Jinnah made a mistake and I am ashamed of being Pakistani!

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whatever the reason gandhi supported separatists.
even when they were not fighting for their own land or freedom.
there is no connection between khilafat and separate pakistan
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separate pakistan was a demand of muslim league
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and khilafat was demand of muslims cause king of turkey is known as a religious person for muslims
 

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@Neo don't you know what jina said before he died, he said," pakistan is his lifes biggest mistake"
Another lie by Indian media, Jinnah was know for his integrity anf passion for his struggle for Pakistan.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant".

Robert McCloskey
 
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@Ray sir , sorry I forgot that
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and also forgot refering to 1947 , so made claims about pakistan and wb
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and ya gandhi was a great man, and as I have stated he like other man was unable to see future
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if he would knew that his sign will cause such a terribly , then he wouldn't have signed
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and in 2013, many people will have raised questions like he was puppet of british that's why he didn't sign
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though it was a mistake by gandhi
I don't buy that.

For a man who swore that Partition would be over his dead body, his agreeing to Partition means either he did not know what he said or he was incapable of living up to honour his word.

He was ready to accept that his words are hollow?

Zaban men wazan hona chahie
 
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Another lie by Indian media, Jinnah was know for his integrity anf passion for his struggle for Pakistan.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant".

Robert McCloskey
Fine.

so you say Jinnah had only passion for power and not for ideology?
 

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wow! Double Wow!

Great stuff.

Sadly there was no Pakistan or West Bengal then. May I suggest that you update your knowledge please since it causes confusion as to which timeline of history you are alluding to.

I would like to inform you that On receiving the news of Noakhali, Ashutosh Lahiry, the General Secretary of Hindu Mahasabha immediately left for Chandpur. Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee, Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee and Pandit Narendranath Das, along with other workers flew to Comilla and entered the affected area with military escorts.

Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee, the working President of the Bengal Provincial Hindu Mahasabha, Debendranath Mukherjee, the general secretary and Nagendranath Bose, the Assistant Secretary proceeded to the affected areas of Noakhali and Tipperah.

I mention this part of history that you may have missed.

I am not votary for any religious organisation or parties, but then I am a devotee of the truth ahd reality and not subjective agendas.

Gandhi was a great man, but then others should not be forgotten either.
Gandhi can be termed as a great man because of his Non Violent methods and ideas. But he cannot be termed a great man with respect to India's freedom movement or as a national leader.
 

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Another lie by Indian media, Jinnah was know for his integrity anf passion for his struggle for Pakistan.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant".

Robert McCloskey
Another lie by Indian media, Jinnah was know for his integrity anf passion for his struggle for Pakistan.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant".

Robert McCloskey
Here is my answer to you and your Pakistan.

I didn't say it was altered but titles like these are a magnet for trolls and since this section remains unmoderated, you won't see any constructive or productive debate.

Why should a Pakistani be ashamed of Jinnah? Was he gay like Gandhi or Nehru who were getting banged by Lord Mountbatten?

I am not ashamed to be a Pakistani, au conttaire I am a proud patriot.
Sixty seven years after the partition you might have booked some visible progress and have formed strong institutions but India remains an artificial state with communal devide. Gujarat massacre is a proof that India is potential time bomb that can go off easily at anytime and any place.
Just two.decades ago you were running to IMF for money and almost defaulted again 15 years ago. One third of your country is conyrolled by Maoists where military has no power. Assam region is another political and economic failure.

I look into these problems and huge challenges India is facing today I thank Allah for.giving me Pakistan. We do have our demons.to fight but then again I believ in Mohameds words that 'I am strong when.I am weak'. We will overcome current problems and rise again. We always have...
You wanted the title to be changed and more respect being shown to Pakistani guests on this forum.

I mentioned that it was the original title of the news item of a known Pakistani newspaper.

We normally don't change the original.

