Japan's PM vows to help Philippines amid China row

[no smoking]

You mean back stabbing huh ?

Funny, after initiating his "forward policy", our indian friends still got their gut to call "back stabbing"!
Let's get it straight, you sent the troops, you setup the post even beyond the border claimed by yourself and you ordered to "throw Chinese out of". You were asking for a war! After you lose this war, you still claimed that you have no idea why? Go back and learn some true history.

 

[kseeker]

Funny, after initiating his "forward policy", our indian friends still got their gut to call "back stabbing"!
Let's get it straight, you sent the troops, you setup the post even beyond the border claimed by yourself and you ordered to "throw Chinese out of". You were asking for a war! After you lose this war, you still claimed that you have no idea why? Go back and learn some true history.

You are calling us as friends itself is an irony !

True history ? Well, we don't have any desire to learn the Chinese version of True history ! We know how true you are (Chinese) to your words !!!

 

[aerokan]

Funny, after initiating his "forward policy", our indian friends still got their gut to call "back stabbing"!
Let's get it straight, you sent the troops, you setup the post even beyond the border claimed by yourself and you ordered to "throw Chinese out of". You were asking for a war! After you lose this war, you still claimed that you have no idea why? Go back and learn some true history.

Yo dumbass!! How many times do I have to tell you that it's China who backstabbed first before we initiated the forward policy. Forward policy was initiated after repeated incursions and increasingly grabbing more and more bites of Indian land by China. I wish something penetrates your thick skull.. Please stop spewing the BS that you learnt from your CCP as true history.

 

[no smoking]

You are calling us as friends itself is an irony !

True history ? Well, we don't have any desire to learn the Chinese version of True history ! We know how true you are (Chinese) to your words !!!

Well, there is nothing personal!

Why don't you learn some true history written by your own people!

Sino-Indian War: Why did China invade India in 1962? – A Lucid treatment | Wikipedia Aficionado - No veo, no oigo, no hablo.
Why India lost the 1962 border war?
Ajit Vadakayil: WHY INDIA LOST THE SINO INDIAN WAR OF 1962- CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

If you think these indians are just some socialists, then please read what american navy officers wrote,
The China-India Border War

All these indicates one thing: india was not some innocent victim of Chinese trick. Your leaders and your army were already involved in the a series of skirmish with China proactively and war was one of their plans. There were no trust or friendly attitude from both side long before the war. The only reason you lost was you didn't see that Chinese was also preparing the war.

 

[kseeker]

Well, there is nothing personal!

Why don't you learn some true history written by your own people!

Sino-Indian War: Why did China invade India in 1962? – A Lucid treatment | Wikipedia Aficionado - No veo, no oigo, no hablo.
Why India lost the 1962 border war?
Ajit Vadakayil: WHY INDIA LOST THE SINO INDIAN WAR OF 1962- CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL

If you think these indians are just some socialists, then please read what american navy officers wrote,
The China-India Border War

All these indicates one thing: india was not some innocent victim of Chinese trick. Your leaders and your army were already involved in the a series of skirmish with China proactively and war was one of their plans. There were no trust or friendly attitude from both side long before the war. The only reason you lost was you didn't see that Chinese was also preparing the war.

Did you bother to read those articles completely ?

One of the article has following excerpts

In conclusion, I would like to say something that still hurts me 40 years later. Some authors have written that the Chinese attack came as a response to India's 'forward policy'. This is utter nonsense. The Chinese had prepared this attack for at least two or three years before.

We saw ample evidence of this on our road to the camp. How ammunition had been stocked, how they were prepared in every field. The PoWs from the Ladakh front confirmed that they too had observed the same state of meticulous preparation. I can give you a few other examples: one day, much to our delight, a Chinese woman came and recited some of Bahadur Shah Zafar's poems to us. The Chinese had certainly prepared for this war most diligently because they had interpreters for every Indian language right in the front lines.

We lost that war, we never denied that fact ! But again, fact still remains unchanged ! It was a back stabbing by Chinese !!!

