JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Steven Rogers]

1. it seems you have to raise your question when PA get their new tank Finally, let's see what they choose in the end and When?....VT-4 is priced at over 5 million USD and the Ukrain competitor asked for around 3.5 million in that early bidding.

Unlike our tradional weapon buyer, Pakistan is a normal commercial customer .our Defence industry learned a lot in early International Competitive bidding and Contract performing...we often read some memoirs of the old generation of salesman mentioning this learning curve...nowadays , the new Gen and the Defence indsutry has new stategy. and we understand some international buyers better then ever.

since you are in the same subcontinent ,and used to be under the same Colonial Rule, maybe you could understand more than us...lol...I saw quite some similarity in your defence tenders.

2. we don't think PAF want another fighter similar to F-16 class...obviously , trying to get more F16 or having the F16 upgraded is more important and effective than setup a new system for a new same class/Generation fighter.

yes, J-10C got the permission and is offered to international market last year. it seems aiming the country east to your territory.

J-10CE(J-10C Export)

You are exporting j10s since the last 10 years, how many did you actually sold.

 

[shiphone]

LOL...funny
your early claim....so you began to claim that JF17 has so called ”composite FBW“？？

Roll and Yaw axis, it has analog fbw, while on pitch axis its Digital FBW, the setup is called composite system...

but still wrong ....on those two axis, it's Hydro-Mechanical Control, not Digital FBW,not Analog FBW, essentially, not FBW...but JF-17 has analog FBW module, when you cut off the digital flight control computer, the Flight Control system would be downgraded to analog FBW(pitch axis) and Mechanical Control( Roll and Yaw) . the plane would obtain the basic flight control ability for landing.

that also suggest, the design is relatively stable at yaw and roll

lol... you know nothing ,do you? all most every plane is stable on these two axis...

how could be unstable on yaw and roll axis of a airplane flight control??????????????
and what layout causes the so called unstable on the pitch axis?...explain to us...

actually you need only explain the 2nd question ,then the first is also solved

 

[Armand2REP]

lol... the expert level idiot can't help jump out to show the ignorance and pathetic comprehension again and again? unbelievable...actually this idiot is only specialized on Trolling...a pathetic Spiritual French, we all can understand where this thing really come from

How good is your Junk Fighter when Pakistan is purchasing used Mirage 5s from Egypt?

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24626/Pakistan_To_Get_Egyptian_Mirage_5_Jets__Report

It is unbelievable the crap your 50 cent keyboard puts out expecting people to believe you have a tri-array AESA radar that is only air-cooled and could still function in that heat much less expecting anyone to believe a Junk Fighter that is being delayed to induct ancient Mirage 5s that flew before I was born is of any quality. PAF would literally pick up the junk of Arab airforces and use that than purchase your overheating AESA radars.

 

[Steven Rogers]

LOL...funny
your early claim....so you bagan to claime that JF17 has so called ”composite FBW“？？View attachment 35819


but still wrong ....on those two axis, it's Hydro-Mechanical Control, not Degital FBW,not Analog FBW, basicly, not FBW



lol... you know nothing ,do you? all most every plane is stable on these two axis...

how could be unstable on yaw and roll axis of a airplane flight control??????????????
and what layout causes the so called unstable on the pitch axis?...explain to us...

actually you need only explain the 2nd question ,then the first is also solved

Does jf17 has ailerons?
If dont, then care to explain why it is roll stable....
Depends on the rudder for yaw control, most of modern aircrafts have computer aided flight control which makes the yaw control stable(controls the rudder) . Now since you claim jf17 doesnt have even analog flight controls(which most of the pakis claim) at yaw axis but actually a hydro-mechanical control, that made sure that paki pilots have to work harder to control those the flight of the aircraft rather focusing on the mission... Composite fcs, is what stated by pakis on their website..... And it shows how poor it is implemented....

 

[Steven Rogers]

How good is your Junk Fighter when Pakistan is purchasing used Mirage 5s from Egypt?

