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Kim Jong-un falls off the radar as North and South Korea agree to talk
There are feverish rumours of illness, even talk of a coup, as secretive state's leader vanishes from the public eye.

The 31-year-old's walk was somewhere between a limp and a waddle. The speculation was feverish: Kim Jong-un was ill, he was addicted to Swiss cheese, he had gout, he had disappeared – was he still alive?

The question still remains – Kim has not been seen in public for a month – but yesterday, among the many sober suits at the Asian Games in Incheon, South Korea, appeared a Vice Marshal of the Korean People's Army, the North's second most powerful person. Wearing an olive uniform, Hwang Pyong-so had arrived.

In a flurry of diplomacy from the normally undiplomatic Pyonyang, Hwang's delegation also included another senior aide to Kim, Choe Ryong-hae, and Kim Yang-gon, a senior official of the ruling Workers' Party and a long-time veteran of dealings with the South.

That Kim is a sports enthusiast – he is understood to enjoy basketball and football – is well documented, but the real purpose of the delegation's visit soon became clearer. The North has agreed to resume talks, stalled since February, between senior officials either later this month or in November, according to officials from South Korea.

One analyst called it a "golden opportunity" for South Korean President Park Geun-hye to test North Korea's willingness, at the highest levels, to improve shaky ties. The past 12 months had seen a steady stream of insults traded between the divided neighbours and an unusual number of North Korean missile and rocket tests.

The delegation had a closed-door lunch meeting with South Korean Unification Minister Ryoo Kihl-jae and national security director Kim Kwan-jin. It was described by John Delury, an Asia specialist at Seoul's Yonsei University, as "a very high-octane group". He added: "Historically, North-South breakthroughs start from the top down, and if Park is serious that she wants to improve relations and jumpstart the reunification process, this is a golden opportunity."

The last such senior visit south was in 2009, when high-ranking Workers' Party official Kim Ki-nam and spy chief Kim Yang-gon, another official who visited the South yesterday, came to pay their respects to the late liberal South Korean President Kim Dae-jung.

Hwang is reported to still be first deputy director for military affairs in the Organisation and Guidance Department (OGD), a secretive group that used to report directly to Kim Jong-il, Kim Jong-un's father, who died in 2011.

On Friday, Vice News reported that Jang Jin-sung, formerly a key member of Kim Jong-il's propaganda machine, counter-intelligence official and personal poet laureate, had claimed that North Korea was "in the midst of a civil war" in September.

Jang, a defector, was reported to have said members of the OGD had stopped taking orders from the younger Kim. The OGD, Jang said, had effectively taken control of the country, with some seeking to gain wealth through increased foreign trade and open markets. "It's not actually consciously civil war, but there are these two incompatible forces at play," he reportedly said.

The alleged coup is said to have begun last year with Kim Jong-un only serving as a puppet leader while officials from the OGD, including Hwang, pulled the strings. It was, Jang claimed, triggered by the execution in December of Jang Sung-taek, Kim's uncle by marriage, who was a political rival of the OGD.

News of Jang Sung-taek's execution was accompanied by a string of extraordinary insults, branding him a "traitor for all ages" and "despicable human scum" who was "worse than a dog". A 2,700-word state-media report of his trial in a special military tribunal said he had admitted to plotting insurrection and a string of other crimes.

"By Jang dying, Kim Jong-un is now surrounded by the OGD," said Jang Jin-sung of the purge of Kim's uncle.

According to New Focus International, a news website that says it is informed by North Korean "exiles from many levels of society", the OGD has exercised virtual control over North Korea since the department's foundation in the early 1990s.

Last week, it reported on the promotion of Hwang to vice-chairman of the National Defence Commission. "But Hwang's recent promotion, even to a position in a [commission] considered by observers to be a powerful military institution, is not an indicator of rising power so much as existing clout becoming apparent to external light," the website reported.

"Hwang Pyong-so is first deputy director for military affairs in the OGD, whose figures exercised their powers and influence from behind the scenes, deliberately avoiding public and prominent posts."

Jang Jin-sung told CNN this weekend: "The power holders in North Korea are the OGD. They are calling the shots and not the words of one man they do not know. Basically, they are no longer loyal to the ruling king's word."
 

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Looks like North Koreans have figured out that they won't be attacked as long as they keep talking,especially when their leader is sick. That would mean this dance will continue till their leader is ok.
 

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Looks like North Koreans have figured out that they won't be attacked as long as they keep talking,especially when their leader is sick. That would mean this dance will continue till their leader is ok.

But who is going to attack NoKo?? China and to an extent even russia, will not want any action in its backyard.
 

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That is the whole problem, nobody wants to attack them. It's just plain paranoia.
 

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yeah, you can sum it up, no ko is the second pakistan. both of hem have many similarities.
 

