat spin and retendering of entire MMRCA will take place thus delaying procurement by 7 - 10 years (if we are lucky). You can forget about Tejas then. It will die like BHIM program, IFV Abhay, Arjun MK1 and other sad cast from graveyard of indigenous defence deals!
Modi is coming back. These all are simply tricks to keep people entertained. Elections are not won by these gimmicks that are happening around. There are several other things happening from behind. The reason why Modi is not giving press conference, reason why BJP does not speak against muslims is that there has already been a deal that the enemy will not interfere in India and whatever infrastructure they have will be dismantled slowly by delegitimising. This will obviate the need for Modi to campaign aggressively and they can prevent their destruction for time being.

About HAL, Tejas FOC is done. Only official certification is left and that is only to ensure formality of certain number of tests. The MK1A is coming by FY21 and manufacturing will begin by end of 2021. Till then Tejas IOC and FOC along with trainers will be manufactured.

The rafale that will be coming in MMRCA2 will be indigenous production. Framce has already said that the rafales can run on Kaveri engine and this is an indication that the rafales that will come in next batch of MMRCA2 will have Kaveri engine and hence indigenous production.

HAL will most probably be working towards Tejas MK2 rather than Rafale. Rafale in all likelihood will be made by private firms. Tejas MK2A and AMCA will be made by HAL.
 

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The rafale that will be coming in MMRCA2 will be indigenous production. Framce has already said that the rafales can run on Kaveri engine and this is an indication that the rafales that will come in next batch of MMRCA2 will have Kaveri engine and hence indigenous production.
when France have said that Rafale can run on Kaveri engine...........................???
 

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when France have said that Rafale can run on Kaveri engine...........................???
The speculation that Kaveri will use M88 core came from this itself. Some people imagined that the only way Kaveri can run Rafale is by using M88 core. Whereas the way it appears shows that the MMRCA2 will have indigenous production and use Kaveri engine
 

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Now, IAF wants new canopy for LCA

BANGALORE: The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas aircraft, in its final operational clearance (FOC) configuration will have a new, thicker canopy with the Indian Air Force (IAF) having demanded the same. The same canopy is also to be used in the Tejas Mk-1A aircraft, which will be more advanced.

The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) team has already begun work on redesigning the canopy and put it on the test bed, sources working on the project said.
The Tejas R&D team has reworked the frame to accommodate the new canopy for the advanced model of Tejas, which will measure 24 mm as opposed to the existing 16 mm.

“The existing canopy lining could only hold a 16 mm glass, which had to be changed to accommodate 24 mm. Now the challenge would be to procure fresh glasses, as HAL had already made some purchases of the 16 mm glasses for the canopy, which is of no use now,” a person working on the LCA project said.

Since the changes were made to the structure, Tejas will have to be certified by the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC), which a senior official from the LCA project said will not be a problem as the reworked canopy has tested well on the test bed.

“The IAF has said that they now want the canopy to be able to negotiate a 40gm bird-hit as opposed to the 20gm that Tejas offered earlier. We will have to achieve as part of the FOC,” a senior member privy to developments said.

Besides, the IAF has also asked for mid air-refuelling capabilities in the night, which will see Tejas get another addition: a drogue light at the end of the refuelling probe. “These refuelling tests will also take a few months, as we have only recently achieved the wet tests in the day,” another source said.

While some of these changes has allowed HAL to begin manufacturing of the FOC configuration aircraft—orders for 20 of which have been placed—the defence PSU is banking on new orders of the 83 Tejas MK-1A to revive itself.

As reported earlier by TOI, HAL is staring at a depleting order book, with most of the major orders scheduled to be delivered by March 2020. Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman had recently said that the orders for 83 Tejas worth Rs 50,000 crore are in the pipeline. However, with cost negotiations still ongoing, HAL was unsure when the actual orders might be placed.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...w-and-thicker-canopy/articleshow/67550885.cms
 

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@Advaidhya Tiwari @Immanuel

Problem with HAL is they haven't completed their FOC on Tejas MK1 yet. MK1A cost is too high for a basic aircraft and thus design needs some refinement. Orders for FOC variant + upgrades of IOC to FOC standard will keep HAL busy till 2021. By then MK1A can be refined as pressure of Rafale will be relieved by then. Infact tender for 110 fighters will be resolved (Rafale F4 variant will probably be chosen as EF 2000 upgrade path will end by then.) and thus HAL will get massive workshare agreement regardless of winner.