Indeed this forum does minimum moderation. That is what makes us different.

This forum proudly appreciates freedom of speech and thought and we actually celebrate with utmost joy this unique gift of democracy.

Unlike you, who deify Jinnah, this very thread indicates the freedom of speech and thought that we allow even in matters of India and not shy away from knowing what people feel.

It is when freedom turns to licence that we interject.

It is delightful to learn that you are a proud Pakistani and a proud patriot. Bully to you. There are many Pakistanis who do not share that view sadly, including this lady who has penned the article.

As a proud Pakistani and a proud patriot, you would do your country well, if you indicate how this lady Pakistani is wrong. That would enlighten us, rather than your tomtoming your CV out here and how proud a Pakistani patriot you are. I am convinced you are one and do you think that this great fact should be the centre of this thread?

Yes we have communal issues and none can deny. But then we are not like Pakistan which does ethnic cleansing so that there is no reasons to have any communal issues.

Isn't it delightful for Pakistan that they create conditions wherein 5,000 Hindus migrate from Pak yearly?

5,000 Hindus migrate from Pak yearly

TRANS ASIA NEWS
ISLAMABAD: Around 5,000 Hindus are migrating from Pakistan to India every year, a member of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has revealed in the National Assembly, DawnNews reported on Tuesday.

MNA Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani commenting on law and order situation in the country said that six incidents of religious desecration happened within last two months in Sindh, majority of the incidents were regarding burning the religious books of Hindu minority in the province.
Vankwani said that it was the constitutional rights of the people, belonging to different minorities, to practice their religion freely in Pakistan. "Are we not part of Pakistan?" he questioned.

He said that influential people were forcefully converting religion of Hindu girls in interior Sindh, urging the government to take steps to counter such attempts from Muslim majority in the country.

The lawmaker also said that it was the teaching of all the religions to respect other faiths but the minorities had failed to get equal rights in Pakistan.

Read more for your education,Neo, at:
5,000 Hindus migrate from Pak yearly | TOP NEWS | Trans Asia News Service - Breaking News, Business News and All Latest News from Asian Prespective
Note it is from Dawn which is a respected English newspaper of Pakistan.

Now, how many Muslims are migrating to Pakistan from India?

Any links or guesses?

So, that much for your feigned concern for Indian Muslim.

Maybe you would like to see what Indian Muslims have to say to Pakistani to include your President Musharraf


But are you any better even though you are a theocratic state with one religion where that religions law apply to all to include those who do not practice Islam?

Is there such a religious law in India where a single religions law applies to those who do not follow that religion. In fact, in India the religions have their own Personal Laws! So, go figure before you accuse.

Indeed there is insurgency and Maoist.

But then Pakistan is burning. NW, Balochistan, Punjab, Sindh, Balwaristan and all over.

And what is worse, Muslims are killing Muslims and they are so daft that they find and declare each other as not true Muslims and go for their jugular and daily kill innocents even when they are in deep prayer and trying to be good Muslims.

I thought you all call each other Mian (brother) and even Indian Muslims address all so. Is it genuine or is it taqiyya?

No state of India is an economic or a political failure. Banish that thought.

Indeed WB and IMF was working in India. But are they now?

What about Pakistan?

Bonded labour to them even now.

Bonded labour to the US.

And even to China.

So, look into your heart and then speak.

I am distressed to point all this to you since I respect you, but then I would fail in my duty not to do so.

Being a patriot should not blind one to reality.

Now, lastly, was Nehru and Gandhi gay? Were they being 'banged' (to use your quaint phrase) by Louis?

Any links to justify the same. Of course, it would do you good not to use some trash Pakistani link.
 
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Another lie by Indian media, Jinnah was know for his integrity anf passion for his struggle for Pakistan.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant".

Robert McCloskey
Only idiots would not understand the meaning. Plus, living in denial is what Pakistan is best at.
 