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Coup in NK? :rofl:
Looks like some one is bullying the fatty supreme leader !
 

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nothing like coup. Kim suffers from gout and a medical team has been dispatched from Russia according to a report from Moscow.

NK is very active recently in diplomacy with Japan, Russia and now SK. very likely some breakthrough with Japan though Abe has been cautioned by Uncle not to move too fast (such as to visit Pyongyang suddenly).

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nothing like coup. Kim suffers from gout and a medical team has been dispatched from Russia according to a report from Moscow.

NK is very active recently in diplomacy with Japan, Russia and now SK. very likely some breakthrough with Japan though Abe has been cautioned by Uncle not to move too fast (such as to visit Pyongyang suddenly).
Why this sudden diplomatic activity?? And also what breakthrough with japan??

Also what is chinese media saying on all these??
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/world/asia/two-koreas-exchange-fire-at-sea-border.html?_r=0

By CHOE SANG-HUNOCT. 6, 2014

SEOUL, South Korea — South and North Korean navy patrol boats exchanged fire at a disputed western sea border on Tuesday, three days after the two rival nations raised hopes for a thaw in their long-tense relations by agreeing to resume high-level dialogue this year.

No vessel from either side was hit in the exchange of heavy machine guns, said the South Korean military's Office of Joint Chiefs of Staff. But the brief skirmish served as a reminder of how fragile the peace on the divided Korean Peninsula remained.

The episode was set off when a North Korean patrol boat breached the disputed sea border and sailed half a nautical mile into waters controlled by South Korea, military officials said.
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A South Korean navy ship first broadcast a warning to the intruder to return to the North and fired five warning shots. The North Korean vessel responded, firing an unknown number of warning shots in return. Then, the South Korean ship unleashed a barrage of 94 machine-gun rounds, a Defense Ministry official said, speaking on the customary condition of anonymity.

The encounter, in the Yellow Sea about 75 miles west of Seoul, ended in about 10 minutes as the North Korean ship retreated, he added.

Armed standoffs along the western sea border, commonly known as the Northern Limit Line, or N.L.L, are not unusual.....
 

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Why this sudden diplomatic activity?? And also what breakthrough with japan??

Also what is chinese media saying on all these??
Kim Jung-Un has steered NK to shift to economic development as priority. Meanwhile Japanese PM Abe seeks to break diplomatic isolation since getting sour with China, S.Korea and Russia due to territorial spats and sanctions on Russia after the Ukraine crisis additionally. Japan has tried to tip a balance btwn 2 Koreas (playing one against the other) despite the superficial anti-NK stance.

North Korea's business - Global Times

Regarding NK-Japan relations

Inoki meets with North Korea's ceremonial head of state | The Japan Times
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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/16/national/politics-diplomacy/u-s-warns-abe-visiting-north-korea/
The United States has urged Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to refrain from visiting North Korea, with Secretary of State John Kerry warning such a trip could disturb trilateral coordination involving Tokyo, Washington and Seoul to rein in Pyongyang's missile and nuclear programs
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The ministers will discuss how to raise the bilateral trade to $1 billion. They will also discuss the progress of implementing major investment projects, including functioning of an multi-modular transhipment center at the North Korean port of Rajin, as well as new programs which are being implemented on the principle of "Russian equipment and investments in a swap for Korean mineral resources."



NK athletes at the Asian Games Inchon


Many S.Koreans are in favour of resuming "reconciliation" policies of previous presidents, and "reunification" . They wave the "peninsula flag" while NK flag is forbidden in SK.
 

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The encounter, in the Yellow Sea about 75 miles west of Seoul, ended in about 10 minutes as the North Korean ship retreated, he added.

Armed standoffs along the western sea border, commonly known as the Northern Limit Line, or N.L.L, are not unusual.....
@Casper The difference btwn NK and SK's claims over the western sea (the Yellow Sea in Chinese) border lines

What below map indicates is not the latest incident


Usually NK patrol boats cover their fishing trawlers in the disputed water - the fishing grounds. Both sides normally don't shoot at each other, but just make warning shots .
 
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Is South Korea ready to take over control of troops on peninsula? - News - Stripes

South Korea maintains control of its own forces during peacetime. That responsibility, known as OPCON, or operational control, would transfer during open conflict to the top U.S. military official on the peninsula, where some 28,500 American troops are stationed as a deterrent to a North invasion.

Although wartime OPCON is scheduled to transfer to Seoul in December 2015, the two allies now are expected to delay the handover for a third time — a prospect that has some current and former South Korean defense officials breathing a sigh of relief.

"If the North Korean threats disappear now, it would be possible to take over wartime OPCON next year," said Park Songkuk, a retired lieutenant general and former superintendent of South Korea's Air Force Academy. "Until North Korea's ability to threaten us with its nuclear program is gone, I don't think it's time for us to get OPCON."

