Kim Jong Il - DEAD!

thakur_ritesh

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Is this the best thing that would have happened to NoKo? What if his son is someone who is free thinking and embraces the west? I wonder if the South Koreans and the west will reach out to him and see if he is got over to "their side"? Chinese would do everything to stop that but then since the successor is so young, he could be different from his father and grand father. The people who are used to their great and dear leader will follow the young leader as well. I hope he has brains.

If China loses NoKo, it has no one in Pacific belt to call a friend.
thats one of the rarest of the possibilities.

you are talking about hardened commies here, who want the reunification on their terms with china giving them a constant backing.

the best chance really is if the rok or US or others from the other camp can penetrate deep enough and give their all out support and one of the generals is willing to take it up and with large scale instability within dprk, the US and rok setp in quick enough, and take over the charge.

else the commies and chinese have too much of a strangle hold to let it ease of that easy.
 

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Most likely the son - heir apparent Kim Jung-un is but a figurehead while generals operate behind the scene.

Late Kim must have realized his days were numbered thus he had promoted his confidants incl. his sister and bro-in-law to key posts and turned on propaganda machine to pave the way for the "dear leader" (20-30 something).

Kim Jong-il's eldest son Kim Jong-nam has been leading a cozy 'exiled' life in Macau and grandson quite heatedly stalked and reported by SK paparazzi most recently after his admission into a Sarajevo international school
 
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Communism and dynasties....
Maoist brand of communism is fuedalism in a diffrent name..
 

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Chung Yun Sik, the Seoul-based chief investment officer for equities at ING Investment Management Korea Ltd., which oversees about $16 billion, comments on the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.

"We saw panic selling today amid concerns tensions on the Korean peninsula may intensify. ''If China comes out this time and gives supporting comments for Kim Jong Un as successor, I think South Korean financial markets will quickly stabilize. ''When North Korea's founder, Kim Il Sung, died, markets stabilized quite fast.''

China Support for Kim Jong Un Key to Stabilization, ING Says - Bloomberg

Looks Like S.K. is expecting China as saviour for N.K. again.
 

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On other hand..... Japan wants stable N.K. which is possible, If successor take control with support of China otherwise nuclear capable N.K. without government is dangerous for S.K. and Japan.

Defense Min: To Do Everything To Monitor N Korea Situation

TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Japan's defense minister said Monday that Japan would do everything it could to closely watch developments in North Korea following the reported death of leader Kim Jong Il.

"I've issued instructions (to the defense ministry) to do everything to establish an alert, monitoring stance," said Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa, speaking to reporters.

Earlier Monday, North Korean state television said Kim Jong Il had died of fatigue during a train ride Saturday.

In response to the report, Japan's government has called an emergency national security meeting.
 

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North Korea: Half a century of conflict and hostility


North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il's death at the age of 69 has plunged his country into uncertainty.

Here are key dates in the history of a troubled and secretive nation which has been embroiled in rows with its neighbour South Korea and with world powers over its nuclear


1945: Japan's colonial rule over Korea ends with its World War II surrender. Korea is divided at the 38th parallel between the North, backed by the Soviet Union, and the South, supported by the United States.

1950-53: After Soviet and US troops leave the Korean peninsula, the North invades the South and war breaks out. The US intervenes on behalf of the South as part of a United Nations force, and China on the side of the North.

The war leaves an estimated four million dead. The US retains a major military presence in the South.

1988: The US imposes sanctions on North Korea after putting the country on its list of nations supporting terrorism.

1989: US satellite pictures reveal a nuclear reprocessing plant at the Yongbyon complex.

1994: The US comes close to war with North Korea over its removal of spent fuel rods from the Yongbyon reactor. Ex-president Jimmy Carter defuses the crisis with a visit to Pyongyang, which vows to freeze and dismantle its nuclear programme in return for energy aid.

1998: North Korea fires first long-range ballistic missile.

2002: US President George W. Bush names North Korea as part of an "Axis of Evil".

The 1994 accord breaks down after US accusations that the North has a secret nuclear weapons programme using enriched uranium.

2003: North Korea withdraws from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Six-way nuclear talks start in Beijing in August.

2005: For the first time, North Korea states that it has nuclear weapons.

2006: North Korea carries out its first nuclear test on October 9, sparking international condemnation and more UN sanctions.

2007: North Korea agrees in February to scrap its nuclear facilities in return for economic aid and diplomatic benefits. In July, North Korea says it has closed down its main nuclear site.