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24626/Pakistan_To_Get_Egyptian_Mirage_5_Jets__Report

It is unbelievable the crap your 50 cent keyboard puts out expecting people to believe you have a tri-array AESA radar that is only air-cooled and could still function in that heat much less expecting anyone to believe a Junk Fighter that is being delayed to induct ancient Mirage 5s that flew before I was born is of any quality. PAF would literally pick up the junk of Arab airforces and use that than purchase your overheating AESA radars.

They are choosing their aesa since the last 4re years..... That suggest how pathetic their aesa development is..:-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

 

[shiphone]

LOL...stop BSing...the USAF F-15s are all Hydro-Mechanical controlled.....hahahahaha....

again...what layout causes the so called unstable on the pitch axis?...explain to us...

we are waiting....

 

[Steven Rogers]

LOL...again

what layout causes the so called unstable on the pitch axis?...explain to us...

we are waiting....

The cog is shifted to make aircraft unstable, but since as you said Jf17 has hydro mechanical control(suggest pilot can control the aircraft, which is not the case for the fast moving unstable aircraft) on the two axis, the aircraft is total stable or slight unstable, the cog shift increases the pitch of the aircraft and increases the rotation of side by side, which increases the instability, and thus you put a digital fbw so that a computer can do what a pilot cant............

 

[shiphone]

The cog is shifted to make aircraft unstable,.

what is so called 'cog' here ?....would you plz explain how cog shifted? to where? any schematic diagram? .....

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come on, the B737MAX is still being banned for flight....LOL

 

[Steven Rogers]

what is so called 'cog' here ?....would you plz explain what cog? any schematic diagram? .....

come on, the B737MAX is still being banned for flight....LOL

You dont even clearly understand your own picture.... Cog states for centre of gravity of the aircraft and it is maintained to a neutral point for an stable aircraft, however when it is pushed beyond that the aircraft becomes unstable, relaxed static stability suggest, the return of an aircraft to the stability it was earlier after an unstable maneuver made by it.... LOOK, OBSERVE, AND LEARN from your own picture.....

 

[shiphone]

LOL...neutral point? what's that?

oh, just forget my picture....show us YOUR picture to explain so called 'COG shifted away from so called neutral point', I'm sure there are loads of them on the internet...

and your COG is shifted to WHERE???? your COG is shifting on which axis? lol

 

[Steven Rogers]

LOL...neutral point? what's that?

oh, just forget my picture....show us YOUR picture to explain so called 'COG shifted away from so called neutral point', I'm sure there are loads of them on the internet...

and your COG is shifted to WHERE???? your COG is shifting on which axis? lol

Neutral point of an aircraft is a mathematical analysis of the longitudinal static stability of a complete aircraft (including horizontal stabilizer) yields the position of center of gravity at which stability is neutral.

• The longitudinal static stability of an aircraft is significantly influenced by the distance (moment arm or lever arm) between the cog and the aerodynamic centre of the airplane.
• Their are loads of picture based on cog, neutral point aerodynamic centre, COL and other aerodynamic terms. If the net is banned in china, use VPN...
• Depends upon the change, all the three axis are involved depends upon the change.
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[shiphone]

oh....here comes this wiki finally, yeah ,he made it in the end....lol...' yeah...it is longitudinal things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_static_stability

the coward hid the ' picture' and some parts:

in full

Neutral point

A mathematical analysis of the longitudinal static stability of a complete aircraft (including horizontal stabilizer) yields the position of center of gravity at which stability is neutral. This position is called the neutral point.[1] (The larger the area of the horizontal stabilizer, and the greater the moment arm of the horizontal stabilizer about the aerodynamic center, the further aft is the neutral point.)

The static center of gravity margin (c.g. margin) or static margin is the distance between the center of gravity (or mass) and the neutral point. It is usually quoted as a percentage of the Mean Aerodynamic Chord. The center of gravity must lie ahead of the neutral point for positive stability (positive static margin). If the center of gravity is behind the neutral point, the aircraft is longitudinally unstable (the static margin is negative), and active inputs to the control surfaces are required to maintain stable flight. Some combat aircraft that are controlled by fly-by-wire systems are designed to be longitudinally unstable so they will be highly maneuverable. Ultimately, the position of the center of gravity relative to the neutral point determines the stability, control forces, and controllability of the vehicle.[1]

and

Near the cruise condition most of the lift force is generated by the wings, with ideally only a small amount generated by the fuselage and tail. We may analyse the longitudinal static stability by considering the aircraft in equilibrium under wing lift, tail force, and weight. The moment equilibrium condition is called trim, and we are generally interested in the longitudinal stability of the aircraft about this trim condition.