Some think the switch will leave South Korea more vulnerable to attacks by the North, but others feel Seoul is ready for the responsibility.

"I think the South Koreans have a lack of confidence in their own capabilities, and they shouldn't," said Brad Glosserman, executive director of the Pacific Forum CSIS in Honolulu. "They're very good at what they do."

South Korea requested the delay last year following North Korea's third nuclear test and a particularly tense period of heightened threats from Pyongyang.

The transfer originally was planned for 2007 but was delayed to 2012. It was then pushed forward to 2015 amid questions about the South's readiness for the job following the North's attacks on South Korea's Cheonan warship and an artillery attack on the civilian-populated Yeonpyeong border island in 2010.
Seoul's reluctance to approve an updated cost-sharing agreement on the expenses of stationing U.S. forces on the peninsula led to complaints that it wasn't paying a fair share in defending the country. Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the East-West Center in Honolulu, said most analysts say South Korea isn't ready to accept responsibility for the transfer, and there would be a dropoff in capability if it takes place next year. Critics worry that South Korea does not yet have the advanced intelligence, surveillance, missile defense and other capabilities it would need to seamlessly interoperate with and lead a warfight with the U.S.
:p These buddies all want a free ride with Uncle.
 

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https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/520443461963902977
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So has he been removed?? Is his sister the new "Dear Leader" or "Supreme Leader" or whatever??

If he has been removed, wonder what is going on in SoKo, japan, china, russia, and usa intelligence agencies?? When did they get the news?? What are they doing on this?? It would interesting to be the fly on the wall in those offices.
 
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Can't call my self a big fan of Kim but objectively speaking he (and his team) has a pretty good grip over the country. The stability during his absence just attests to this. And NK is improving its economy steadily. Mark my word!~!~ Don't get carried away with those "leaks" from the rumour mill. Perhaps South Koreans like Israelis are the best at psy-war :pound:

Pyongyang - Not isolated but with regular tourists



 

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North Korea's Kim Jong Un Ends Long Public Absence
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un has made his first public appearance in 40 days, the nation's state-run news agency reported. The appearance, posted on the Korean Central News Agency's website and dated Oct. 14, said that Kim, 31, showed up at a newly built housing development and toured the grounds. There were no pictures included in the report.

Kim hadn't been seen in public since attending a state concert with his wife on Sept. 3, walking with a limp, leading to questions about his health and the country's future leadership. But KCNA made no mention of that. It reported that on the same day as the tour of the residential complex, Kim also visited another new state project, the Natural Energy Institute of the State Academy of Sciences. The Obama administration told NBC News it was still trying to determine the report's authenticity. "The reports are certainly plausible," a senior administration official said. "Our assessment throughout this period has been that the government has been and continues to function as normal."
 

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The worst dictator of todays age is back. I feel bad that he is still alive. I was hoping he would be dead.
 

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Rogers says Korea to unify within 5 years
Rogers says Korea to unify within 5 years
OFF TOPIC with Jim Rogers

By Daniel P. Collins

October 10, 2014 "¢ Reprints

The Alpha Pages: We and our readers are interested to know what you learned on your trip to North Korea.

Jim Rogers: People have mobile phones everywhere. I was allowed to take my mobile phone into the country and my computer. I could not do that before. They didn't work, but I could take them into the country. I could have applied to the government to get access, don't know if they would give it to me, but I was only there five days.

Many Asian countries are having goods manufactured in North Korea. They are doing a lot of business. A lot of things are happening already, more than I realized. I certainly knew the Chinese were pouring in. When I crossed the border I was amazed that there were hundreds of Chinese crossing the border. I went and saw the new docks that the Chinese and Russians are building. I was in a town called Rason. Rason is the Northern-most ice-free port in Asia. The Russians have just built a new dock there. Everything I am telling you is happening now. It is not something that is going to happen. This is all new stuff that America is not talking about because it takes a while for American bureaucrats to catch on to what is going on in the world. It is exciting; unfortunately since I am a citizen of the land of the free there is nothing I can do.

TAP: You talk about investing. Are there any industries there to invest in?

JR: In the 1970s North Korea was richer than South Korea; communism can ruin anything, it certainly ruined North Korea. They have vast mineral resources that can be exploited, will be exploited. The communists didn't do a very good job but there is plenty of stuff to be exploited. Fishing: They have coastlines on both sides of the border. Manufacturing: They are cheaper than China, probably cheaper than most places in the world.

TAP: Is the new regime building a manufacturing base similar to what China did several decades ago?

JR: I was only in this one region this time but I saw that manufacturing is exploding. One company I saw went from having three or four factories five years ago to having 16 factories. Small, but that is the sort of thing that is happening.

TAP: Is this all happening under the radar? Do you have any expectation that there will be an official [reform]? A free market experiment [as] in China?