2008: In June, North Korea blows up the cooling tower at Yongbyon to show its commitment to nuclear disarmament.

In October, Washington removes North Korea from its terrorism blacklist.

2009: April 5: The North launches a long-range rocket and announces it will quit the six-party talks and restart its Yongbyon complex after UN condemnation.

May 25: North conducts its second nuclear test, sparking tougher UN sanctions.

2010: March 26: Forty-six sailors die when a South Korean warship sinks near the North Korean border. International investigators later say it was sunk by a North Korean torpedo, an accusation the North denied.

November 12: North Korea unveils uranium enrichment plant to visiting US scientists. Experts say it could be reconfigured to make atomic weapons.

November 23: North fires shells at a South Korean island, killing four.

2011: July 22: North and South Korean nuclear envoys meet in Bali to discuss possible resumption of six-party talks.

October 24-25: US and North hold a second bilateral meeting, in Geneva, but make no breakthrough.

December 19: North Korean state media say Kim Jong-Il died two days previously of a heart attack at the age of 69, and urge people to support his son and heir apparent Kim Jong-Un. A funeral is scheduled for December 28.


-- South Korea places all troops on emergency alert, Japan calls an emergency security meeting and the US says it is "closely monitoring events".

North Korea: Half a century of conflict and hostility - Hindustan Times
 

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North Koreans rally around Kim Jong Il's heir

North Korea on Monday urged its 24 million people to rally behind 20-something heir-apparent Kim Jong Un as the nation mourned the death of supreme leader Kim Jong Il.

South Korea, meanwhile, put its military on high alert, while people in the streets of Pyongyang broke into tears as they learned the news that Kim had died at the age 69 of heart failure. The United States said it was in close contact with allies South Korea and Japan.

The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the country, people and military "must faithfully revere respectable comrade Kim Jong Un."

"At the leadership of comrade Kim Jong Un, we have to change sadness to strength and courage and overcome today's difficulties," it said.

Kim Jong Il unveiled his third son Kim Jong Un as his successor a year ago, putting him in high-ranking posts. Little is known about the younger Kim, who is believed to be in his 20s.

Kim Jong Un regularly accompanied his father on trips around the country over the past year. Kim Jong Il inherited power after his father, revered North Korean founder Kim Il Sung, died in 1994.

South Korea's police were placed on a high alert after Kim's death, according to the National Police Agency, and the South Korean parliament convened emergency committee sessions on national defense, intelligence and unification affairs. South Korean President Lee Myung-bak put the military on alert and convened a national security council meeting.

The South Korean and U.S. militaries have bolstered reconnaissance and are sharing intelligence assets on North Korea, according to Seoul's Defense Ministry. About 28,500 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea.
 

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Most likely the son - heir apparent Kim Jung-un is but a figurehead while generals operate behind the scene.

Late Kim must have realized his days were numbered thus he had promoted his confidants incl. his sister and bro-in-law to key posts and turned on propaganda machine to pave the way for the "dear leader" (20-30 something).

Kim Jong-il's eldest son Kim Jong-nam has been leading a cozy 'exiled' life in Macau and grandson quite heatedly stalked and reported by SK paparazzi most recently after his admission into a Sarajevo international school
i was really waiting for your post on this. :)
 

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A notorious dictator in dynastic politics? Or rather a remarkable strategist in geopolitics?

Kim had managed to keep NK surviving among powers Russia, China, SK, Japan and the US.

China alone fought 3 wars for Korea
- Ming Dynasty warding off Japanese and restoring Korean kingdom (1592-1598)
- Qing Dynasty losing Korea to Japan and ceding Taiwan after the navy was completely smashed (1894-1895)
- Korean War, China+NK against the UN force, truce along 38 parallel (1950-1953)
 

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Fatty Kim jong un will take over now.He looks like an egg.
 
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Now i wonder will his son take his position and rule the country smoothly.
 

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i dont for a second believe something as huge as sinking of that ship happened without the chinese in the loop, no, not happening. chinese are way too smart for such a thing to happen without them knowing about it.

though a little far fetched, but that comes across as saying that pakistanis didnt know that OBL was in pakistan all the time.

we can be reasonably sure the higher ups would hvae known about it.
If the koreans didnt inform China on the nuclear test, why you think they will inform the chinese on something as trivial as Cheonan?:rolleyes:
 

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The bugger looks like a small scale yorkshire pig.IF we cook him iam pretty sure the whole of DFI can feast on him
 

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Poor soul, must due to the hard work. Keeping a harem is serious work.

 

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