I was just waiting the AOA concept coming into your early statements...obviously the uncontrollable AOA increase over the limit is very dangerous . that's why we are interested in the longitudinal stability and the control

 

[Steven Rogers]

oh....here comes this wiki finally, yeah ,he made it in the end....lol...' yeah...it is longitudinal things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_static_stability

in full, the coward hid the ' picture' and this part:







I was just waiting the AOA concept coming into your early statements...obviously the uncontrollable AOA increase over the limit is very dangerous . that's why we are interested in the longitudinal stability

You keep entertaining others and will not stop humiliating yourself would you........... The guy who is so ignorant of Centre of gravity, neutral point, static, neutral and dynamic stability, comes with words rather than an explanation...... Kindly go and read the Wikipedia article completely, watch youtube videos for better explanation then open the books from aerospace engineering courses, else keep entertaining us...........

 

[shiphone]

LOL...pathetic indeed...but good night for now
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the training of JF-17s before the openning of the Airshow Paris 2019. it will open tomorrow, some members of us are already there with media pass as usual. lol...three jets, one for statics display and two for flying demo(one for backup)

Aviation International News

 

[Steven Rogers]

LOL...pathetic indeed...but good night for now
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the training of JF-17s before the openning of the Airshow Paris 2019. it will open tomorrow, some members of us are already there with media pass as usual. lol

Aviation International News

And they bat for this aircraft, really hilarious..... Ioc variant of LCA 3re years back performed way better than this trash and thats when the environment temperature was above 35 degrees.

 

[Steven Rogers]

How good is your Junk Fighter when Pakistan is purchasing used Mirage 5s from Egypt?

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24626/Pakistan_To_Get_Egyptian_Mirage_5_Jets__Report

It is unbelievable the crap your 50 cent keyboard puts out expecting people to believe you have a tri-array AESA radar that is only air-cooled and could still function in that heat much less expecting anyone to believe a Junk Fighter that is being delayed to induct ancient Mirage 5s that flew before I was born is of any quality. PAF would literally pick up the junk of Arab airforces and use that than purchase your overheating AESA radars.

They choose mirages over Jf17 for a failed bombing mission, what else you expect, crashing their junk directly in the name of operation....

 

[Steven Rogers]

LOL...pathetic indeed...but good night for now
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the training of JF-17s before the openning of the Airshow Paris 2019. it will open tomorrow, some members of us are already there with media pass as usual. lol...three jets, one for statics display and two for flying demo(one for backup)

Aviation International News

Indeed pathetic display . Couldnt manage to complete a single maneuver,always has to dive down to regain momentum and energy ,and thats too when it has to perform for 6,7 min that means when the thrust to weight is over 1. Couldnt even manage to perform the much sold figure of 8g maneuvers ,and china want to sell these craps ,try it in the black market ,you will get good sales...

 

[Deathstar]

Indeed pathetic display . Couldnt manage to complete a single maneuver,always has to dive down to regain momentum and energy ,and thats too when it has to perform for 6,7 min that means when the thrust to weight is over 1. Couldnt even manage to perform the much sold figure of 8g maneuvers ,and china want to sell these craps ,try it in the black market ,you will get good sales...

Nope, the Chinese are aware of JF17s capabilities thats why even they have not inducted JF17s into their Air Force LoL

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

@shiphone
Since most of us can understand Chinese,
let me try to translate...

AWACS: Warning!! Enemy planes approaching!!

Pilot: No worries we have our superior JF-17 blunder! We are untouchable!

Radar: enemy missile approaching.

Pilot: Goodbye world!

 

[WolfPack86]

Turkey will finish deliveries of 50 Aselpods by end of this year. These pods are already integrated with Jf17 fleet. So far, atleast 16 pods have already been delivered.