JR: The [United States] will be the last to know and certainly the last to announce just as we were in China, just as we were in Russia, just as we were in Myanmar. It's happening. The Japanese went there and had a big wrestling festival. Wrestlers from all over the world were there. They had an international marathon in North Korea this year. You can take bicycle tours in North Korea now. This is not something that is going to happen, it is happening now. And these things were totally inconceivable three years ago before the old man died but it is all happening. You don't read about it in the American press because the American press is controlled by the State Department and by American propaganda. Japanese Prime Minister Abe loosened some of the sanctions against North Korea. You don't know about it because you live in [America].

It's happening because of the kid. [Kim Jong-un] grew up in Switzerland. He knows it's a different world. There is a black market now in just about everything. The Koreans know there is all sorts of stuff.

TAP: Where do you see this going: A year from now, five years from now and 10 years from now?

JR: North and South Korea will merge within five years and then Korea will be the most exciting country in the world for a decade or two. No one else will agree with that but I will remind you that if someone said in 1985 that Germany would be unified in five years they would have the same reaction you did.

TAP: Technically South Korea and the United States are still at war with North Korea; doesn't America have to have a role in having that happen?

JR: America still has [28,500] troops stationed in South Korea. America is part of the situation; part of the problem if you ask me because they put on these war games every year. If country X is putting on war games with Canada every year what do you think America's reaction would be? They have these war games every year, partly because they have always had these war games and bureaucracy grinds very slowly. I had dinner with the South Korean Defense minister earlier this year and I said to him — he knew about my predictions — why don't you call off the war games next year. He was shocked, he never thought of such a thing.

TAP: Hasn't North Korea fired on South Korea recently?

JR: You read the American press. What happened was South Korea and American were having war games shooting live ammunition in rehearsal and a lot of it landed on a North Korean island and the guys shot back. What would you do? Yeah that happened. Not the way it was presented in the American press.

TAP: North Korea has been a force for destabilization in the world; the United States spends a lot of money helping to defend South Korea so you would think this would be good news and welcome. Why isn't the United States part of this?

JR: You would think everything that you just said. It would be fantastic for America, for Korea, for the world, for Northeast Asia if this stops. In America you have no clue as to what is going on. There are forces at work that prosper from, thrive on this state of affairs.

TAP: Does not being a part of this damage the United States in terms of global competition?

JR: We don't want this to happen. We have [28,500] troops in South Korea and with reunification those troops will have to leave. The pentagon likes having troops stationed in Northeast Asia. When reunification comes I assure you part of the deal is going to be American troops go home. There are lots of people who defend the status quo. It happens with Cuba. Many people are [investing] in Cuba, not us.

TAP: Were you able to talk to any government officials?

JR: Yeah, I went to see them, they want me to invest; they want us all to invest. There is a whole department designed to attract foreign investment. There were all sorts of incentives they were giving, etc. I had to say I am sorry, I'd like to do something but I am an American citizen and it is illegal. I am now in the process of trying to find out what is illegal and what isn't. I have the impression that everything is illegal.

TAP: Did you meet will Kim Jong-un or any of his trade ministers?

JR: I was in Rason. I wanted to go to Rason because that is where the Russians just rebuilt the railroad across Siberia into Rason and that is where they are rebuilding the port. Rason is going to become the most important port in Asia in the next decade or two. If you put goods on the train in Rason, they get to Berlin two weeks earlier [than the current alternative]. Putin knows this, the Koreans know this, the Chinese just put in a railroad across China and Kazakhstan to get things to Europe much faster so geography is changing as we speak. You wouldn't know it if you watch (American TV).

I went to the market, you could get anything. Stuff that I don't even have myself. It is all there. All the food you want. If you want ice cream you got it. Good ice cream.

TAP: From what you said there appears to be an acceptance of this even in the South. Are there signs of a softening of the tensions, some cooperation?

JR: I was quoted on the front page of the largest South Korean newspaper in December talking about unification coming, and that it would make Korea the most exciting country in the world. You would then have a country of 75 million people on the Chinese border with vast natural resources in the North with cheap, educated, disciplined labor combined with vast amounts of capital and knowledge in the South. There is no country in the world that would be as exciting. To my shock and delight, the president of South Korea in her New Year's address talked about how this American said it is going to be a jackpot when we unite. Most politicians would have ignored it. She didn't, she picked up on it and said 'this could be a jackpot for Korea.' So some people are thinking about it. The polls now favor unification in the South. Even Japan is opening up to the changes. The biggest opponent at this point is Washington, D.C. The Chinese and Russians are all in there.

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Interesting insights. and DPRK urges Seoul to respond to proposal for reunification through loose federation

The upcoming Oct. 10 marks the 34th anniversary of the proposal, which was made by late DPRK leader Kim Il Sung in a bid to establish a low-level reunified national state that allows the two sides exercise regional autonomy and different ideologies.






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