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Another lie by Indian media, Jinnah was know for his integrity anf passion for his struggle for Pakistan.

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant".

Robert McCloskey
Jinnah ate Pork and used to drink Wine so he was not even a Muslim.

The foundation of Islamic Pakistan is laid by a Un-Islamic guy.:wave:
 

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Pakistan is a nation or contradiction and is struggling hard to find an identity.

Not only whether it is a democracy or is it Islamic or is it a dictatorship or an anarchy.

It is not democratic, since it changes with irritating regularity from a democracy to a military State and vice versa. it is of late that some continuity of democracy is cosmetically seen, while the military continues to wield a big stick at the back.

It is not Islamic since they massacre each other when the profess the same God, the same Holy Book, the same Prophet all because of a minor temporal issue which is not even spiritual!!!!!

To be precise, the difference between the sects started as to who shall wield POWER. That mindset permeates the Islamic world even now everywhere! So, nothing is wrong with the religion. It is just that the adherents quest and lust for POWER that differentiate them and they gleefully kill each other!

Is it an anarchy?

Guess who is running the country?

None.

All are Khalifas,the Govt, the terrorists, the Army, the ISI, the Sipahi al whatever and the Sabah al whatever and that coot Hafiz al whatever.
 

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Jinnah ate Pork and used to drink Wine so he was not even a Muslim.

The foundation of Islamic Pakistan is laid by a Un-Islamic guy.:wave:
Jinnah took pride to be an Englishman and not a Muslim.

He spurned marrying into the religion and preferred to marry a Parsi since they were also very Anglicised.

Jinnah was a jolly good fellow, if you ask me.

Pakistanis are such fools that though Jinnah was a Shia, they fudged everything to declare him a Sunni, as if Sunnis are the only true Muslims!

I am aghast that the Pakistani Muslims shed tears for Indian Muslims.

At least the India Muslims can pray in peace and live well while in Pakistan they do not know if they will return after praying at the Mosque or not face the next day a bomb attack by an organisation of a different sect!

It is a daily fight to life in Pakistan.

And not so in India.

They in Pakistan are so daft that they don't care for their children. They prefer to leave them crippled for life, rather than allow polio drops.

Are they educated?
 
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@Ray, all I want to say at this point is Thank you for granting me the right of free speech in this forum. I will only use it to counter the trolls maligning Pakistan in this section.

As for Jinnah's idiology, he didn't live long enough to built strong insitutions based on his idiology. Pakistan was orphanned at very early age and failed to produce strong leaders.
 
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@Ray sir

sir it's first time i am opposing you
gandhi may had done some good things in south africa.
but in india he only delayed the independence and leaded us towards partition.
in my eyes he is not that great
If Nehru had shown flexibility to share power with Jinnah, India would have spared the massive bloodshed and partition, please be informed that Jinnah was not keeping well then and his life span was short. If Nehru and Gandhi have showed some adjustments then, but alas Gandhi was determined to put Nehru with absolute power"¦

The biggest failure of Congress is that they could not counter Muslim League politically, who were playing into the Muslims fear psychosis.
 
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@Ray, all I want to say at this point is Thank you for granting me the right of free speech in this forum. I will only use it to counter the trolls maligning Pakistan in this section.

As for Jinnah's idiology, he didn't live long enough to built strong insitutions based on his idiology. Pakistan was orphanned at very early age and failed to produce strong leaders.
I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I would extend this to all who are here on this forum.

I have been trolled, abused and what have you. I have not exercised any draconian measures that are at my disposal.

Debate is the sole way to prove what one wants to state and not stifling opinions.
 
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there is no connection between khilafat and separate pakistan
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separate pakistan was a demand of muslim league
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and khilafat was demand of muslims cause king of turkey is known as a religious person for muslims
my question is why he supported khilafat while knowing it was demand of muslims?

and if khilafat was demand of muslims cause then gandhi is also responsible for mixing religion into politics.
 

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