On one hand you sung song with us saying " HINDI - CHEENI BHAI BHAI " on the the other hand you invaded us ! What you refer to that, a friendly gesture ?

I don't anticipate that your Brainwashed mind would ever going to accept this. So, don't try to brainwash us with your age old BS.

 

[no smoking]

Did you bother to read those articles completely ?

One of the article has following excerpts

We lost that war, we never denied that fact ! But again, fact still remains unchanged ! It was a back stabbing by Chinese !!!

On one hand you sung song with us saying " HINDI - CHEENI BHAI BHAI " on the the other hand you invaded us ! What you refer to that, a friendly gesture ?

I don't anticipate that your Brainwashed mind would ever going to accept this. So, don't try to brainwash us with your age old BS.

That is funny, when all the facts listed by these articles indicates that India was also preparing a war and in certain area it already started a war by deploying its troop beyond the border claimed by itself, you are still accusing Chinese back stabbing you?

 

[kseeker]

you are still accusing Chinese back stabbing you?

I am not accusing, that was a fact and still remains the same ! Chinese back stabbed us, PERIOD.

 

[ice berg]

That is funny, when all the facts listed by these articles indicates that India was also preparing a war and in certain area it already started a war by deploying its troop beyond the border claimed by itself, you are still accusing Chinese back stabbing you?

Playing the victim suits their national psyche well. First it was the British, then the Chinese and then the Pakistan, then.. you get the drill.

 

[bose]

Playing the victim suits their national psyche well. First it was the British, then the Chinese and then the Pakistan, then.. you get the drill.

No one can compete with China, on begging for apology...

 

[ice berg]

I am not aware we are in a d... measuring contest. Tough words from a country who are yet to receive one for the Bengal farmine. But hey that is another topic.

 

[Zero_Wing]

Wow try to fed your own lies to yourselves

 

[Tshering22]

MDTS is a double edge sword.

If US has guaranteed the protection of Japan, Korea and Philippines, then it will have to honour it.

Otherwise, Japanese and Koreans at least, will remove the US yoke, nullify all pacifist agreements with US and start to ramp up militarization.

They may not like each other but if repeated poking becomes too much, they will militarize rapidly.
And both of them are capable enough to easily do it within a short time.

 

[Zero_Wing]

MDTS is a double edge sword.

If US has guaranteed the protection of Japan, Korea and Philippines, then it will have to honour it.

Otherwise, Japanese and Koreans at least, will remove the US yoke, nullify all pacifist agreements with US and start to ramp up militarization.

They may not like each other but if repeated poking becomes too much, they will militarize rapidly.
And both of them are capable enough to easily do it within a short time.

totally true but it will bad for the host country too because they will serve as the front lines that war god forbid though

 

[Tshering22]

totally true but it will bad for the host country too because they will serve as the front lines that war god forbid though

You need to develop a strong military, my friend.

Philippines military is serious under-equipped for aerial and naval combat. Your army is good at counter-terrorism against Jihadis but you need to have serious CAS capabilities to make the lives of soldiers on the ground as easier.

There are many secondary but useful aircraft you can consider equipping yourself with:

Light attack/counter-insurgency aircraft like:

1- Embraer 314 Super Tucano:

2- KAI KT-1 Woongbee:

3- Pilatus PC-21

And attack jets like:

1- KAI- TA-50

2- L-159 Alca

3- Yak-130

4- BAE Hawk

5- Alenia M-346

None of these are frontline fighters but can engage in light combat.

It costs money but that's what your government will have to do.

USA is in a bad shape with one endless war that is taking a toll of it and the rest of the world and it won't enter another especially when the confrontation will be with China and that too over you.

The only way you can take on a threat even if it is impossible to defeat, is to show that you will not take it lying down.

And for that, you need some serious firepower from the air.

Also, you will need some good surface-to-ship missiles and SAMs so that you can have coastal batteries of these all across your islands in case you see an impending invasion from the sea and air.

 

[Zero_Wing]

You need to develop a strong military, my friend.

