Jinnah made a mistake and I am ashamed of being Pakistani!

[Neo]

Extremely sorry. The title has not been altered. What will you reply with. Your nation is on the verge of being a failed state, people are having these kinds of thoughts, like mentioned in OP.

I didn't say it was altered but titles like these are a magnet for trolls and since this section remains unmoderated, you won't see any constructive or productive debate.

Why should a Pakistani be ashamed of Jinnah? Was he gay like Gandhi or Nehru who were getting banged by Lord Mountbatten?

I am not ashamed to be a Pakistani, au conttaire I am a proud patriot.
Sixty seven years after the partition you might have booked some visible progress and have formed strong institutions but India remains an artificial state with communal devide. Gujarat massacre is a proof that India is potential time bomb that can go off easily at anytime and any place.
Just two.decades ago you were running to IMF for money and almost defaulted again 15 years ago. One third of your country is conyrolled by Maoists where military has no power. Assam region is another political and economic failure.

I look into these problems and huge challenges India is facing today I thank Allah for.giving me Pakistan. We do have our demons.to fight but then again I believ in Mohameds words that 'I am strong when.I am weak'. We will overcome current problems and rise again. We always have...

 

[Ray]

Chaps, you are young and you are not of that time or heard the miseries that I have experienced and seen.

Therefore, one can understand how you react to things that you only know out of books that are agenda driven and disingenuous about the reality.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Then Voldemort is wrong and Gandhi was not the tallest Indian at that moment.

many muslims were much more attracted towards muslim league and jinah
.
the politics of formation of pakistan starts from 1905 , cursons politics of dividing indians
.
them tilak accepting separate seats for muslim
.
then savarkar saying india is land of hindu and they should rule it
.
and later two or three committees gave their call for united india but muslim league opposed it
.
and some small riot started in india
.
to avoid this , gandhi accepted new proposal of partition
.
.
and don't forget ONLY GANDHI WAS THE POLITICIAN FROM INDIA AND PAKISTAN WHO TRAVELLED TO WEST BENGAL FOR NON VIOLENCE

 

[POSSIBLE]

@POSSIBLE
.
helping bose would have have a chance to arrest gandhi
.
do you even know how history is written?
.
history is written by written proof and not by aggressive talks
.
if gandhi wouldn't have signed partition treaty then it would have been turned into terrorism, rapes of hindu woman, riots

i was talking about the time when bose was in india and just quitted the congress.
yes i have readed history gandhi was jealous of bose because he was rising voice of youth that's why he rejected what ever bose come up with.
that's why bose quilted the congress committee and acted independently.

who gave Mr. right to support the bose's home arrest?

It was Gandhi who categorized bhagat sing sukhdev and rajguru as terrorist NO ONE ELSE.

Gandhi was nothing but the puppet of British government.

another example of history manipulating

nothing about the emergency of 1977 is written in our high school history books.

nothing about barber's inversion in India and Massacre of approx 80 million hindus to build Islamic kingdom

 

[Voldemort]

I didn't say it was altered but titles like these are a magnet for trolls and since this section remains unmoderated, you won't see any constructive or productive debate.

Why should a Pakistani be ashamed of Jinnah? Was he gay like Gandhi or Nehru who were getting banged by Lord Mountbatten?

I am not ashamed to be a Pakistani, au conttaire I am a proud patriot.
Sixty seven years after the partition you might have booked some visible progress and have formed strong institutions but India remains an artificial state with communal devide. Gujarat massacre is a proof that India is potential time bomb that can go off easily at anytime and any place.
Just two.decades ago you were running to IMF for money and almost defaulted again 15 years ago. One third of your country is conyrolled by Maoists where military has no power. Assam region is another political and economic failure.

I look into these problems and huge challenges India is facing today I thank Allah for.giving me Pakistan. We do have our demons.to fight but then again I believ in Mohameds words that 'I am strong when.I am weak'. We will overcome current problems and rise again. We always have...

LOL is this what they teach you in madrassas?

Major riots happen once every 2 decades in India but blasts, sectarian killings happen on a daily scale in Pakistan.

Communal divide, you say, with a Muslim being the chief of Intelligence Bureau who kicked the asses of ( terrorist state) Pakistan sponsored Indian Mujahideen, and a former President?

The Maoists stay in jungles in rural areas and dont blow themselves up daily in metropolitan cities.

And when it comes to economy, I wont embarrass you further.

There are less birds and more Predators flying around the skies of Pakistan.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

LOL is this what they teach you in madrassas?

Major riots happen once every 2 decades in India but blasts, sectarian likkings happen on a daily scale in Pakistan.

Communal divide, you say, with a Muslim being the chief of Intelligence Bureau who kicked the asses of ( terrorist state) Pakistan sponsored Indian Mujahideen, and a former President?

The Maoists stay in jungles in rural areas and dont blow themselves up daily in metropolitan cities.

And when it comes to economy, I wont embarrass you further.

There are less birds and more Predators flying around the skies of Pakistan.

I wonder you replied to him! Well his comment was nothing but a sign of depression .