Main thing is at least by 2020 - 21, orders must be firmed up by finalising specifications.

Again I bring this up, if Modi doesn't come along Rafale will go into flat spin and retendering of entire MMRCA will take place thus delaying procurement by 7 - 10 years (if we are lucky). You can forget about Tejas then. It will die like BHIM program, IFV Abhay, Arjun MK1 and other sad cast from graveyard of indigenous defence deals!
Please LCA FOC delays HAL should be the last to be blamed. LCA continues to have constant changes in requirements. Offcourse the cost of MK-1A will be high, there aren't any official orders. IAF needs to unplug that constipated butthole and actually let shit flow.

Also HAL won't get anything for Rafale. That ship of working on Rafale has sailed. You seem to think MRCA 2.0 will be go to Rafale, that is not a given. Regardless of who is in power.
 

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Please LCA FOC delays HAL should be the last to be blamed. LCA continues to have constant changes in requirements. Offcourse the cost of MK-1A will be high, there aren't any official orders. IAF needs to unplug that constipated butthole and actually let shit flow.

Also HAL won't get anything for Rafale. That ship of working on Rafale has sailed. You seem to think MRCA 2.0 will be go to Rafale, that is not a given. Regardless of who is in power.
HAL brought this upon itself. If you can't pre-empt the market and deliver on time, especially when IAF is not indigenous friendly, they will keep calling on ASQR changes to delay project. MK1A has to be of lower cost, at least half of Rafale basic design as even you will admit the latter is a far superior design. MK1A doesn't even have the ability to touch M 1.8 or supercruise so how can it justify the expense?

Here are the offsets for the Rafale deal. If BJP wins, 1000% chance more will be ordered and manufactured here despite opposition randi rona.





 

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HAL brought this upon itself. If you can't pre-empt the market and deliver on time, especially when IAF is not indigenous friendly, they will keep calling on ASQR changes to delay project. MK1A has to be of lower cost, at least half of Rafale basic design as even you will admit the latter is a far superior design. MK1A doesn't even have the ability to touch M 1.8 or supercruise so how can it justify the expense?

Here are the offsets for the Rafale deal. If BJP wins, 1000% chance more will be ordered and manufactured here despite opposition randi rona.





IAF needs to first make the orders and then talk, the rest is hogwash. Bunch of dots on map only show we are making nothing but nuts and bolts. To believe we are getting some advanced TOT as part of this off set package is delusional.

Also I don't see how MRCA 2.0 will go to Rafale, at best they can do another 36 G2G. All the while they seem in no hurry to actually allocate more budget. Good luck getting this through, there is no money for such large purchases.

MRCA 2.0 will probably just be cancelled since there is no enough money for 110 fighters + all bells and whistles.
 

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IAF needs to first make the orders and then talk, the rest is hogwash. Bunch of dots on map only show we are making nothing but nuts and bolts. To believe we are getting some advanced TOT as part of this off set package is delusional.

Also I don't see how MRCA 2.0 will go to Rafale, at best they can do another 36 G2G. All the while they seem in no hurry to actually allocate more budget. Good luck getting this through, there is no money for such large purchases.

MRCA 2.0 will probably just be cancelled since there is no enough money for 110 fighters + all bells and whistles.
MMRCA 2.0 will go through due to inordinate delay in FGFA.If you can't replace old squadrons quickly enough, fleet size goes down. EADS not interested in Eurofighter upgrades as all money now towards F 35 and next generation fighter jet in 2030s. France via Rafale and Sweden via Gripen are the only two European aircraft makers interested in upgrades beyond 2020s. Gripen is essentially Tejas MK2 so Rafale is obvious choice.
 

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MMRCA 2.0 will go through due to inordinate delay in FGFA.If you can't replace old squadrons quickly enough, fleet size goes down. EADS not interested in Eurofighter upgrades as all money now towards F 35 and next generation fighter jet in 2030s. France via Rafale and Sweden via Gripen are the only two European aircraft makers interested in upgrades beyond 2020s. Gripen is essentially Tejas MK2 so Rafale is obvious choice.
Show me the money honey :basanti:
 

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