Philippines military is serious under-equipped for aerial and naval combat. Your army is good at counter-terrorism against Jihadis but you need to have serious CAS capabilities to make the lives of soldiers on the ground as easier.

There are many secondary but useful aircraft you can consider equipping yourself with:

Light attack/counter-insurgency aircraft like:

1- Embraer 314 Super Tucano:

2- KAI KT-1 Woongbee:

3- Pilatus PC-21

And attack jets like:

1- KAI- TA-50

2- L-159 Alca

3- Yak-130

4- BAE Hawk

5- Alenia M-346

None of these are frontline fighters but can engage in light combat.

It costs money but that's what your government will have to do.

USA is in a bad shape with one endless war that is taking a toll of it and the rest of the world and it won't enter another especially when the confrontation will be with China and that too over you.

The only way you can take on a threat even if it is impossible to defeat, is to show that you will not take it lying down.

And for that, you need some serious firepower from the air.

Also, you will need some good surface-to-ship missiles and SAMs so that you can have coastal batteries of these all across your islands in case you see an impending invasion from the sea and air.

We are the New Modernization law is already pass and we have projects that has already been approved by the Government but we have to make due of a limited budget good news we will begin construction of coastal watch system since someone finally won the bet its Raytheon will be doing it again limited budget we still waiting for the FA50 we already sign contracts with korea and but no news for the delivery and we still wait for the our three AgustaWestland AW109 Power naval helicopters coming this December and we still wait for bids for our helicopter carrier (Strategic Sealift Vessel (SSV) & Multi-Role Vessel (MRV - Amphibious Transport Dock) and a new set of Multi-purpose Attack Crafts (MPAC) that just to name a few as for Missiles i think the Government Plan is to armed our Navy and Airforce first, The Airforce has already a choice for anti air missiles PYthon and DERby because the Philippine Army is also thinking of buying Israeli SPYDER Air Defense Missile System both missiles are being use in said system but this is still under negotiations with Israel no news so again comrade money for us is not so easy besides corruption and having commies within congress who very anti military heck they even question the current law modernization law ya i know very stupid indeed but beside form those traitors we have money priorities for poverty elimination projects and health and education projects and very long line from start to finish so again we can't change over night. It Takes a lot of time to make things happen and get things moving.

 

[no smoking]

USA is in a bad shape with one endless war that is taking a toll of it and the rest of the world and it won't enter another especially when the confrontation will be with China and that too over you.

The only way you can take on a threat even if it is impossible to defeat, is to show that you will not take it lying down.

And for that, you need some serious firepower from the air.

Also, you will need some good surface-to-ship missiles and SAMs so that you can have coastal batteries of these all across your islands in case you see an impending invasion from the sea and air.

Firstly, with 2.9 billions defence budget, I really don't think that Philippines can afford what you listed. It would be highly likely that they will bankcrupt themselves even before Chinese come!
Secondly, Chinese strategy is "pushing" and "pushing" until Philippines shoot first. Philippines know that, so their counter measure is "staying there and stick to it" no matter how hard Chinese push.
So, Philipines are playing an "propaganda war"--mark themselves as the victim of Chinese bully. These weapons are useless to them unless they can bring a victory without the help of US navy.

 

[Tshering22]

Firstly, with 2.9 billions defence budget, I really don't think that Philippines can afford what you listed. It would be highly likely that they will bankcrupt themselves even before Chinese come!

It doesn't have to be a gun for gun policy. But Philippines has to modernize enough to at least be able to manage and supply logistics to its forward combat zones in case of a war.

Their air force and military aviation is very far behind even against local and regional threats let alone you lot.

Remember, even you were once only a fraction of US defence budget and yet you stood against them.

Secondly, Chinese strategy is "pushing" and "pushing" until Philippines shoot first. Philippines know that, so their counter measure is "staying there and stick to it" no matter how hard Chinese push.

So, Philipines are playing an "propaganda war"--mark themselves as the victim of Chinese bully. These weapons are useless to them unless they can bring a victory without the help of US navy.

