Kashmir Fateh Thread August 2019

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  1. Indrajit

    Indrajit Senior Member Senior Member

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    Why I said history is never in black and white. What you see depends on where u sit. It’s why different people interpret differently the same piece of history. Since this is intra our nation, we have varying interpretation available to us.

    @ashdoc has a thread on the 3rd battle of Panipat where he says the Marathas had no friends in North India because of their habit of looting even fellow Hindus. An interesting and must read piece.
     
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    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Where is the fucking letter?

    The last link you posted only talked about letters written by Tipu to Shankracharya, not the other way around. It also mentioned Tipu giving money to repair the damages done to the Peeth during his father Haider Ali's campaigns.

    The link clearly says the Hosts under Maratha commander Patwardan foolishly plundered Sringeri. The host means locals and foolishly means the Peeth is downplaying it or saw it as a mistake, not contempt.
     
  3. Haldiram

    Haldiram Senior Member Senior Member

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    I read Ashdoc's piece, it is accurate. The Marathas and the Northern Hindu kings were both of the view that they can do it all alone and the other is just an eyesore, and both parties ended up paying the price for this miscalculation for wanting to have the entire pie for themselves. These are calculated political risks one takes, but neither of the disagreeing parties was anti-Hindu, they were just anti-eachother. It's like Modi and Advani playing their inside politics for the throne.

    None of those "other Hindu kingdoms" wrote poems about the skirmishes with Marathas; It was all forgotten and forgiven as insider competitiveness. But the way the two principalities of Surat and Bengal were, where the civilians were happily paying tributes to the prevailing Muslim kings. Helping the enemy, and being happy about it..umm.. dat kinda happiness ain't gon last very long. This set of people were happily anti-Hindu in their behavior. Both these set of "Hindus" are very different kind of people, so they got different treatment. One is insider competitiveness, the other is insider treachery.

    The raids of Bengal and Surat are not seen with the undercurrent of regret. There's nothing to regret there. Let us ask @ashdoc if he thinks the Surat and Bengal raids ought not to have happened. The Sringeri issue is a tactical incident where even the people of Sringeri don't raise it today but people from the other principalities who got hammered raise that issue on behalf of others.

    The lessons from Panipat, especially, the mistake of not taking Northern Hindu kingdoms along is still taught as a very bad mistake which cost very heavily. It is used as a metaphor for failure in local folklore. Bollywood has tried to misinterpret the defeat into Congress's version of "moral victory". No one wants such moral victories. A loss is a loss and profit from raiding traitors is still a profit.
     
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  4. ashdoc

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    During time of peshwa bajirao friendly relations had developed between marathas and north Indians due to his policy of hindu badshahi . After nadirshah looted delhi a plan to put the udaipur rana on delhi throne using combined rajput maratha army was hatched but did not materialize due to bajirao's untimely death.

    But after his death his son peshwa nanasaheb began looting north Indians. When ishwari singh became rana of jaipur using maratha help the marathas began to blackmail him for money on pain of whole jaipur being looted . Ishwari singh committed suicide and jaipur was seething with anger against marathas. The next ruler madho singh invited marathas to get their money and when they were in the gates of jaipur were closed from inside and 3000 marathas were massacred.
     
  5. Sanglamorre

    Sanglamorre Regular Member

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    Guys, please shift this discussion to a. Appropriate history thread. Posting it as an offtopic in an PKMKB thread is doing injustice to both the interesting topic being discussed and the thread meant for entirely different topic.

    Please, my sincerest request.
     
  6. Sourav Kumar

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    It's one thing to attack and loot a prominent temple by mistake and it's another thing to loot the poor subjects of a province then ruled by a Muslim nawab (like many other provinces of India of those days). The marathas made that mistake. They needed the loot from poor subjects and the wikipedia article says that the marathas were interested in plundering and not capturing those areas.

    If I were a poor subject there on the west side of bhagirathi river, I would seriously crib about the double whammy of double txation (ie loot) by the Nawab and the Marathas. It was good that Marathas could not do it for more than 10 years. In any case they were overstretched and they could not go beyond bhagirathi! But in Bengali some poor folk made some folk song on that. Seriously speaking "Bargis" had no deep psycholgical impact, LOL. Just 10 years of plundering in 1200 years of subjugation- seriously? Is that even supposed to count?

    Ideally if marathas could bring the west side of bhagirathi under their territory, the subjects would pay tax to them as well. But it seems the Marathas could not afford to care about the double taxation pain on poor subjects!
     
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    Bengal invasion was necessary to demoralize Muslim rule in Bengal. Interestingly only that part of Bengal is with India today that was raided by marathas. Rest is Bangladesh. But the peshwa nanasaheb was jealous of raghuji bhosale of nagpur who was invading Bengal. He thought that if raghuji conquered Bengal then he would become too powerful. So he himself went to Bengal and defeated raghuji .
     
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  8. Sourav Kumar

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    The fact that WB is in India has nothing to do with Marathas- the peshwa and the bhosles. It is about demography. Even after marathas were gone, the Muslim nawabs of Bengal had their capital city in west side of the former undivided Bengal and yes, demographically "Hindus" were majority there.
     
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    Yes but maratha invasion remained just a series of raids and not actual conquest due to nanasaheb interfering in raghuji's invasion. It should have resulted in conquest not just raids .

    Overall nanasaheb was not great like bajirao . He started looting hindus and also was responsible for sending women and unnecessary camp followers to panipat. He also destroyed the maratha navy because the maratha admiral ( son of the great kanhoji angre) was acting too independent.
     
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  10. tarunraju

    tarunraju Sanathan Pepe Moderator

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    Since there isn't much happening in Kashmir, I think this thread has run its course. Thanks for the epic discussion.

    Jai Hind, PKMKB.

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