 

[POSSIBLE]

many muslims were much more attracted towards muslim league and jinah
.
the politics of formation of pakistan starts from 1905 , cursons politics of dividing indians
.
them tilak accepting separate seats for muslim
.
then savarkar saying india is land of hindu and they should rule it
.
and later two or three committees gave their call for united india but muslim league opposed it
.
and some small riot started in india
.
to avoid this , gandhi accepted new proposal of partition
.
.
and don't forget ONLY GANDHI WAS THE POLITICIAN FROM INDIA AND PAKISTAN WHO TRAVELLED TO WEST BENGAL FOR NON VIOLENCE

muslim league was a small group of narrow minded people without any reputation it was gandhi who supported their khilafat andolan and granted them power.

 

[Neo]

Your last sentence says enough about your expertise in Pakistan affairs.
Good day!

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

muslim league was a small group of narrow minded people without any reputation it was gandhi who supported their khilafat andolan and granted them power.

it was tilak who granted wish of muslim league by giving muslims separated seats in election or by giving muslims reservation

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@Neo don't you know what jina said before he died, he said," pakistan is his lifes biggest mistake"

 

[POSSIBLE]

it was tilak who granted wish of muslim league by giving muslims separated seats in election or by giving muslims reservation

I am talking about public support.
you can't do anything about public support and gandhi was the one who provided them public support.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

I am talking about public support.
you can't do anything about public support and gandhi was the one who provided them public support.

khilafat's aim wasn't separate pakistan but opposition to british

 

[POSSIBLE]

Your last sentence says enough about your expertise in Pakistan affairs.
Good day!

good bye

pakistan occupied kashmir the named it azad kashmir supplied weapon to indian mujahideen's and causing trouble in india
utilising resources of pok, earning 50 crores from only one plank placed in pok and the whole budget of pok is about 10 crores.
osama was hiding in pakistan now dowed is hiding in pakistan.
we know more then enough to cruse pakistan for his dual nature.

 

[Ray]

I didn't say it was altered but titles like these are a magnet for trolls and since this section remains unmoderated, you won't see any constructive or productive debate.

Why should a Pakistani be ashamed of Jinnah? Was he gay like Gandhi or Nehru who were getting banged by Lord Mountbatten?

I am not ashamed to be a Pakistani, au conttaire I am a proud patriot.
Sixty seven years after the partition you might have booked some visible progress and have formed strong institutions but India remains an artificial state with communal devide. Gujarat massacre is a proof that India is potential time bomb that can go off easily at anytime and any place.
Just two.decades ago you were running to IMF for money and almost defaulted again 15 years ago. One third of your country is conyrolled by Maoists where military has no power. Assam region is another political and economic failure.

I look into these problems and huge challenges India is facing today I thank Allah for.giving me Pakistan. We do have our demons.to fight but then again I believ in Mohameds words that 'I am strong when.I am weak'. We will overcome current problems and rise again. We always have...

You wanted the title to be changed and more respect being shown to Pakistani guests on this forum.

I mentioned that it was the original title of the news item of a known Pakistani newspaper.

We normally don't change the original.

Indeed this forum does minimum moderation. That is what makes us different.

This forum proudly appreciates freedom of speech and thought and we actually celebrate with utmost joy this unique gift of democracy.

Unlike you, who deify Jinnah, this very thread indicates the freedom of speech and thought that we allow even in matters of India and not shy away from knowing what people feel.

It is when freedom turns to licence that we interject.

It is delightful to learn that you are a proud Pakistani and a proud patriot. Bully to you. There are many Pakistanis who do not share that view sadly, including this lady who has penned the article.

As a proud Pakistani and a proud patriot, you would do your country well, if you indicate how this lady Pakistani is wrong. That would enlighten us, rather than your tomtoming your CV out here and how proud a Pakistani patriot you are. I am convinced you are one and do you think that this great fact should be the centre of this thread?

Yes we have communal issues and none can deny. But then we are not like Pakistan which does ethnic cleansing so that there is no reasons to have any communal issues.

Isn't it delightful for Pakistan that they create conditions wherein 5,000 Hindus migrate from Pak yearly?

5,000 Hindus migrate from Pak yearly

TRANS ASIA NEWS
ISLAMABAD: Around 5,000 Hindus are migrating from Pakistan to India every year, a member of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has revealed in the National Assembly, DawnNews reported on Tuesday.

MNA Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani commenting on law and order situation in the country said that six incidents of religious desecration happened within last two months in Sindh, majority of the incidents were regarding burning the religious books of Hindu minority in the province.
Vankwani said that it was the constitutional rights of the people, belonging to different minorities, to practice their religion freely in Pakistan. "Are we not part of Pakistan?" he questioned.

He said that influential people were forcefully converting religion of Hindu girls in interior Sindh, urging the government to take steps to counter such attempts from Muslim majority in the country.

The lawmaker also said that it was the teaching of all the religions to respect other faiths but the minorities had failed to get equal rights in Pakistan.