You somehow seem to be proud of provoking a conflict around the region. Conflict is never easy. While it is easier for us to discuss on the forum here, it is the soldier and his family that has to bear the brunt. If it comes down to an all out war, there will also be a small but significant damage to PLAN which means waste of precious lives on both sides.

If it is something you are willing to pay off for, then there is another element; your FDI will seal up during the conflict no matter how small. Foreign investors will freeze everything in your country till the war is over which means that you will be on a no-earning-full-spending mode even if it is for a short time. Not to mention that your country will needlessly ratchet up fears all across eastern Asia among your immediate eastern neighbour and antagonize a lot of other countries in the region, even if you win a conflict with Philippines.

Picture this; it is the same as US needling you all the time in your waters. How would you feel?

What when other countries' troops came into your territory, stayed there for long and then went back?

See, this is not strategy; this is needling into a conflict.

As for the first shot, Filipinos have already shot your fishermen in their waters.

Apologies are only words as is the evidence of US saying sorry after every drone strikes 2 years ago.

Seriously, no one wants a war. You are taking other countries for a needless ride.

In such a scenario, even US doesn't have to spread any propaganda. You are simply confirming what the US is only saying till now; sabre rattling through poking into others' territories.

 

[Zero_Wing]

It doesn't have to be a gun for gun policy. But Philippines has to modernize enough to at least be able to manage and supply logistics to its forward combat zones in case of a war.

Their air force and military aviation is very far behind even against local and regional threats let alone you lot.

Remember, even you were once only a fraction of US defence budget and yet you stood against them.



You somehow seem to be proud of provoking a conflict around the region. Conflict is never easy. While it is easier for us to discuss on the forum here, it is the soldier and his family that has to bear the brunt. If it comes down to an all out war, there will also be a small but significant damage to PLAN which means waste of precious lives on both sides.


If it is something you are willing to pay off for, then there is another element; your FDI will seal up during the conflict no matter how small. Foreign investors will freeze everything in your country till the war is over which means that you will be on a no-earning-full-spending mode even if it is for a short time. Not to mention that your country will needlessly ratchet up fears all across eastern Asia among your immediate eastern neighbour and antagonize a lot of other countries in the region, even if you win a conflict with Philippines.

Picture this; it is the same as US needling you all the time in your waters. How would you feel?

What when other countries' troops came into your territory, stayed there for long and then went back?

See, this is not strategy; this is needling into a conflict.

As for the first shot, Filipinos have already shot your fishermen in their waters.

Apologies are only words as is the evidence of US saying sorry after every drone strikes 2 years ago.

Seriously, no one wants a war. You are taking other countries for a needless ride.

In such a scenario, even US doesn't have to spread any propaganda. You are simply confirming what the US is only saying till now; sabre rattling through poking into others' territories.

Man i think this what people would call a burn for the chinese imperialist. Making idiotic commitments and making enemies is what they are best at besides ripping people's intellectual property off and other crimes

 

[Tshering22]

Man i think this what people would call a burn for the chinese imperialist. Making idiotic commitments and making enemies is what they are best at besides ripping people's intellectual property off and other crimes

Well that is not the problem now is it?

The problem is, how do you or rather how do you and we solve this needling problem.

If they're dependent on you for something, you can control that. If they're not, then a small, swift incursion into their territory as a response seems to be apt.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Well that is not the problem now is it?

The problem is, how do you or rather how do you and we solve this needling problem.

If they're dependent on you for something, you can control that. If they're not, then a small, swift incursion into their territory as a response seems to be apt.

Philippines seem to placed between a rock & a deep well. No easy choices for them. Hard times lie ahead for everyone in East Asia & South Asia.

In India, GoI has already decided to bend over to whatever extent needed in accommodating the Chines. India has already lost the battle on all fronts even without giving a fight or taking a stand.

I would say to the citizens of neighboring nations, please DO NOT count on India to do anything in face of Chicom aggression. GoI doesn't have the balls to save it own ar*e, something, I believe, is already known too well to the world.