Read more for your education,Neo, at:
5,000 Hindus migrate from Pak yearly | TOP NEWS | Trans Asia News Service - Breaking News, Business News and All Latest News from Asian Prespective

Note it is from Dawn which is a respected English newspaper of Pakistan.

Now, how many Muslims are migrating to Pakistan from India?

Any links or guesses?

So, that much for your feigned concern for Indian Muslim.

Maybe you would like to see what Indian Muslims have to say to Pakistani to include your President Musharraf


But are you any better even though you are a theocratic state with one religion where that religions law apply to all to include those who do not practice Islam?

Is there such a religious law in India where a single religions law applies to those who do not follow that religion. In fact, in India the religions have their own Personal Laws! So, go figure before you accuse.

Indeed there is insurgency and Maoist.

But then Pakistan is burning. NW, Balochistan, Punjab, Sindh, Balwaristan and all over.

And what is worse, Muslims are killing Muslims and they are so daft that they find and declare each other as not true Muslims and go for their jugular and daily kill innocents even when they are in deep prayer and trying to be good Muslims.

I thought you all call each other Mian (brother) and even Indian Muslims address all so. Is it genuine or is it taqiyya?

No state of India is an economic or a political failure. Banish that thought.

Indeed WB and IMF was working in India. But are they now?

What about Pakistan?

Bonded labour to them even now.

Bonded labour to the US.

And even to China.

So, look into your heart and then speak.

I am distressed to point all this to you since I respect you, but then I would fail in my duty not to do so.

Being a patriot should not blind one to reality.

Now, lastly, was Nehru and Gandhi gay? Were they being 'banged' (to use your quaint phrase) by Louis?

Any links to justify the same. Of course, it would do you good not to use some trash Pakistani link.

 

[POSSIBLE]

khilafat's aim wasn't separate pakistan but opposition to british

muslim league's aim was pakistan so the khilafat's

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

muslim league's aim was pakistan so the khilafat's

in ww1 british was in was with turkistan and its king is known as foreson of paigambar
.
khilatfat's aim was if turkey loses , the kingdom of its king should not be changed or taken away from the king
.
and gandhi supported it.

 

[Ray]

many muslims were much more attracted towards muslim league and jinah
.
the politics of formation of pakistan starts from 1905 , cursons politics of dividing indians
.
them tilak accepting separate seats for muslim
.
then savarkar saying india is land of hindu and they should rule it
.
and later two or three committees gave their call for united india but muslim league opposed it
.
and some small riot started in india
.
to avoid this , gandhi accepted new proposal of partition
.
.
and don't forget ONLY GANDHI WAS THE POLITICIAN FROM INDIA AND PAKISTAN WHO TRAVELLED TO WEST BENGAL FOR NON VIOLENCE

wow! Double Wow!

Great stuff.

Sadly there was no Pakistan or West Bengal then. May I suggest that you update your knowledge please since it causes confusion as to which timeline of history you are alluding to.

I would like to inform you that On receiving the news of Noakhali, Ashutosh Lahiry, the General Secretary of Hindu Mahasabha immediately left for Chandpur. Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee, Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee and Pandit Narendranath Das, along with other workers flew to Comilla and entered the affected area with military escorts.

Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee, the working President of the Bengal Provincial Hindu Mahasabha, Debendranath Mukherjee, the general secretary and Nagendranath Bose, the Assistant Secretary proceeded to the affected areas of Noakhali and Tipperah.

I mention this part of history that you may have missed.

I am not votary for any religious organisation or parties, but then I am a devotee of the truth ahd reality and not subjective agendas.

Gandhi was a great man, but then others should not be forgotten either.

 

[POSSIBLE]

in ww1 british was in was with turkistan and its king is known as foreson of paigambar
.
khilatfat's aim was if turkey loses , the kingdom of its king should not be changed or taken away from the king
.
and gandhi supported it.

whatever the reason gandhi supported separatists.
even when they were not fighting for their own land or freedom.

 

[POSSIBLE]

wow! Double Wow!

Great stuff.

Sadly there was no Pakistan or West Bengal then. May I suggest that you update your knowledge please since it causes confusion as to which timeline of history you are alluding to.

I would like to inform you that On receiving the news of Noakhali, Ashutosh Lahiry, the General Secretary of Hindu Mahasabha immediately left for Chandpur. Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee, Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee and Pandit Narendranath Das, along with other workers flew to Comilla and entered the affected area with military escorts.

I mention this part of history that you may have missed.

I am not votary for any religious organisation or parties, but then I am a devotee of the truth ahd reality and not subjective agendas.

Gandhi was a great man, but then others should not be forgotten either.

@Ray sir

sir it's first time i am opposing you
gandhi may had done some good things in south africa.
but in india he only delayed the independence and leaded us towards partition.
in my eyes he is not that great

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@Ray sir , sorry I forgot that
.
and also forgot refering to 1947 , so made claims about pakistan and wb
.
and ya gandhi was a great man, and as I have stated he like other man was unable to see future
.
if he would knew that his sign will cause such a terribly , then he wouldn't have signed
.
and in 2013, many people will have raised questions like he was puppet of british that's why he didn't sign
.
though it was a mistake by gandhi